Why didn't he ally with the U.S. in the war of 1812?

Why didn't he ally with the U.S. in the war of 1812?

They could have helped Napoleon defeat Britain.

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>They could have helped Napoleon defeat Britain.

How so?
America tried its outmost against Britain in 1812 and they just slitghly annoyed them

And given that Britain itself was just a slight annoyance to France in the war against Russians and Germans, there is really no way the US could have changed the outcome

War of 1812 = a hamster (America) bitting the tail of a rat (Britain) which is bitting the tail of a tiger (France while its fighting against a bear (Russia)

>They could have helped Napoleon defeat Britain.
With what? Bravado and weekend soldiers?

They are lucky to have not been erased during 1812, even the canucks was kicking their ass.

>implying America had no navy
>implying Russia was against Napoleon in 1812
>implying Florida and Spain wasn't under French control
>implying you're a fucking dumbass.

>Implying America had no navy
None that could have made a significant difference against the RN, especially since they'd be deploying across the Atlantic.
>Implying was against Napoleon in 1812
Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812, even people who don't know or care about the period know that.
>Impling Florida and and Spain weren't under French control
And that would have helped Napoleon invade Britain how? Helping the US take Canada is totally useless for Napoleon.
>Implying you're a fucking dumbass
et tu

Not at the start of 1812, he invaded a week after Britain invaded the U.S.

it was a US decision to remain neutral, both britain and france entreated the US to form an alliance but the US refused both and was better off for it. Youre lucky we had presidents like Adams to think strategically and look to the future rather than getting involved in europeans wars for short term benefits

I remember reading in Thomas Jefferson's biography that most Americans viewed Napoleon very favorably during this period, and Jefferson himself had a bust of Napoleon in his house to commemorate the Louisiana Purchase, a bust which remains at Monticello to this day.

Well, what if Napoleon bribed the us with Louisiana in allying with him instead of literally selling it short?

he tried that but the US wouldnt take it. The US had all the leverage in discussion because they werent the ones that needed money, they werent the ones with half the world trying to destroy them, they did the best thing for them. Changed the game really, showed a neutral approach could be the most profitable, make money from both sides, and thats what they tried until britain decided to do what was best for britain and start capturing US ships, forcing a war. The US did everything it could to avoid war because they sucked at it, at this point in their history they were one of the worst militaries in the civilized world and they knew it. Economics was their strength, not military prowess.That was abundantly apparent by their performance in 1812 which validates their neutral strategy.

The US wasn't defeated in 1812

no but it got the snot beat out of it. The war was over diplomatically before the US even had a victory to show for itx by any meaningful metric a proxy battle on the frontier hardly makes up for a failed canadian campaign and the white house burning to the ground, but thats just me.

t. american

The US was defeated in the sense that the Americans permanently shelved plans to acquire Canada.

>he tried that but th U.S. didn't take it

Citation needed

Yeah, he could have Googled it, the moron.

Ill admit I worded that poorly, napoleon himself didnt ask for an alliance because france had already tried that a decade before and couldnt get US support, so he knew the only thing he could get for the louisianna territory was money. My point about Napoleon not having any leverage still stands.

Jefferson literally hates Napoleon and they were opposites in ideology.

Jefferson hated Napoleon so much he had a bust of Napoleon in his house which remains there to this day. Makes complete sense.

What's the the point of an alliance anyway?

You all realize Napoleon permitted the Louisiana purchase because it gave him money for a territory he couldn't realistically defend or profit from. At the same time he set the US and Britian on course to clash within what he predicted would be 8 years.

Read his letters dude. He calls him attilla the hun and a tyrant and fears he has his sights set on the US after Europe.

Not an inch of clay of Spanish America was ever under French control.

We almost went to war with France a couple decades earlier, relationship soured
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair

Was it because Washington denied all alliances?

t. ignorant amerifat
America was absolutely irrelevant before 1900's

Lol murricans with Jay Treaty bertayed their real ally and savior

you forget that Britannia rules the waves kiddo

Washington and the Federalists were Angloboos. Jefferson and the Democratic Republicans were Francoboos.

also see, Genet affair

Then why didn't Madison go to war with Britian on Napoleon's side!

Because yanks were shit allies. If they wouldn't honour their alliance with France when France created their country they weren't going to join them then.

In Canada we spend so long in high school history on the war of 1812 because its the last time we did something signficant in a war

>implying Jefferson wasn't an adamant supporter of France