Why is it that most countries which experienced both socialism and capitalism overwhelmingly prefer socialism?

Why is it that most countries which experienced both socialism and capitalism overwhelmingly prefer socialism?

66% of Romanians would vote for Ceausescu (the "evil communist dictator") if he ran today:

romanianjournalist.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/survey-66-of-the-romanians-would-vote-for-ceausescu/

72% of Hungarians say life was better under the "brutal communist regime":

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

"The most evil man in history" Joseph Stalin is more popular in Russia than Putin:

newsweek.com/putin-behind-stalin-top-russias-most-outstanding-people-poll-629032

Doesn't this data in and of itself disprove the claim that capitalism is better than socialism?

If capitalism was superior to socialism, most people in these countries would prefer capitalism. But that's not what we find looking at objective reality.

Other urls found in this thread:

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_1993
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2001
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Kwaśniewski
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Hungarian_parliamentary_election
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Polish_parliamentary_election
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Czech_legislative_election,_2017
thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/328269,FTSE-Russell-upgrades-Poland-from-emerging-to-developed-market
who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/msb_gsr_2014_3.pdf
spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-2017-alle-ergebnisse-im-ueberblick-a-1167247.html
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Because longing for your youth and "the good old days when everything was simpler" doesn't discriminate with ideology

>the common people
>being able to choose able leaders
Case in point: USA

>Doesn't this data in and of itself disprove the claim that capitalism is better than socialism?
either that or it's proof old people shouldn't be allowed to vote. nostalgia is a hell of a drug

1. Living Standards, GDP, GDP per capita
2. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, the peoples of these were too part of the Warsaw pact and they prefer Capitalism, and the communist parties of these and the countries you have mentioned have failed to win any elections.
>inb4 socialist democrats lmao

Croatian here.

People are nostalgic because the communism brought the biggest jump in the standards of living (Yugoslavia), especially in Serbia. People literally went from mud floor housing and no electricity to owning tractors, cars and televisions in a 10-year span. Croats are unhappy (except some rural population and seaside people that had to deal with mussolini) because they got robbed in the process but that's a different story, but bosnians, serbs and macedonians are the countries most affected by that jump.

Another thing going for Yugoslavia was that even though it was corrupt, it enjoyed funding from both East and West (Johnson even made it into a "country of special interest" so he could trade with it, because it was prohibited otherwise by Truman's doctrine I think).
Employment was also high and nearly everyone had a job (compared to today). Public education was vastly improved, literally anyone could enroll in a university (which also created lots of socio-economical problems that are still present today but I wont get into it now)
But, what people fail to realize, is that communism got us into this mess - the corrupt leadership remained and still holds the most political power (almost all of our ex presidents or prime ministers were in the communist party, be it "right" or "left" wing).

tldr, people are nostalgic for the times of prosperity and advancements, even though we're better off today. If you look at it, it's mostly old people, people who had relatives in high political positions or antifa fags who want communism back.

>66% of Romanians are senior citizens
>72% of Hungarians are senior citizens
>Over 90% of Russians are senior citizens
You're literally retarded

Stalin was fucking cool, dude.

t. slav intellectuals

Because we Eastern Europeans love gibs

Humans are sinful creatures, and one you get a taste of sin your country will repeat its mistakes until it repents. Much of Europe is still trying to recover since the fall of Roman standards of living.

>Kill 150+ million people because they don't like you
>a majority of those who remain like you

Wow, truly impresive

Why most islamic rulers today are fat?

If 150 million + people were killed, everyone in these countries would have a friend or relative killed by the regime. Which means they definitely wouldn't miss it overwhelmingly. You're fucking retarded

>if you kill your enemies. They win!
is this the infamous brainlet that prowls /his.?

Mostly nostalgia

Also bad premise. There have been capitalist and socialist democracys and dictatorships. The usa and ussr toppled both regardless of the will of the peoples.

If your playing socialist however you need to make some pretence of keeping up with the ideals, capitalisim lacks these standards.

People miss nationalism; not socialism. People also miss job security: here is difficult to separate missing socialism from missing sloth

>the will of the people
is worthless, genocide is preferable to a mobocratic abomination.

