Was there ever any objectivly more evil ideology than nazism?

>Objectively
>Evil

not really, communism seeks a stateless and classless society

the question has a false premise

No.

That was serious as a fucking heart attack. Communism is magnitudes fucking worse than nazism. Its own existence effects institutions like rot. Fuck all communists.

>religious fundamentalism in general is responsible for the worst wars in human history
Lol no.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll#Wars_and_armed_conflicts_whose_highest_estimated_casualties_are_1.2C000.2C000_or_more

The only big religious wars on that list is the reconquista(justified), and the clusterfuck of the 30 years war.

Going purely by bodycount, communists take the cake. And they weren’t religious.

Then please elaborate how ideology of communism is more evil than ideology if nazism

How is wanting to preserve your race evil?

Communism especially state enforced communism certainly has a much higher body count than fascism does, but I think that's more of an implementation issue than the ideology itself being inherently evil.

I guess it kind of depends on what your definition of evil is.

I vote communism, but I see the other side of the debate as pretty much equally valid.

Thats not the evil part. The evil part is killing every other race

>killing every other race
Source

Basically everything else

which is impossible to do without eliminating individuality

>he wasn't including the Huguenot Wars, Wars of Islamic Conquest, never-ending Hindu-Muslim Wars, or Conquest of the Americas (carried out under the partial pretext of spreading Catholicism).

Not to mention if you add up all of the European War of Religion post-reformation, the deathtoll is comparable to the First World War (10,000,000+).

Well duh, they had access to industrial methods of repression and mass slaughter. The Knights Templar and Muhammad didn't.

WRONG
Proof: Hunter-Gatherers

Bodycount? Communism
Most senseless waste of human life? Its a toss up between communism and the aztec world view.

It always ends up failing and killing a huge part of it's own population and it sounds nice to fucking idiots who then try to implement it again. Yes, it is more evil.

Communism was a humanitarian ideology that went to shit. Nazism is evil in its ideas.

Communism takes all the shitty parts of liberalism and all the shitty parts of Fascism and just fucks everyone over and kills a few hundred million along the way through its sheer incompetence.

>I don't want individual freedom and I also don't like not being discriminated to enforce an arbitrary anti-homogeneity policy
>I also hate food

>National Socialism
>Evil

Pick one

To answer your question, Zionism.

I was anti-Nazi until I realized whites actually need it to survive because every other group on the planet won't let self-hate stop them from a combination of nationalism and socialist policies.

The concept of National socialism isn't even that evil of a concept. It's built upon realities of race and genetics. It asserts that genetics is responsible for attitude, aptitude, personality, capability and gives a people the unique qualities that makes that people special. Genetics, and thus race, is the seed that the culture flourishes from like a flower. National socialism isn't even outright genocidal. It promotes the idea that all people should have their own nation within which they are free to exist and to flourish as they see fit, free of influence from other peoples. That means there ought to be a German state for Germans, an English state for the English, a Jewish state for the Jews, an Arab state for the arabs, a black state for blacks, a white state for white, etc. That is what national socialism is in its very basic concept.

Always laughted on that soviet bullshit. Race is defined by skull, not by hair colour or build.

You mean collectivism, you turbo-tard?
Nazism was collectivist too, you dumb motherfucker

>Nazis believed that all races are in a permanent evolutionary struggle for survival, and only the strongest race will survive. All treaties and alliances can be only temporary, in the end, every race is doomed to fight for living space
this is the truth of nature though, we are a tribal species. You just sound a sophomoric faggot who knows fuck all about national socialism outside of propaganda you've digested.

Does it fuck, wahabism is 10x worse than nazism.

>this is the truth of nature though
no its not, there is no natural selection of human races

>National socialism isn't even outright genocidal. It promotes the idea that all people should have their own nation within which they are free to exist and to flourish as they see fit
Yes, it is genocidal. And no, it doesn't promote that idea. Read mein kampf.

Wat, how communism sounds in it's own propaganda and the reality of it are 2 very different things. Communism results in collectivism at the hands of a tyrant with centralized power that eventually leads to paranoia and collapse.

