The Mafia

mafia moved to Nevada and Cuba

>Where'd they go?
New Vegas

Plenty of Families, not just Italian, had police, politicians, and Judges on their bank roll well into the 70's. The goddamn Lufthansa heist went down in 78'.

100% real, we just never knew the secret behind it until Joe Valachi ratted them out.
youtube.com/watch?v=F3EpMhAf2gc

>That and Italian-American communities went from being dirt poor to indistinguishable from regular white people, which dried up the supply of tough, desperate, amoral people.

This more than anything is what destroys organized crime in a country.

An interesting note is that the romanticism and all that shit was invented by The Godfather. Prior to that the mafia were literally just thugs even in appearance. But the Godfather portraying them as classy made the irl mobsters want to copy that image.

Jews were notoriously tough, having been hunted their entire life by barbaric Cossacks. Dutch Schultz was Jewish. So was Dillinget IIRC.

They also were for most of their history despite what the "rich banker jew" stereotype says, absolutely dirt poor.

Can't carry a lot of shit with you when a horseback savage with a scimitar is hunting you down. But yeah, dirt poor. Persecution does that to you.

Dutch Schultz was a German Jew. He never got hunted by Cossacks.

I know that, point is, Jews are/were tough.

>Italians of the 1940s were the equivalent of niggers today

No they aren't. They were forced by their circumstances to become amoral scumbags who did extremely questionable things to earn a living.

Get out pastagrandpa, russkie mafiya is the new hotness

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>regular white people
In the UK we still have lots of white people in organized crime especially in cities like Manchester,Liverpool and Glasgow why isnt it still a thing in the US?

> making money off of gambling, prostitution, loan sharking, protection rackets bootlegging, theft

I’m thinking modern American organized crime’s primary and essentially only money maker nowadays, is illegal drugs, with all the rest being just minor pocket change.

Gambling - every state has lottery and casinos today.
Prostitution - escorts are running their own business now via the Internet.
Loan sharking - you can lease a car for a $50 per month.
Protection - McDonalds, WalMart and major corporations that own almost everything don’t pay protection.
Bootlegging - lol, any Joe Blow can become a legal micro-brewer, vintner or distiller.
Labor unions - they’re rarer then hens teeth nowadays.
Theft - ok, there’s that.

Mafia used to run low level illegal lotteries too, they're actually still a thing in poor immigrant ethno neighborhoods.

Lol not even at all.

The word "Mafia" started to show up in 1865 near Palermo, Sicily. At the time, and for a long period before, this part of Sicily was notorious for being a very tough place due to the lack of Italian government presence. So lots of crime, political corruption, you name it. Eventually, a city mayor proclaimed himself as a "Mafioso" which was known as the leader of a criminal family to thunderous applause of the people and the frustrations of the liberal Italian Government.

During the numerous market crashes in the various world powers from the 1870s-1890s, Italy would be hit particularly hard especially in the south due to their lack of education, civics and lack of industrialized workers and factories. A shit load of Italians left for work in America during these economic crises to send money back to their families and with most being from the south and Sicily, it was a matter of time before the families could established themselves.

No it wasn't. The 20s and 30s was when the mafia rose to prominence throughout america but its peak was in the 60-70s.

> Mafia used to run low level illegal lotteries too,

Yeah, but not since the late 60s when state lottos started being adopted.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotteries_by_country

> they're actually still a thing in poor immigrant ethno neighborhoods.

With casinos and lotto everywhere, I doubt it’s much of a thing with immigrants nowadays.

It is, it's just not as prevalent as it was.

Numbers games are still a thing, immigrants play it a lot because the odds are perceived as better. People still get hauled in on numbers charges. Also there is still a small niche market for underground gambling dens and poker games in general even though legal casinos are becoming more prevalent, especially in immigrant Chinese communities.

>its peak was in the 60-70s.

Absolute nonsense, organized crime in the U.S. was a minor ethnic issue prior to Prohibition, where it exploded from 1920 to 1933 but was greatly reduced by repeal and by the 1960s, Kennedy got the FedGov to crack down, culminating with the RICO Act in 1970.

The Mob is pretty small today, though it makes a lot of money thru drugs.

Why didn't the italians make a mafia in Germany like they do in the USA?

Lots of italians came and now they just cook Spaghetti and pretend to still speak italian.

iirc according to the FBI the majority of illicit gambling, bookmaking and placement of slot machines is still controlled by them.

I think operation HEAT in Jersey a few years ago processed something like 2 billion dollars in bets within a year.

Running numbers is still a big thing in Italian American communities. Usually it's illegal sports gambling. Fuck in my town you can ask your bookie for a bet on peewee football.