Morality is a factor in the question. Considering toppling the local goverment to replace it with one more fitting the usa/ussr preferences happened it seems lick a factor worth mentioning.

Especially as they seem to be equating harsh dictatorships with socialism.

>People are nostalgic because the communism brought the biggest jump in the standards of living (Yugoslavia), especially in Serbia.

It's funny, because Anglo anti-communists on Veeky Forums who've never lived in a socialist country will tell you socialism destroys prosperity and standards of living.

How was the situation after the re-introduction of capitalism? In most Eastern Europe it was terrible.

It seems more like a case of them preferring to live under a type of regime, as opposed to living under a certain economic system. Most Russians miss the USSR because that was a time during which Russia was a superpower and had vast foreign influence and respect, at least more so than today. It's really a symptom of nationalistic longing and idealization of the past, back when the country wasn't defeated and "stabbed in the back" so to say.
The situation is also similar in Romania, since from what the article says, a lot of Romanians think of their more recent leaders as incompetent, ineffectual and not up to par due to recent economic troubles. The results of the survey is rather misleading since Ceausescu is being matched up with candidates that are even more unpopular and resented than he is. So it comes at no surprise that he would be preferred.
I think most Americans would prefer having someone like Obama as their president again, over the likes of Trump and Hilary. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that they think highly of Obama ran the United States during his tenure and that the situation during his term was the best it could possibly be, without need for improvement. It's just that people think their current leaders are less capable of doing anything to better the country, going by how well those current leaders have performed or whatever results they have produced.

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In Hungary, I think the population does genuinely want to return some of the aspects of an more more socialist economy into their current economic planning and policy making. They don't actually want to revert back to an older regime as was the case with Russia and Romania. They don't want to give up on democracy, they actually want democratic ideals and practices to be better fulfilled and applied. Nonetheless, when talking about what degree of "socialism" Hungarians want to implement into their economy, it's very clear they want to emulate the "goulash communism" of the 70s and 80s. This is an important detail to take into account since "goulash communism" is distinct from the types of economic planning that was applied in other Warsaw pact countries. In fact, "goulash communism" gave Hungarians a higher living standard of living than other countries with an economic system based on socialist/communist principles, theories and thought. The only substantial part of "goulash communism" which diverged from traditional socialist economic system was a free market was mixed and integrated with a planned economy. Since the Hungarian government has mostly dropped central planning after the end of the cold war, the economy became entirely free market oriented. Based on this, I'm presuming that Hungarians want a greater extent of central returning so they can return to "goulash communism", but they don't want to get rid of free markets entirely. It appears that they have no problem with letting forces in the open market develop independently, with no interference.

>pewresearch
Fuck off you deranged western subhuman. Check out the election results instead.

Elections in Eastern Europe are fraudulent

Lmao.
Go to Poland or Hungary and tell them about how good life was being dominated by Russia, get back to me and tell me how many teeth they knocked out of your stupid, fat, naive American face.

>It's funny, because Anglo anti-communists on Veeky Forums who've never lived in a socialist country will tell you socialism destroys prosperity and standards of living.
It's just a fact, mate. Sorry you can't face the abject inferiority of leftist economics. Just because transition out of a shitty system into decline, to a far superior system was a bumpy ride, doesn't mean the shitty system was any less shit. Eastern Europe would've been far, far better off if it had never adopted this disaster of an ideology in the first place.
What's worse? A gangrenous leg that slowly kills you? Or a traumatic but life saving amputation?

It's like how people in the US today wish they were alive in the 50's

How worthless do you have to be to not even read the thread you're responding to?

From OP:

72% of Hungarians say life was better in communism.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

72% of Hungarians would beat your worthless NEET ass into a pulp dumbshit

Today's Russia has plenty of nationalism.

Your claim is that you know more about life under socialism than people who lived under socialism, like the Croat ITT. Only subhuman tier IQ can make such a claim.

People inclined to support capitalism were either killed, imprisoned or fled.