Wrong, communism was a naive idoelogy championed by disingenous tyrants who saw it's potential for accumulating total power over the masses, nazism has many ideas simply based on darwinism and many more that are great ideas, the only real fault it had is government control of all land and business. Homogeneous societies are much better to.

>Read mein kampf.
I have, it's not genocidal. Hitlers second book and table talk are more essential reads imo.

Egalitarianism

there is if you remove the infra structure of interference that seeks to control and prevent aspects of human nature from surfacing.

>Wrong, communism was a naive idoelogy championed by disingenous tyrants
Doesn't contradict what I said

>nazism has many ideas simply based on darwinism and many more that are great ideas, the only real fault it had is government control of all land and business. Homogeneous societies are much better to.
Social darwinism is a pseudoscience, as is the rest of the retarded shit nazis believed. Attacking others while defending totalitarian genocidal ideologies only strengthens your opponents.

>Read Mein Kampf
>Never read Mein Kampf by himself.

>Attacking others while defending totalitarian genocidal ideologies only strengthens your opponents.
forget the nazis i'm more interested by the retarded shit you believe.

I think he misheard that, she obviously meant a blacker man. That kid is pretty mixed in the first place, so dad was probably mulatto himself.

>I have, it's not genocidal.
You're not a very good reader then.
>And the end will be that such a people will some day be deprived of its existence on this earth; for man can defy the eternal laws of the will to conservation for a certain time, but sooner or later vengeance comes. A stronger race will drive out the weak, for the vital urge in its ultimate form will, time and again, burst all the absurd fetters of the so-called humanity of individuals, in order to replace it by the humanity of Nature which destroys the weak to give his place to the strong.
>today only those races are stricken with such suffering which no longer possess the force and strength to secure for themselves the necessary territories in this world. For as matters stand there are at the present time on this earth immense areas of unusued soil, only waiting for the men to till them. But it is equally true that Nature as such has not reserved this soil for the future possession of any particular nation or race; on the contrary, this soil exists for the people which possesses the force to take it
>When a people limits itself to internal colonization because other races are clinging fast to greater and greater surfaces of this earth, it will be forced to have recourse to self-limitation at a time when the other peoples are still continuing to increase. (...) Then, though in a perhaps very distant future, there will be but two possibilities either the world will be governed according to the ideas of our modern democracy, and then the weight of any decision will result in favor of the numerically stronger races, or the world will be dominated in accordance with the laws of the natural order of force, and then it is the peoples of brutal will who will conquer, and consequently once again not the nation of selfrestriction.

Elaborate.

Last I checked, nobody was rounding up people into camps for Egalitarianism.

Then you have a selection for intelligence, height, physical abilities, agressivness, cooperation (you still have that selection today, due to sexual selection), but not for races

This. Nothing else has killed more people.

this guy was a 6-time recidivist violent criminal.

why.... why keep people like that alive and on the streets?

why liberals? do you really believe in that quasi-christian "everyone is good deep down!" crap?

Because their religion unironically teaches them any instinctual feeling (asides from hedonistic sexual practices) is bad.

Want to execute child murderers? That's bad. That's what cavemen did. We're _better_ than that.

etc.

I don't know how to explain it other than that, when I was a liberal there was this sort of undercurrent that what you feel deep inside of yourself on an instinctual level is bad and wrong, and that it needs to be stymied, and that this is the essence of "civilization". But it isn't. It's just the essence of sublimated slave morality.

There's also an overabundance of empathy, e.g. the perennial "how would you like it if YOU were on death row?" question. But this misses the point, it doesn't matter what I or you would think of either of us being executed, it doesn't change the objective goodness of liquidating sociopathically violent people. My morality isn't contingent upon "is it personally good for me at all times and all hypothetical outcomes?"

communism is anti white

Gommunism is unironically the worst ideology ever used to make policy. Ever.

>there is no sexual preference for race
lmao

I'd say (political) fundamentalist islam.

>Yes, it is more evil.
Yeah no that's not what evil is, by evil he means something inside the ideology that is evil. You can't even attribute these deaths to communism as communism is an impossible state for a human society and thus cannot exist.

