Is the Varangian origin of the Rus' simply a myth? It is common knowledge that Rurik might've never existed...

Is the Varangian origin of the Rus' simply a myth? It is common knowledge that Rurik might've never existed, and no genetically tested Rurikid to date carries Germanic Y-DNA.

You still have to explain the early Rus' princes having Norse names, and the abundances of sources in sagas talking about vikings adventuring in Russia.

>You still have to explain the early Rus' princes having Norse names
They could've been made up for the Primary Chronicle, it was written many centuries after the supposed birth of Rurik after all.
>and the abundances of sources in sagas talking about vikings adventuring in Russia.
That doesn't mean they were part of the founding dynasty of Novgorod and Kievan Rus', it'd make sense to claim that the dynasty originated from a foreign tribe though so as to prevent infighting between the local tribes.

rurikids had finnic and slavic Y-DNA so the absence of germanic one is not really suprising.

it's also mentioned in Primary Chronicle that it wasn't only varangian elite that shaped Rus, western slavs(lachy) were also invited to govern, therfore kiev rus was probably a multi-cultural and multi-ethnic state at first, but later the slavic factor completely dominated over norse one.

The sources do mention varangian mercenaries but the
>EBIC NORSE RULED TEH SLAVS
seems like mostly horseshit

>>EBIC NORSE RULED TEH SLAVS
>seems like mostly horseshit
No one disputes it anymore

Only soviet historians did in the past.

Big Slav Cock cucked the norse, just like niggers do to them now.

A lot more niggers in the West then the East, in case you haven't noticed.

How is that relevant?

and it seems soviet historians were right since there is no proof for rurikids being norse

No, there's genetic evidence for it. My father's family is originally from Norway, and we did a National Geographic DNA test and we got matched up with some Russian guy. According to the test, his family line broke off from ours about 1000 years ago, which fits in with the timeline of Vikings/Varyags going into Russia. Obviously he's not the only one.

>and no genetically tested Rurikid to date carries Germanic Y-DNA
Like 10% of Swedes are N1c

>ruled by a Norse dynasty for centuries
>"we cucked dem n sheit"

But that doesn't make it Germanic.
There is no genetic evidence for the Varangian origin of Rurikids.

It doesn't rule it out either, and all the other evidence points toward a Scandinavian origin.

source?

>It doesn't rule it out either
It practically does, look at the distribution of N1c in Europe.
>and all the other evidence points toward a Scandinavian origin.
There is no evidence apart from the Primary Chronicle, and it was written centuries after Rurik's time.

The name Rurik itself is of Norse origin, same with «Russia» from the Swedish tribe called the Rus'.

Ffs even the Finns still call Sweden by the name of the Rus', Ruotsi

Estonians named themselves after a Baltic tribe, doesn't make them Baltic does it

>According to the most prevalent theory, the name Rus', like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen (Rus-law) or Roden, as it was known in earlier times.[6][7] The name Rus' would then have the same origin as the Finnish and Estonian names for Sweden: Ruotsi and Rootsi.[8]

>Norse dynasty
even Sviatoslav was already half slavic and his warriors swore an oath to Perun, a slavic god

they got slavicized extremly quickly

And?

I don't really see what difference it makes if he was nordic/slav/finnish other than some racists jerking of to him.
His origin, if he existed, won't change anything in how he and his succesors ruled.
It doesn't changes the fakt that he was later portrayed as norse and the rus(sian) nobily claimed to decent from him.
It doesn't seem to me. as a foreigner, that tracing back your origins to the norse is an important thing for modern Russians/Eastern Slavs, so it wouldn't destroy/weaken their identety.
This thread and historiography(?) seems to agree that their were Varangian, nordic and finnish, around in the rus pricipalities and they held positions of power.
So what's the importance of the ethnicity of a semi-historic person?

It's the Finns with their inferiority complex that are desperate at finding something that can make them historically relevant

>Norse dynasty without Norse Y-DNA
Nice try, Cai-Göran.

Jesus all these Finnish wewuzzers

What do Finns have to do with anything?

Russian nationalists are the only Rus-denialists.

Genetic evidence supports their stance.

I think you have to keep in mind that there would only have been a very, very small number of Varangian adventurer-princes, perhaps only dozens at any one time, compared to the number of local Slavs considered to be within the umbrella of "Rus'". Moreover, within just 1 or 2 generations of intermarriage, even those who considered themselves wholly Varangian and not at all Slavic would have been genetically mostly Slavs, even if they culturally considered themselves Norse. The culture could still have been largely Varangian in origin but have left very few genetic traces. There are precedents for this, as e.g. the Normans transformed the culture and government of England but as genetic studies have revealed they never made up more than a percent or two of the population.

Isnt most of England still mostly original Briton/Welsh genetically just Germanicized?

Yes. Genetically the Anglo-Saxons had a small impact, the Normans an even smaller one. Absent a plague or huge genocide, culture changes far more readily than genetics.

They became Slavic in terms of auDNA very quickly, but if their patrilineage was originally Germanic it'd show.

Rurik had a Finnish Y-DNA, so Finns circlejerk about him.

>but if their patrilineage was originally Germanic it'd show.
but it never did lmao

Exactly, so either original Rurikids got cucked or they never were Germanic.

> Is the Varangian origin of the Rus' simply a myth?
No, I think it's generally accepted by historians, Russian as well as Western. It's accepted as well that the actual number of the Norsemen was quite small, and they had little effect on the genetic makeup or cultural identity, themselves being assimilated into the Slavic nation after a generations or two.