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>Romania
>capitalist before communism
jesus christ

Because Eastern Europeans have retarded mentality, and they do not think that capitalism is evil, they are just butthurt that nowadays they have rich neighbours both within and outside their states. It is clear that market economy improved Eastern Europe, but the most of Eastern Europeans are not happy because they do not have "equality".

Ex-GDR:
>Butthurt that West Germans are still richer than them, so even if they are living much better now they are still unhappy, also nowadays they have class division so they are also butthurt for hard-working Easr Germans who earn more than them. Can't respect prosperityband freedom because they are mentally retarded.
>Romania and Hungary
Butthurt that they are still not as rich as Germany and Sweden, so they have nostalgia to the times nearly nobody near them earned more than them. They can't respect prosperity and freedom goven by capitalism either.
>Russia
Same mental retardness, but combined with wanting to be a superpower like America. So they miss the USSR not because they had high living standarts, because they didn't.

This kind of mental retardness used to be also at cancerous size in my home country, Poland. But the rise of nationalism based on 1920, 1944 uprising when red army betrayed us, post-war cursed soldiers (anticommunist guerillas), and of course anti-communist 80s protests led to hating communism even more after it fall. The "we are living extremely bad because our neighbours are richer" negative mentality can be still noticed when these retards migrate to Western Europe because "poland is extremely poor since we don't earn more than germans and british!!!1". But it's good such ungrateful trash is leaving, I hope they will not return after we will really get as rich as Germany.

"socialism" and "free market economy" are not mutually exclusive, not that OP is making a valid point either.

Ameritrash """research""" is fraudulent.

The Romanian one uses digi24.ro as the source. That site is worse than the Daily Mail. It's shit.

>You have to live that era to have nostalgia for it
It's basically the political version of "modern music is shit, I wish I was born in the 60's when it was better"

>led to hating communism even more after it fall

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_1993
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2001
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Kwaśniewski

Let's not exaggerate. Post-communists stopped being popular only because of rampant corruption and various scandals.

Countries that have socialist revolutions tend to experience capitalism at its very worst. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia and its satellites once again experienced this type of capitalism as foreign businessmen flooded the country and almost every societal institution was sold to the highest bidder or demolished entirely.

These factors cause people in these societies to experience the same anticapitalist sentiment as their ancestors a century ago. Pair this with the widespread understanding that socialists despite their failings actually stood for something and developed the country in several key ways, socialist nostalgia in these countries makes perfect sense.

If you remove old people those majorities should still hold. Old people can't be more than 10-15% of the population

>there is no nationalism in Hungary
>there is no nationalism in Ukraine
>there is no nationalism in Russia
Retard.

Rightists really are delusional

if only there was some way to synthesize communism and nationalism

If they say good things specifically about Ceausescu and Stalin that says NazBol is the best ideology in particular.

in romania and hungary people over 65 are over 15% of the total population
add working age people who miss being paid for pretending to work and people who just have the current government and would say anything to spite them and you get those percentages

How's capitalism working out for Poland? Most Poles now live abroad, performing degrading manual labor for Anglo and German masters. Poles are seen as a joke nation in the West, joked about and insulted on a casual basis. "Polack jokes" in America make fun of alleged Polish stupidity. In England the right-wing hates Poles for "taking our jobs".

Under socialism, none of this was happening. Poles were respected by their brother nations, and Poles could make a decent living in their own country.

>your brain is so addicted to reddit memes you can no longer have a logical conversation about sober politics

>last elections in Slovakia
Social democrats - 28,8%
Libertarians - 12,1%
Conservative populists - 11,02%
Nationalist populists - 8,64%
National socialists/fascists - 8,04%
Another conservative populists - 6,62%
Hungarian minority party - 6,5%
Center-right meme party - 5,6%

The threshold for being elected into the assembly is 5%. The two communist parties got 0,62% and 0,12% respectively. Can't speak for other EE countries but we definitely aren't in favor in bringing back communism.

>popularity polls are empirical data of something being superior to another thing

state-controlled economy is undeniably better at creating something from nothing as other anons have noted

it is, however, godawful at creating more of something from something as the economic clusterfuck of most of the warsaw pact in the late 80s can attest to

nostalgic romanticism was a thing even in those communist countries while they were still communist

In all honesty, Poland is doing surprisingly well, compared to other countries in that area.