/thread

>when I was a liberal
Care to tell us what liberalism has to do with morals?

At least Islam allow you to convert to escape the higher taxes and possible persecutions.
You can't convert to aryan in the nazi society.

>Care to tell me what a political system based on ethical axiom has to do with morals?

Don't be stupid. Liberalism is literally based around two ethical axioms: Agency/Individual liberty as moral good and equality as moral good.

I no longer believe in either and I genuinely believe, bona fide, that these concepts are evil and have caused a lot of suffering in the world.

Assuming an Aryan society existed only in Europe, you could, you know, go back to where you came from?

>go back to where you came from?
Something also allowed by an Islamic fundamentalist society. My point is that the Islamic society offers you more choices to avoid oppression that's it.

>Does it fuck, wahabism is 10x worse than nazism.

Wahhabism is good for Arabs. A lot of people here fail to understand the moral decay in the final years of the Abbasid Caliphate was one of the reasons that Islam is so hardcore and strict.

That said they're inferior to white people because they're a degraded variant of the Aryan race, with a few notable exceptions (some Levantines for example, who aren't technically Arabs anyway) aside.

>Something also allowed by an Islamic fundamentalist society.

I'd argue that NatSoc/Fascism don't necessarily mean military expansionism, whereas Islamic Fundamentalism is quite literally based around the idea of world conquest (dar al harb/dar al islam).

>political system based on ethical axiom has to do with morals
Pretty sure liberalism is only an economical system, not a political one.

Are you a Marxist or something? People like Locke and Mill weren't solely concerned with economic liberty.

I'd say Communism is worse, but not more evil. Can't think of a more evil ideology than Nazism desu.

>I'd argue that NatSoc/Fascism don't necessarily mean military expansionism
I'm honestly curious how would you argue that. From what I remember the NatSoc system in Germany was unsustainable and forced them to expand their territory in order to acquire the needed ressources under the pretense of "vital space". Also Italy wished to conquer the ex-roman territories and more.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

>From what I remember the NatSoc system in Germany was unsustainable

That's a debated topic (whether or not the Schacht economy was overheating to the point of bust or just downturn).

>the pretense of "vital space"

I think lebensraum just makes sense, depoliticize it for a moment and look at the concept of like... The Greek migrations in antiquity, it's basically the same concept. The search for arable land to ensure a more comfortable existence.

I actually think liberalism is more evil than communism, at least MLism in practice actually accepted the duality of human nature, in that the SU/PRC etc would execute violent criminals and so on, protect their borders and do all that basic stuff.

Liberalism is just... an abstraction from reality completely fueled by material comfort.

Stay cucked by your "racial purity" fetishism while I bang qt's from any ethnic group on the planet since I don't limit my pursuit of sex, pleasure and social connection with false, arbitrary, debunked 19th century, cranium-inspection tier pseudoscientific notions of "Aryan superiority" and "social Darwinism" and "race is a biological reality like /pol/ told me, not a European/Western elite colonialist-imposed fake social construct used as a tool to divide and conquer of the wage plebs" and "race-mixing is degenerate" and "degeneracy is real and not another fake elite-imposed concept".

Pic related: it's you in the Cuck Shed.

You have to go back.

The Big Boys are talking here.

communism might seem worse than nazism on a surface level (they're both terrible) but imo I see nazism as much more evil because in the single instance it happened, in a span of 12 years, the NDSAP started a world war and had multiple genocides/conflicted that ended with a death toll of nearly 20 million people. They also had several destructive plans like the hunger plan where they wanted to starve most of the eastern European/Slavic population (80 million) to make room for expanding Germans. If Nazi Germany was allowed to exist, the death toll of the regime would have probably been as high or higher than Mao. That's just deaths, they probably would have attempted to sterilize any possible survivors too

Egalitarianism is worse, at least NatSoc actually could feasibly build a strong society, liberal democracy just takes what was built and degrades the capital stock and population quality over time, all the while taking the credit for technological achievement.

