ITT: design your perfect utopistic society. The goal is to maximize human happiness. The rules: you have infinite resources, use any land you want and any technology that existed so far. Use your imagination and don't think about how impossible it would be to create it.
Here is my pitch: >keep modern medicine >keep modern transportation for convenience and so that people can have the opportunity to travel and fulfill their curiousity >keep most of modern technology, including information tech and the internet BUT >no cities, instead have tribe-sized communities because that's what humans were evolved to live in >'tribes' live separately but have contact, have common events (like sporting events) and can intermarry >allow people to leave but don't let outsiders join unless they gain the trust of the tribe first >live close to nature, somewhere where they have abundant wildlife, have the ability to hunt and gather >but don't make it a necessity, try to minimize the amount of work people have to do with modern technology, distribute such produced goods evenly in a communal fashion
Basically, imagine it like a camping trip where you would often fish and hunt to test yourself but can always retreat to your cabin and have modern food. Instead of a cabin though imagine a village with modern conveniences.
Some other points: >have a strong tribal culture with community rituals to give life a structure >have a religion, maybe something similar to Buddhism as that deals the most with contentedness and eliminating suffering >legalize psychedelics >monogamous families
Aaron Kelly
It has to be socialist, and all the children are sent to boarding schools so they can be indoctrinated with thoughts of national pride. The next generation would, therefore, be BUGMEN!
This would discount the republicans/conservatives ofcourse.
I would like to see a conservative "utopian" society. Best I could think of is returning to the "good" old times, like the pre-emancipation days where we could own slaves and practice own religion and prosecute people for witchcrafts.
Alexander Murphy
Take corporatism to the max, run nation like a company, citizens are cogs in the great machine. Every citizen is a valuable resource and is taken care of, the state provides all services in exchange for the work done by all citizens. Those that do not work get sent to reeducation camps.
Dominic Wright
Japan with strong growing economy.
Isaac Gomez
>citizens are cogs in the great machine >Every citizen is a valuable resource and is taken care of >run nation like a company
If you can't see how retarded you sound than its already a loss cause
Gabriel Wood
either youre 5 or just plain shit bait
John Walker
>citizens are cogs in the great machine
You need to look up what alienation is - it's a really shitty thing for the human psyche to feel like a part in a giant unfeeling machine instead of a unique individual in a community.
Carter Long
Didn't Japan had like the highest suicide rate when they had a fast growing economy?
Jaxon Cook
>any technology that existed so far Dammit. I wanted to use some kind of technology to genetically engineer a new breed of human free from egocentrism and who prioritize the general interest above all else, once that's done, instaure communism.
Mason Ward
>ike the pre-emancipation days where we could own slaves and practice own religion and prosecute people for witchcrafts
David Howard
A Republic with strong checks and balances where only the most educated, high IQ taxpayers can vote.
Basically a 19th century limited democracy adapted to present conditions.
Universal suffrage was a mistake. Allowing the unwashed masses to vote is like putting a cat to guard a pot of cream. Sooner or later the masses realize they can simply vote themselves free stuff from the treasury and the country starts pilling up debts and then goes bankrupt.
Aristotle was right. A polity (immune to socialism and populism) will always be superior to a full blown democracy.
Thomas Watson
There is literally nothing wrong with populism, be it left or right wing. Fucking elitist shill.
Robert Walker
In my ideal society, collectivists like you would be shot without a trial. Fascist, Commies, everyone is going get necked.
John Cooper
Every populist is an opportunist nigger who only makes things worse for everyone in the long run so that he can score some cheap political points in his lifetime.
Ian Rogers
There is plenty wrong, you need to learn the definitions.
Populism or demagoguery was defined by Aristotle as the corrupted form of a Republic.
In a Republic, citizens vote for leaders who rule in their stead, but their power is limited by strong institutions and proper checks and balances, there are boundaries that leaders cannot overstep, and individual rights are protected. The leader rules with foresight, priorizing the common good of the country over what is popular or easy.
Under a populist regime or demagoguery, the citizens vote for a leader, but this proper system of checks and balances does not exist, power is unchecked, and individual rights of minorities (like those of the opposition who voted for the other guy) are not properly protected. The leader is able to manipulate the frustrated masses by appealing to the lowest common denominator and doing what is popular and easy but may damage the country in the long run. Thus a populist regime always degenerates into a full blown tyranny (Nazi Germany, Venezuela under Maduro), or where there are still elections into a tyranny-by-majority. (Venezuela under Chavez)
Eventually all universal democracies degenerate into demagogueries at some point or another.
Luke Foster
Suicide is Japan's culture.
Luke Perez
Op asked for utopias, not distopias mate.
Jack Jones
Yeah, because our current society with all it's issues it totally like ancient Greece or Rome.
As opposed to elite career politicians? What do you prefer, catering to the people or catering to special interest?
Ian Price
>utopia >collectivism
Chose one and only one, commie scum. Fuck equality, fuck the greater good. Every individual is am minority of one. Fuck you and fuck your tribalism.
Sebastian Reed
>totally like ancient Greece or Rome. It is. Trump is like a modern day Cleon. (Not that Hillary was any better)
Joseph Martinez
>A Republic with strong checks and balances where only the most educated, high IQ taxpayers can vote Why even let people vote? Why not raise a genius child from birth for the job? That way the decisions are made by someone who is specialised for them instead of asking people who are less politically competent.