Why stop there?

>Hungary
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Hungarian_parliamentary_election
Far-right nationalist party - 49%
Former communist party - 16%
Srs bzns 'blood and soil' ultra far-right party -16%

>Poland
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Polish_parliamentary_election
Nationalist populist party - 43%
Center-right conservative party - 21%
Right-wing populist meme party - 13%
EUrocuck party - 7%
Tree-hugger conservative party - 6%
Former communist party - 4%

>Czechia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Czech_legislative_election,_2017
Populist nationalist centrist party - 27%
Social democrat party - 11%
Former communist party - 11%
Nationalist populist party - 10%
Christcuck party - 7%
Conservative party - 7%

Hardly a ringing endorsement, especially when you realise the communist parties are also the old fart parties.

>How was the situation after the re-introduction of capitalism? In most Eastern Europe it was terrible.
I said it in the post above. The standards of living certainly continued to improve which I'm not sure can be attributed to the capitalists. If you look at any post-communist country except a selected few which I don't know anything about (like CZ or Poland, baltic countries like Estonia etc), the state of corruption is absolutely off the charts. That goes double for ex-Yugoslav countries. Over here in Croatia (and Serbia for that matter, we're like twin countries by our mindsets that have to shit on each other constantly)politicians are still mentally in 1940s, talking about fascists and commies, and those criminals are taking a spotlight instead of focusing on economy. Politicians destroyed our countries economically and politically and divided the population on "those who are patriots and bow down to ex-nazis", or those who are "progressive, anti-fascist and dont want to be associated with fascist dumbfucks". And people take it all because they've lived under foreign rule for some 500-1000 years, so they're incapable of grasping ideas like personal freedom, prosperity and fair rule. Now we're bootlicking EU, our prime minister is the biggest spineless hack, and they keep talking about "unemployment drops" while promoting austria and ireland as top working destinations on fucking public TV stations. We lost about 100k people to emigration and they market it as an unemployment drop, while building syrian immigration centers in our capital.
I predict we'll disappear as people in about 100 years.

You tell me?
thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/328269,FTSE-Russell-upgrades-Poland-from-emerging-to-developed-market

>Most Poles now live abroad
No they don't. Polish Americans don't really count as Poles.

Polack jokes in America date back to 19th century before Poland was even a country.

what most people in those countries want back is a stable dictatorship that makes trains run on time. if you ask them why they want communism back they'll say gibsmedats and "stability", "unity", "strong military" and other such bullshit. literally no one would say that they miss the worker's control of the means of the production or the vanguard party's leadership. periods of active communism-making such as 1917 in Russia, as opposed to stagnated bureaucratic dictatorships, are generally considered a failure. Russians hate revolutionary communism before Stalin for example.

Everyone in E Europe knows the "elections" are fraudulent. If people in Eastern Europe believed their elections were fair and legitimate, they wouldn't miss socialism in the first place.

>Grandpa said Stalin was great and times were better in his youth. Why would grandpa lie to us?

I'm Eastern European and you're a fucking idiot who for some reason claims that the research of some retarded American meme institute is more credible than actual election results.

I'm also in Eastern Europe, in my country the elections are 100% fraudulent and 100% of people know this. The Communists were going to win in 1999, but the regime blatantly rigged the election.

Same thing happened in Russia in 1996. Hollywood even made a movie about the US "advisors" who helped rig the election - it's called "Saving Boris".

Elections are a joke in every capitalist country. Not one election in history has ever resulted in serious social change. Why would the ruling class allow their rule to be threatened by something like a vote or referendum?

Which country?

So they want demsoc instead of stalinism? PRetty based

Old people are nostalgic of their youth. There wasn't any real decommunization so the fuckers can spread their myths and lies everywhere and make younger people feel they missed on the good times when in fact they'll probably slit their wrists if they had to live during communism.

OP can fuck back to his mother's cunt or alternatively go live in South Korea or some shithole like that.