I actually agree with you. Not the user you were responding to but I'm a racial nationalist who has had sex with non-white women, it annoys me when /pol/ do this cock-blocking thing to other white men.

Racially nationalistic non-white men still desire our white women, so why shouldn't we also fuck their women?

In the long run religions are far more destructive (and have proven to be), they offer every reason to engage conflicts. They are actually very similar to nazism, but even worse because nazism is based on concrete elements (real people), while religions are based on surnatural elements (sky daddies), which fundamentally allows madness (see how fundamentalists behave...).

But it was still an agressive military expansion which was the point I was trying to make.

Something as universal and omnipresent throughout all of history as religion evidently confers some sort of group and individual level evolutionary advantage, don't be a fool.

Read Taleb: Religion isn't about faith, it's about choice.

You are generalizing religions based on the expanionistic natures of Islam and Christianity. Other religions like paganism, Judaism, Shinto, Hindu, Confucianism etc aren't as destructive because they tend to keep to their own instead of expanding to countries that don't want it and then Africa when the rest of the relevant world space is filled up

Judaism is an ethnoreligion, they don't proselytize not out of some humanistic concern for others but because it's essentially (in parts) a creed of racial superiority.

Shintoism is also an ethnoreligion, but without the racial supremacism.

Confucianism is mostly just political philosophy, Chinese worshipping their ancestors 2000 years ago probably didn't know anything about a "Confucius", for them ancestor worship was detached from this philosopher-guy.

Hindooism is a vile religion.

No, no you don't agree with me.
I'm not a "racial nationalist".
First: race is not real.
Second: I'm not a nationalist.
Both "race" and "nation" and especially "racial nationalism" are tools of the rich banker-capitalist-colonialist Western elites and their colonial proxies (like the Zionist state in occupied Palestine) to justify wars for profits, mass poverty and starvation, deliberate poisoning and destruction of environment particularly in Asia/Africa/Latin America, debt, exploitation, genocide, eugenics and sectarian/tribalist division in order to keep themselves fat and swimming in mineral and oil and industrial and land wealth while fucking the rest of us wage plebs over for as long as they possibly can riding that fat, gluttonous gravy train off of our backs and keeping us wageplebs at each others throats over these "racial"/"nationalist"/sectarian divisions instead of uniting to stop the banker/capitalist-industrialist/colonialist World Order plot and live in peace and harmony with each other, procuring the unfathomable bounty of the Earth to fulfill and exceed the needs and recreation and happiness of all of humanity for only a minuscule fraction of the material cost of what the World Order is currently investing into wars and weapons and famine for profits.

No thank you.

I enjoy being awoken to the truth.

I enjoy not being manipulated, not being brainwashed, not going off to risk life-and-limb to fight wars to murder families for elites to further maximize their profits and not being false-flag attack frightened into conformity with the Western fascist world order scheme of colonialism and genocidal, ecocidal fuckery.

Stay cucked though, you gullible little "racial nationalist".

You're nothing but a World Order tool.

youtube.com/watch?v=Kbbxwer_Pc8

youtube.com/watch?v=La4Ylz3TDuA

>Both "race" and "nation" and especially "racial nationalism" are tools of the rich banker-capitalist-colonialist Western elites and their colonial proxies

Imagine actually believing this. Imagine actually believing that Goldman Sachs and IBM support white nationalism. Imagine the level of delusion required to believe that corporate elites who earnestly plow hundreds of millions into lobbying for ever-looser immigration laws, diversity schemes and tranny pride days are somehow secretly crypto-nazis.

"Radicals for the establishment" indeed. I bet Mark Zuckerberg is kicking himself over you standing up to him by supporting open borders and fag marriage, LOL.

>humanity

Socially speaking, there is no "humanity". Nobody buys into the notion of being "human first and [my race/religion] second", with the exception of.... a few white liberals.

Funny that.

>I enjoy being awoken to the truth.
>Posting Bill Hicks videos

I'm genuinely confused as to whether you're trolling him or whether you're just underage.

>but not for races
Why don't all humans look the same, then

I'll respond for them: Because those divergent differences are cosmetic (skin color), but non-cosmetic differences take longer to evolve over time.