Juan White
Trump did literally nothing wrong (aside from tomahawking syria once).
Asher Lopez
>hey guys dont you hate collectivists >but if you dont agree with all of my views you should be shot Faggot My ideal world is one where there are many societies in perpetual peace, each with their own ideologies and where citizens are able to go from one to another depending on what they believe in Only things not allowed are things that break down individuality, are theft/murder etc, or not allowing emigration or immigration
Brody Ortiz
Because you need political parties and opposing viewpoints, nobody is perfect or omniscient enough to dictate to others with absolute authority. And nobody is selfless enough either to not abuse this power.
Deliberation is essential to good governance. The problem is when this deliberation is trivialized and politicians just appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Voting should be a privilege to be earned, it's not some universal right to be squandered.
Jaxson Moore
>commie scum WHy would I be a commie? I implied in my previous post that communism was impossible currently why would I advocate for an impossible system?
>fuck the greater good Way to miss the point of this thread. OP literally said: >The goal is to maximize human happiness.
Jayden Cox
You can disagree all you want, but as soon as you go into collectivist Territory you get the rope. Ironically, the biggest threat towards "the greater good" are the people claiming to be fighting for it.
>Only things not allowed are things that break down individuality, are theft/murder etc, or not allowing emigration or immigration Idiot. The rules out everything that isn't somewhere on the left. But I guess that's your agenda anyhow. A free market of societies would only work in a virtual world where all territory has equal resources.
Ayden Rivera
>And nobody is selfless enough either to not abuse this power. Wouldn't that also apply to a group of people? Basically in your system you wish that only an intelligent elite can vote but that same elite could pursue their common interests instead of the country interest/greater good. Isn't it also important to take their levels of empathy into account to give them the privilege to vote?
Dominic Flores
Everone lives in tanks connected to iv's that provide all necessary nutrition and tanks to dispose of waste. 90% of the population at any given time is in one of these machines, having the pleasure centers of their brain directly stimulated with electromagnets to release dopamine and dmt with the amount peaking half way between work periods and slowly winding down to normal as they get closer to their maintenance time. Once every 10 days 10% of the population spends their day maintaining all the machinery and nutrients. Children are raised by volunteers who spend 10 years outside of the tanks teaching them how everything is to be maintained until on their 10th birthday they join the rotation like everypne else. The volunteers gain lifetime tenure and exemption from maintenance duties. The function of the machines and approval of volunteer requests or breeding matches are made by an impartial computer algorithm that only exists to keep all the systems running smoothly without any permanently sober humans. All the citizens have explosive tablets implaanted in the base of their skulls. If anyone does anything to harm the machinery, purposefully or otherwise, thealgorithm causes the tablet explode, killing the person. Those who die naturally have their biomass converted into more base nutrients by the maintainers and then recycled to sustain the others. Any deficiencies of nutrients are supplimented by sweet potatoes grown in indoor greenhouses by volunteers similar to the tachers. After a harvest they get life time tenure. If there's a shortage of nutrients, then the algorithm randomly kills persons without tenure until equilibrium is achieved.
Christian Taylor
>>The goal is to maximize human happiness. Sons eso tse-na!
Jacob Diaz
>Wouldn't that also apply to a group of people? Not if the group is large enough. ~40% of the adult population should do the trick.
>Basically in your system you wish that only an intelligent elite can vote but that same elite could pursue their common interests instead of the country interest/greater good. I am not proposing an "elite", just weeding out those who clearly do NOT deserve the right to vote.
>Isn't it also important to take their levels of empathy into account to give them the privilege to vote? At 40% or so, almost everyone will have families and friends that cannot vote, empathy is assured.
William Phillips
Where does the modern stuff come frome without industry nig?
Dylan Ramirez
Some people are better than others at various things. No task is exempt from this.
Nathaniel Cooper
No doubt, but do you really believe the people in charge got their power by pure merit? Lmao.
Jonathan Reed
I see, but I feel like there will be sooner or later an egalitarian movement from those who cannot vote to get that right. What did you plan to prevent that?
Kayden Williams
Never said that. All I'm saying is that some people are unfit to vote. Spme people are exceptionally good decision makers. That's all.
Wyatt Cox
A rigid Constitution barring this, and a proper education that values obligations to the social body and not just rights.
There would be legal avenues to gain voting rights, like free university education or military service as an alternative route to reward those that would serve their country.
Isaac Perez
when snow falls, every snowflake is different and special yet all together they make the cool crunchy malleable snow that you make snowmen out of!
Lincoln Edwards
>military service as an alternative route to reward those that would serve their country. I understand that you wish to reward those that risked their life for the others but is it really safe to let, people who are not competent enough (politically speaking), the privilege to vote? I feel like it would be more efficient to find another way to reward them.
Lincoln Phillips
can't have this with niggers
Julian Sullivan
>is it really safe to let, people who are not competent enough (politically speaking), the privilege to vote? They would be to few to have a negative impact. Military veterans and former servicemen are not dime a dozen
In this case, in the interest of fairness and to provide a steam valve to release pressure for those disfranchised an exception can be made.