Since you are probably a dumb ass anglo bitch, let me explain it to you regarding Stalin. The communist regime and the current regime sees Russia as an entity that just has some excessive periods of setbacks, but also sees them as necessary. The whole of Russian history is seen as a dialectical history, where Peter the Great, Alexander II, Stalin(they don't like Lenin as much) and Putin are part of the same historical entity called Russia. Russian geopolitics never changes, regardless of regime. Also Stalin by many leftists(especially the anglo-trash kind) is considered a reactionary, so you could say people like social-conservatism more and socialism a bit.

That's because capitalism in EE was introduced as an oligarchy by the former communist elites. You know how Zizek says that the best managers of capitalism are the former communists. That's the same thing.

People also have a nostalgia for pre-WW2 monarchies and are the same people who have a fondness of communist times(unless their family directly was affected after WW2).

ALso the people OP is talking about, the ones who love socialism are the same people who are voting far-right now. You dumb anglo morons are so anglo-centric that your brain is literally incapable of doing some critical thinking about socialism. It's either it's bad or it has never been tried.

>That's because capitalism in EE was introduced as an oligarchy by the former communist elites.
This. Westerners literally imagine the post-communist Eastern Europe as a place where the commies got deposed and new people were handpicked by the west. While in reality the old commies and the new capitalists are the exact same group people, they just changed allegiance. This is true for pretty much every EE country aside from Romania.

Homo Sovieticus is still my favourite term for these people tbqh, since most of it is accurate.
>Indifference to the results of his labour (as expressed in the saying "They pretend they are paying us, and we pretend we are working").

>Lack of initiative and avoidance of taking any individual responsibility for anything. Jerzy Turowicz wrote "it's a person enslaved, incapacitated, deprived of initiative, unable to think critically; he expects - and demands - everything to be provided by the state, he cannot and doesn't want to take his fate in his own hands".

>Indifference to common property and petty theft from the workplace, both for personal use and for profit. A line from a popular song, "Everything belongs to the kolkhoz, everything belongs to me" ("вcё тeпepь кoлхoзнoe, вcё тeпepь мoё" / vsyo teperь kolkhoznoe, vsyo teperь moyo), meaning that people on collective farms treasured all common property as their own, was sometimes used ironically to refer to instances of petty theft.

>Obedience to or passive acceptance of everything that government imposes on them

>In the opinion of a former US ambassador to Kazakhstan, a tendency to drink heavily: "[a Kazakh defence minister] appears to enjoy loosening up in the tried and true Homo Sovieticus style – i.e., drinking oneself into a stupor."

realy what we want is to have a system again, even if its a shitty system as long as its a system and it functions, so theres some fucking 'conception' of things, some logic and order to things, at east officialy

most dont even mind the corruption so much, people are just sick of this shit today, society, economy, politics, demography, its all in a state of slow decay for decades, while a dosen faggots run your whole economy like its a fiefdom, till they fuck up and have to get bailed out with more credits and tax money, the banks legaly rob people blind and import-export lobbies are killing local buisness
then every 4 years theres another media puppet show where two turds accuse each other of smelling, and a long protracted necrofiliac timetravel ceremony from death camp to mass grave and based on these you then get to vote for another generic, lukewarm mix of corporate criminals and incompetents, and then theres another 4 years of slowly sinking into disorganisation, recession and demographic colapse

people want out of that, and they dont all want to go to sweden or germany, some of us would actualy like to live in our own land, even if it is a balkan shithole

we need a different state, this one isnt working

people are slowly starting to process that fact, and untill they articulate things the old notions of yuga will be thrown around, but people are just getting around to consciously acknowledging the fact we have all been repeating to ourselves for decades, that we got robbed, that the gowernment was allways corrupt and incompetent, that those fucks shouldnt even be there, we need a new state, a third republic or no central state at all of fuck knows what, we need a system, a new system, we just dont know how to articulate it yet, some generations are only today comming to terms with the fact their beloved statefounders were ex-comie kleptomaniacal morons and the privatization actualy happened as it did

>the ones who love socialism are the same people who are voting far-right now.
Wait what? Not even far-right in the Sweden Democrats way?