Stirnerism / Egoism
Socialism
Communism
Capitalism

The NSDAP doesn't come close.

Instead it made the existence or non-existence of death camps irrelevant by destroying anything meaningful in life.

So all that matters is suffering and pleasure? Wouldn't the end goal of your ideology be to exterminate humanity with nuclear weapons then? That's the only way for pleasure to come close to suffering. I don't see why hedonists don't kill themselves to reduce pain.

>muh spooks
I'd rather the population toil and suffer for a purpose than be happy in some dystopian "harmony". Utopia should be desired by rodents, not humans.

>Capitalism

>Imagine actually believing that Goldman Sachs and IBM support white nationalism
No need to "imagine" or "believe" anything. Nazis were a World Order elite project. This is hard, cold fact. Material reality.

consortiumnews.com/2013/06/06/how-wall-st-bailed-out-the-nazis/

huffingtonpost.com/edwin-black/ibm-holocaust_b_1301691.html

>"Radicals for the establishment" indeed.
>Mark Zuckerberg...
Mark Zuckerberg can eat shit. He's kicking out native Hawai'ians from the lands they have lived on for many centuries. He's a colonialist occupier like the white/European colonizers on the Native Nations of America and in Africa and Asia, the Nazi colonizer in East Europe and the Zionist colonizers in Palestine. His facebook is FedBook, a propaganda brainwashing and spying tool of the Western colonialist/fascist/capitalist-industrialist elite.

theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/23/mark-zuckerberg-hawaii-land-lawsuits-kauai-estate

independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-using-people-s-phones-to-listen-in-on-what-they-re-saying-claims-professor-a7057526.html

extremetech.com/extreme/245014-meet-sneaky-facebook-powered-propaganda-ai-might-just-know-better-know

>calling me establishment
The fascist/capitalist-industrialist/colonialist elite establishment thrives off war and racist/national/sectarian divisions.

You promote this "racial nationalism" so you are objectively a World Order/establishment tool.

I am not.

>Socially speaking, there is no "humanity".
Yes, there is. You either don't get out much or you profit off the current World Order so you have a material interest in shilling for and perpetuating this shitty, abusive system (whether because you have your own stock portfolios/investments or you're paid a fat salary by those elites to promote them and cover up their crimes OR you're just supremely gullible and easily brainwashed in which case: "LeL, he does it for free!").

Light skin has an evolutionary advantage in certain areas, but what about skull shape, bone density etc.

>The fascist/capitalist-industrialist/colonialist elite establishment thrives off war and racist/national/sectarian divisions.
>world leaders, bankers and corporatists supporting division by nations or anything approaching nationalism
what a fucking meme you are

disregard this post, from reading your other posts you're clearly shitposting

Enjoy staying blue-pilled, cuck.

What matters is defeating the fascist/capitalist-industrialist/colonialist/imperialist World Order project and establishing peace and harmony and unity and education and prosperity and happiness among all and for all lands and all peoples to share of and partake of the bounty of the Earth. As Bill Hicks said: "Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.”

>Wouldn't the end goal of your ideology be to exterminate humanity with nuclear weapons then?
No, not at all. I have already described the end goal of my ideology above.

Global depopulation or "exterminate humanity" as you call it is a fascist/capitalist-industrialist Eugenics World Order Rockefeller-Trilateral-NATO-Pentagon-Wall Street-London-Trump-Tillerson etc project.
Nuclear weapons and the use of nuclear weapons against civilians in the nuclear bombings of Japan and the nuclear testing of Marshall Islands and the Native Navajo and Four Corners nations is also a World Order project.
Neither Global De-Population nor Global Nuclear Holocaust would be pleasurable by any stretch of the imagination except to the elites who can ride either scenario out in their mega-bunkers and profit off the situation to implement their total Global One World Fascist State.

>I'd rather the population toil and suffer for a purpose
For which purpose? To keep the fat profits flowing to the elite? Nope, fuck off.