I should add that I live within spitting distance of Atlantic City too. So it's not like there's a lack of legal gambling options.

Yeah no, in terms of membership and influence the 1960s were the golden years. Prohibition just enabled them to grow in power. It was also during that time and after that they began to dominate gambling, narcotics, labor racketeering, and so on.

The big fall happened in the 80s and 90s when the feds really began to make use of the RICO act, as well as demographic changes happening in the cities that made the mafia less attractive to young Italians.

They've been a shell since then.

>2 billion dollars in bets within a year.

Law enforcement wildly over-inflate the numbers to justify their budgets.

> Yeah no, in terms of membership and influence the 1960s were the golden years. Prohibition just enabled them to grow in power.

Prohibition literally created organized crime in the U.S. which had been penny-ante even in immigrant communities and the 1960s was the beginning of the crack downs by the FBI.

How the fuck did the Russia mafia work during the USSR? I know that right after the Soviets collapsed Russia was run by gangs, but did these always exist or did they pop up as a result of the fall of the USSR?

Jews are far more barbaric than Cossacks ever were.

they did exist in soviet times, every communist country has black markets for food, petrol and consumer goods

These days it's not that hard to figure out, these guys use wire rooms and produce traces, not to mention the amount of loose talk the FBI picks up during their investigations. Plus the 2 billion is not an outrageous figure for illegal gambling which still makes a shitload of money, and actual bookie rates are something like 15-20% which is how much the organization would actually be raking in.

Prohibition is what enabled many different criminal groups, especially the mafia, to rise to prominence via bootlegging. But even around and before that time you still had criminal gangs and oc, look at figures like boss tweed for example. The new York underworld was basically controlled by Irish and Jewish gangs before prohibition, and there were even black numbers kingpins in cities like Detroit and Chicago who were fairly powerful. Although prohibition, the depression and the subsequent crime wave was probably the most significant in recent history.

It wasn't really until the passing of the RICO act that the feds were able to take the mafia and other criminal enterprises, prior to that the bosses were very insulated. And even after that the FBI still struggled.

>How the fuck did the Russia mafia work during the USSR?

Patronage is inherent to communism, so it’s hardly surprising actual mobsters existed and when the USSR collapsed, the former Soviet military-industrial elites officially joined with the mobsters.

congrats, you just described every tough guy ever

One thing I feel is often underappreciated by many is just how powerful the Mafia was, and still is, in Sicily and south Italy. It makes the American Mafia look like small-time crooks.

These guys were literally assassinating judges, prosecutors and politicians whenever they wanted. Giovanni Falcone, possibly the most successful and famous of all the Italian anti-mafia prosecutors, lived under armed guard 24/7, traveled exclusively by armored car and was better protected than even the Italian Prime Minister at the time - and in the end they got to him as well. This isn't ancient history either - they killed Falcone in 1992.

It's reached the point the Italian government has sent the army into Sicily multiple times to deal with them, and each time has failed. For all this to happen in what is ostensibly a 1st world country is incredible.

Is it still Irish/Italian or do Wasps have any Organized crime groups in America?

LCN still mainly active in NYC metro. Control unions, carting, construction.
most everyone went legit in the 80s after the Commission trial and the Pizza Connection cases. smart italian-american kids go to law school instead of making their bones with a family.
4 of the 5 families have been smashed to bits. The genovese, which is lucky luciano's borgata and considered the "ivy league" of crime, still thrives by only recruiting the best and by operating on a need-to-know basis. you only know your boss and direct reports.
but all of the associates and hangers-on have gone legit as being italian-american is no longer a barrier to success (my great-uncle had to change his name to advance in a conservative company in the early 1900s)

Italians in the 40' were the equivilant of the Russians today

What you think of the Mafiya today is what the people in the '40s thought of the Italian Mob

Only those in America and Sicily.

Italians from other regions or that migrated to other countries (Argentina, Canada, Australia, Brazil) tended to make very good immigrants.

>Prohibition literally created organized crime in the U.S.
please stop your hyperbole, this is simply false

it sounds like a state within a state

precisely it appeared during times of anarchy in Sicily and Corsica to take over state functions

>Is it still Irish/Italian or do Wasps have any Organized crime groups in America?

>>Prohibition literally created organized crime in the U.S.
>please stop your hyperbole, this is simply false

"Organized" crime was penny-ante street gangs and wholly localized prior to Prohibition, which created a multi-state national crime structure that exists to this day.

>The Mob is pretty small today, though it makes a lot of money thru drugs.
I think that's more of the actual Italians like the Ndrangheta than the actual mob families

>Italy
>1st world
Lel no

AB probably, but they're middle man for Mexican cartels and are a prison gang. They're also mutts who accept anyone who's white