> While in reality the old commies and the new capitalists are the exact same group people, they just changed allegiance.
Holy shit so much this, most of our parliament members such as Conservatives, Greens and Social democrats are just former Communist party members, even our president supposedly has KGB ties (no not Putin)

It's not a country

Are you kidding me? Look at how OP says that 72% in Hungary love socialism. The 2 main parties in Hungary are nationalist-right and far-right and old people are a bigger voting demographic. This would literally mean that a significant portion of people who liked socialism are now voting at least populist right.

A republican voting grandpa from the south would have a better time with my socialist-loving grandfather because they have more in common, than some urban SJW retard that identifies as socialist.

Maybe you haven't been following the recent elections in Germany, but the populist right-wing party is doing better in the former GDR.

>>Indifference to the results of his labour (as expressed in the saying "They pretend they are paying us, and we pretend we are working").
How much "deference" does your average McDonalds employee give to the results of his labour? Zero. In capitalism, workers rarely have any emotional connection or even interest in the jobs they are forced to perform.

>Indifference to common property and petty theft from the workplace, both for personal use and for profit.
Bush's bailout transferred $14 trillion from taxpayers to already filthy rich banksters. That's the biggest theft in history right there, and most people in America don't even know it happened.

>>Obedience to or passive acceptance of everything that government imposes on them
Sounds like every Western country.

>In the opinion of a former US ambassador to Kazakhstan, a tendency to drink heavily:
Highest alcoholism rate in the world is in South Korea, a capitalist "paradise".

Go lie somewhere else then, brainlet.

I never argued whether capitalism was better, I'm saying this is an accurate depiction that is also used by Eastern Europeans to describe the average old fuck who wants USSR back (of course there are other reasons but most people just want the gibsmedats that the government used to give, all the way from being handed an apartment for pretty much nothing and a 100% confirmation to have a job with 0 competition). We even use it in articles.


>Highest alcoholism rate in the world is in South Korea, a capitalist "paradise".
Source? Last I recall reading it was Belarus IIRC.

I guess that's why most east germans, except the faggots in Berlin, are very right wing.

>This is true for pretty much every EE country aside from Romania.
this is where you are wrong.
that is true especially for Romania

>Highest alcoholism rate in the world is in South Korea
What? Nigger even the World Health Organization disagrees with you.
who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/msb_gsr_2014_3.pdf
Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, Hungary, Czech Republic and Belarus have greater consumption rates than Korea per capita. We fucking take pride here in being one of the world's biggest alcoholics in a pessimistic way, don't you fucking lie. This pdf also shows that "total consumption (drinkers only)", Korea is surpassed by states such as Namibia, Nepal, Gambia, Belize etc... Keep in mind Korea has more people than all of these countries combined.

>inb4 vote pernar

Look up Ostalgie.

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Nope, the Linke is the most left wing mainstream party in Europe and polls highest in the former DDR.

Exactly this
There's so much misinformation in this thread about Romania

It polls highest in these areas, yes. But it's still behind the CDU and even behind the AfD
spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-2017-alle-ergebnisse-im-ueberblick-a-1167247.html

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Because all of these countries adopted capitalism AFTER being under repressive communist regimes for half a century, and adopted capitalist policies very poorly after the collapse of these regimes (not to mention having populations that grew up with totalitarian propaganda dictating their lives and forming their thinking into believing capitalism is some evil force after having the state provide everything to them for their whole lives).

TL;DR adapting to a completely different ideology after being told it was pure evil for decades will give you that nostalgia

Merkel was from East Germany and fucked up the whole country, woah...

human nostalgia is a powerful thing. i'm sure there were germans who missed the nazis as well, doesn't mean everything was better.

>Why is it that most countries which experienced both socialism and capitalism overwhelmingly prefer socialism?
Most of them have an aging population who lived under the communist regime who have extreme nostalgia goggles, and now that hose countries are overwhelmingly nationalistic and xenophobic, what they really want is

F A S C I S M

SIEG HEIL

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>e-everyone I don't like is a NEET
Projection much?