3,200-Year-Old Stone Inscription Tells of Trojan Prince, Sea People
>A 3,200-year-old stone slab with an inscription that tells of a Trojan prince and may refer to the mysterious Sea People has been deciphered, archaeologists announced today (Oct. 7).
>The stone inscription, which was 95 feet (29 meters) long, describes the rise of a powerful kingdom called Mira, which launched a military campaign led by a prince named Muksus from Troy.
Eh, the use of "Wilusa" alone means its probably a forgery. Why would the Luwians use the same exact form of the same exact name for the city that the Hittites used?
Daniel Ramirez
Hittites wrote in Luwian too, that's not the point, Hittite and Luwian are sister languages so it's not weird that they called the city in the same way, what's weird is that there is no proof of the original inscription ever existing
Justin Ward
Why do all the Slavs have the same word for ear or walnut even tho they live far apart from eachother. It's plausible that they perhaps used the same words
Josiah Turner
Hmm.
Could be the 21st century equivalent to De Situ Britanniae or Ossian, i.e. total bullshit.
Adam Walker
>According to Mellaart's notes, the inscription was copied in 1878 by an archaeologist named Georges Perrot near a village called Beyköy in in Turkey. Shortly after Perrot recorded the inscription, villagers used the stone as building material for a mosque, according to Mellaart's notes. In the aftermath of the inscription being used as building material for the mosque, Turkish authorities searched the village and found three inscribed bronze tablets that are now missing. The bronze tablets were never published and it is not certain exactly what they say.
Fucking Turks.
Josiah Lee
Hittites and Luwians didn't even agree on the spelling of Hattushshash, why would they agree on some minor city in the Troad? They likely used a similar word, but the same exact spelling? Yeah, no.
Andrew Ramirez
Which Beykoi?
Wikipedia gives me like 6 of them
Luke Robinson
Yeah maybe They spelled it Wilushash big difference, also Wilusa wasn't minor, it is mentioned like 30 times in Hittite texts
David Ortiz
>Yeah maybe They spelled it Wilushash big difference,
So you now agree with me that the fact the tablet uses the Hittite form is suspicious?
>also Wilusa wasn't minor, it is mentioned like 30 times in Hittite texts
And Hattushshash was the imperial capital yet Hittites and Luwians had different names for it.
Robert Rogers
Turks are descendants of Trojans and it is up to them to decide whatever they want to do with its remains
Leo Ortiz
Wilusa was probably the native Luwian name and Hittites just burrowed it
Kevin Young
>Turks are descendants of Trojans
Yeah, no. Turks are steppe trash who are squatting on rightful Indo-European clay.
Day of the Roach-trap soon.
Luis Reed
Sure, which is what the Greeks did, except that when THEY wrote down the name, they spelled it "Ilios". And the Greeks lived right next door and had regular direct contact, while the Hittites had only sporadic diplomatic contact, so it's likely the Greek version is closer to the Luwian name than the Hittite one.
David Cruz
>scholar in obscure field fields mysterious tablet that contains a sequel to the Iliad exposing an as-yet unknown chapter of history >oops, guess he ""lost"" the tablets >but look he has this drawing that he says someone else made at some point, and you can't /prove/ that he's making it all up so it must be true!
Yeah, nothing incredibly suspicious about this at all.
Gabriel Barnes
The Greeks wrote down the Iliad 500 years after these event
Cameron Cox
Sure but the path from Mycenean Greek to Homeric Greek is well-known and it is trivial to reconstruct the Mycenean name from Homeric Ilium: Wilios. Clearly this is related to Wilusa, but equally clearly it is no identical.
Cooper Howard
And where was this "inscription" found?
Robert Nelson
I don't know, maybe the article just said Wilusa but the name in the inscription was somewhat different
Even if I'm very skeptic about this whole thing, for once the name Mira never appears among the invading sea people, which is weird if they had so many ships
Secondly 500 ships seem like major bullshit, the Persians which had an empire extending from Afghanistain to Western Turkey only gathered a fleep of 200 ships against the Greeks, but a shitty barely know kingdom allied with some literally whos city states is able to produce 500 ships?
Chase Bennett
>Secondly 500 ships seem like major bullshit
To play devil's advocate, that shouldn't signify jack shit. All kingdoms until recently would massively exaggerate the size of their forces or that of their foes.
Connor Diaz
Well the actual story could be bullshit without the tablet being a fake, look at Rameses victory stele that commemorates what was actually his DEFEAT at the hands of the Hittites at Qadesh. But the sheer coincidence of the one guy on Earth who could translate (or fake!) it just happening to find something as sensational as Iliad Part Two and then "accidentally" "misplacing" these priceless tablets is too vast to ignore.
Robert Butler
Well Ramses' story wasn't fake, he did fight the Hittite empire and managed to survive and bring his ass back home, he exaggerated of course but it's still pretty much real
Lucas Peterson
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Levi Adams
Sure and this guy, if he existed at all, probably really did have some ships and really did knock some heads in.
Jace Lewis
>and they say autism is harmless...
Cooper Peterson
>Turks are steppe trash who are squatting on rightful Indo-European clay. indo-europeans come from the steppe, brainlet
Samuel Ramirez
The problem is the inscription being fake, while you can still read Ramses II's account on the battle of Kadesh if you take a plane to Egypt
Asher Kelly
And Americans come from Earth, but you still wouldn't refer to one as a human.
Easton Brooks
It happens very often, can't dismiss it completely just in those basis.
Carter Campbell
If it were true it would be Incredible but it sounds like bullshit
David Lee
>oops, guess he ""lost"" the tablets More like "oops, guess the Turks destroyed it"
Isaac Thomas
You mean >oops, looks like I claimed the Turks destroyed it, nevermind that I have zero evidence for this or even that it existed in the first place!
Austin Lopez
I don't even get it, where does this "inscription" even came from?
Bentley James
Some what obsure, and as a news paper article nothing to count on. I think we have to wait till december when it's published and see wait the experts say about the authetecy of the Text and the trustworthyness of finder/guy who had the copy in his basment
Ryder Mitchell
Many western turks are basically greeks and look indo-european
Jonathan Ross
All the known Hittite documents which mention Wilusa are written in Luwian
Andrew Gutierrez
excellent
James Gray
>De Situ Britanniae o the trojans all lived in Itarly after the destruction of their city.
Hudson Jackson
Epic
>no genetic evidence >no archaeological evidence
Guess we're gonna trust the Greeks on this one, the guys that, when they found Luwian inscription of kings, they said they were Egyptian pharaohs who conquered all of Anatolia and parts of Europe
Elijah Edwards
>look indo-european
Alexander Stewart
If you ever accuse western turks of being wh*Te subhumans i'll rape your mother
Adam Long
what a qt3.14
Jason Nguyen
Actual Turks maybe, not the anatolian plague and the fucking kurd niggers that make up 70 percent of the population when combined
Daniel Davis
Well, for something important, they'd develop their own way of doing it, for something minor, they might say fuck it, we'll just call it what those assholes call it.