>I'd rather not have a dystopian "harmony"
>Utopia should not be desired by humans
So you claim dystopia is bad, then immediately after claim that utopia is bad. LOL, strong logic. "Running out of breath and dying is bad, but breathing and doing cardio to improve lung capacity should not be desired." - literally (you).

>As Bill Hicks said:

>no argument
>le laughing face
Into the trash it goes. Veeky Forums is a place for discussion. If you're just looking for upboats, >>>/reddit/ is the perfect place for you.

>Objective evil
You asked and you got.

Good and evil are subjective. Morality depends on the importance one places on something, and is heavily socially dependent.
A psychopath, for example, has a physiological absence of empathy, but still "obeys" the laws; morality is vestigial to them; they only use it to tolerate the world so they can live longer in the world; they're completely absent of guilt, but guilt exists as a vestigial term in their vocabulary, not knowing how it feels, but being able to react and mimic a guilty person for the sake of social cohesion.

Nazism was an ethic. People coerced under the nazi ethic lived according to the law, because they were forced to; but because it was "normal", that it also became moral.

In my opinion, the single greatest "evil" ethic is capitalism, because it is the father of ethics. We don't need a system of knowledge or law to know what is good or evil; because frankly, law inherently absolves us of needing a morality.

When you keep your child fenced in the yard, you don't need to teach him about road safety. The fence acts as a law, and it absolves the child the necessity to know about road safety. Take away the fence, and the child will need to learn about road safety; without the law, he would have to incorporate a learned value.

The most objectively evil ideology could be defined as one that doesn't let us grow to be fully moral; in that case, I would consider statism and money to be the most evil ideologies; they create the laws that absolve us of needing value; they degenerate us.

Except capitalism.

Utopia and dystopia are the same thing

World Order destroyed literally destroyed Yugoslavia through national/ethnic divide-and-conquer proxy war combined with NATO bombing. Same in Iraq post-2003 invasion. Same in breakup of Soviet Union into different nations to allow Western puppet oligarchs to siphon off the wealth created by the work of the people and that belonged to the people. Same in backing Japanese fascist/nationalist re-militarization and South Korean fascist ruling military/corporate elite to accelerate and maximize profit for US Navy presence in Asia-Pacific. Same in backing Rwandan and Ugandan national aggression against Democratic Republic of the Congo. Same in backing South Sudan national division to split the Sudan and siphon the oil wealth of South Sudan to the Western capitalist elite. Same in backing nationalist secession groups that seek to divide up the Islamic Republic of Iran. Same in backing Kurd nationalism in north Syria and Iraq to split up those lands and weaken them and profit off their resources for the Western colonialist predator. Same with the World Order support for the Zionist colonialist state of "Israel", which is the prime example of a "racial nationalist" state committing genocide and robbing the land of Palestine and Palestinian people for World Order profit and benefit. Same as World Order backing Nazi/white "racial nationalist" thugs in USA to do their bidding and do their dirty work. Same as USA/Western World Order elite setting national division among countries in Latin America to set these countries (such as Brazil, Mexico, Argentina etc) against Venezuela for the profit of the Western world order colonialist predator that seeks full control of Venezuela's oil reserves (the largest on the planet) and natural resources for profit. Same as the World Order seeking to build wall and hyper-militarize US-Mexico colonialist-imposed border and deport Mexican people from the US Southwest, which they are native to just as the Native Nations.

>Utopia and dystopia are the same thing.
Eating and starving is the same thing!
Breathing and not breathing is the same thing!
Peace and war is the same thing!
Reading books and watching TV is the same thing!
Wealth and poverty is the same thing!
Thinking and brainwashed following of "racial nationalist" cults is the same thing.

LOL.

Stay twisting yourself in knots trying to make anything you say sound even a tiny bit logical.

>which they are native to just as the Native Nations.
>Mexican mestizos
>Natives

Pick one, fantasist.

>Enjoy staying blue-pilled, cuck.

Virtually every single significant western blue-chip company supports neo-liberal internationalism, weakening borders, weakening capital controls, weakening national allegiances.

Your hypothesis fails at its first hurdle. Why do people support European racial nationalism overwhelmingly support de facto open borders and zero capital controls?