Let's say the current Iran regime collapses and a great brilliant leader emerges and creates a democratic society like what could have happened before UK intervention
Would America's allegiance with Iraq and Saudi Arabia suffer because of the now similarities between Iran and America ?
Would the population of Iran even accept democracy or am I fully mistaken?
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>implying Iran isn't democratic
You can make a very convincing argument that Iran is already somewhat a Democracy
But Iran is democratic, and, no the US does not ally with states simply for being democratic. Look at how many repressive regimes the US has supported over the decades since WW2 ended. Geopolitical power games don't factor in things like how nice or 'like us' a country is, but conflicting interests.
They chimped out at the last democratically elected leader Iran had. That's the whole reason we're in this mess.
No, because Iran is aligned with Russia and China.
Tbf, they aren't alligned yet.
They've been making moves but in no way are they a unified block yet
Russia yes, but China doesn't do shit in the Middle East in terms of taking sides. They deal with everyone.
Democracy isn't defined by the ability to vote.
Yeah it's defined by having electing a representative that votes for you instead. Cause that's democratic, instead of being a republic
No. USA's issues with Iran are these:
1) Iran does not price its oil exclusively in USD while remaining a major player in OPEC. This is bad for the USD, which is largely backed by the petrodollar recycling.
2) Iran is vehemently anti-Israel. The USA has a large Jewish presence in positions of top power. In the USA (and perhaps the West), many policy makers, federal reserve chairmen & financiers, media pundits, filmmakers, pawnbrokers, and various political and ideological taskmakers are Jewish. They occupy positions of power & influence far out of proportion to their number. Jews only make up 2% of pop. and effectively control the FED. Israel can be seen as an extension of USA's interests thus.
3) Iran is a good boogeyman to justify military spending and keep the Military Industrial Complex running. The military is effectively its own industry, and it needs an enemy to always justify its spending. No enemies means less funds, less jobs for people in that sector, and so forth.
Regardless what happens, I hope the USA gets its shit hit in... finally.
>like what could have happened before UK intervention
Wasn't the Shah known for its cruelty? I've only ever seen non-Persians or Persian diaspora talk about the good ol' days before the revolution desu.
There was a very libertine, modern culture in major city centers. It was nowhere to be seen anywhere else in the country.
So basically for the elite 1%? Wow no wonder the majority felt bitter at the state the country was going in. They had to deal with the brunt of change.
Shah wasn't really in power before the coup, he only gained dictatorial powers after Mossadegh was overthrown.
1 and 3 go away when Iran is democratic. 2 cannot be stopped but no Muslim majority country recognizes israel save Egypt, Turkey, and Jordan anyway and America is allied with several of these countries.
It's not about democracy, it's about oil
No because they would be the dominant power in the Middle East without American sanctions and they're self-sufficient enough that we can't control everything they do like the way we control Israel and Saudi Arabia through trade and supplying their armies.
>1 and 3 go away when Iran is democratic.
1) Iranians are not cucks. Even the Shah was betrayed by Carter because he was gradually ceasing to be an OPEC puppet near the end of his reign. Carter even backed Khomeini, called him a saint and give him millions of dollars:
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2) USA is supporting an even worse alternative than the IRI, and they are called MEK/NCRI (parent groups). They are Islamist cultists influenced by Marxism; they killed many Americans, gassed Iran's own people, and have a history of molestation and being cultish. USA supports Islamist extremists when they align with their geopolitical and economic interests, so you can take that stuff about "muh democracy" and shove it up your ass.
3) Iranians will fight for their sovereignty and they will not cuck to American Viking savages. Everything Spengler had to say about American savages was true. Go back into your mudhuts, you retard.
The Shah had delusions of grandeur, and believed that oil prices could only continue to rise and based Iran's budget on that assumption. At the end of the day he only had his own actions to blame for the fall of the Pahlavi regime
>hurr durr be muh puppet
>hurr durr have fake democracy so we can be friends
The Shah wanted to become independent and no longer an OPEC puppet near the end of his reign. If this is called "delusions of grandeur", then you can go fuck yourself.
>At the end of the day he only had his own actions to blame for the fall of the Pahlavi regime
At the end of the day, it's just the hypocritical actions of the USA. The USA is too powerful for its own good, and the USA would do this world a favor by Balkanizing and splitting into multiple countries. I'm getting tired of how this country creates problems and then feigns innocence. The realpolitik of the USA is creating endless problems, and the leaders rarely act with honor and integrity.
>The Shah wanted to become independent and no longer an OPEC puppet near the end of his reign
...which lead to massive expansion in military spending (based on the assumption in the budget that oil prices would never stop rising), which entailed the arrival of tens of thousands of American contractors, who inflamed anti-American tensions in Iran through their boorish behaviour.
>I'm getting tired of how this country creates problems and then feigns innocence. The realpolitik of the USA is creating endless problems, and the leaders rarely act with honor and integrity.
Whatever role America had in the fall of the Pahlavi regime was small compared to the problems that the Shah caused. If the Shah had simply been content to lay the groundwork for Iran becoming a great power, he wouldn't have had the problems he had - unfortunately he wanted to see Iran become a great power before he died, resulting in unsustainable military spending
>Let's say the current Iran regime collapses and a great brilliant leader emerges and creates a democratic society like what could have happened before UK intervention
>UK intervention
"In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[18][19] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".[20]"
The only Iran the US will accept is one that sells oil in US dollars or privatizes its reserves + one that supports israel
>Whatever role America had in the fall of the Pahlavi regime was small compared to the problems that the Shah caused.
Carter giving millions to Khomeini, calling him a saint, and supporting him as an alternative is "small"? You have no honor or integrity. Why should Iran be friends with shitty Machiavellian Anglos? Just. leave. Iran. alone.
>If the Shah had simply been content to lay the groundwork for Iran becoming a great power, he wouldn't have had the problems he had
Does any of this still warrant betrayal from the USA? The USA constantly changes alliances whenever it is convenient and in its economic interests. This is insane. Kissingerian realpolitik needs to be abandoned for the possibility of any rapprochement. The fact is, you and I at least know the REAL narrative, but the USA's leaders constantly spreads a FALSE narrative in order to brainwash the masses. Why can't USA's politicians be upfront and honest about their motives for once, stop relying on subterfuge and endless pretexts? With great power comes great responsibility, so why not act with integrity and honor for once? It's because you are no better than filthy Vikings, as Spengler made clear.
>boorish behaviour
That's all Americans know how to be truthfully. All your criticisms become moot after Trump put an advocate of MEK/NCRI into his cabinet (). The goal of USA shift from rapprochement to attempting to Balkanize and split Iran somewhere down the line. Is it because the USA wants to secure access to South Pars Gas Condensate Field in Khuzestan? Probably, considering you are greedy bastards.