Role of media in promoting genocide throughout history

Prove it.

Turn on your TV.

You know the rpf is also pretty messed to?

Goebbels tried to have Der Sturmer because he thought its content was so disgusting. Its staple was lurid accounts and cartoons of Jewish men raping and sexually abusing German women. Unsurprisingly, its main readerbase were teenage boys (probably all masturbating to Jewish girls because it was exotic and forbidden) and sexual perverts.

croatian serbs were basicaly trolled by belgrade tv stations into organising, arming and preemptively striking against a genocidal fascist croat armada that didnt realy exist at that point, but that sure helped the hos and zng form in record time

That's pretty fucked up, although I don't really get how doing this would end up leading to a death sentence in a war crimes tribunal.
Did he have a position in the government that allowed him to spread his propaganda via the government? In that case I could see it being a crime.

>although I don't really get how doing this would end up leading to a death sentence in a war crimes tribunal.
>Did he have a position in the government that allowed him to spread his propaganda via the government?
No, in fact he was purged out of any official responsibilities in the late 30s and placed under house arrest.

His sentence was the most controversial of the Nuremberg trials, and was most probably motivated by pure anti-nazi sentiment than any actual wrongdoing.

Huh, that is rather peculiar.
Not like the world really misses him but I feel like something like that might set a bad precedent against free speech in the future (even though it was from someone so despicable).

Well the Nuremberg Trials were pretty much a Kangaroo court anyways.

I find it hilarious that everyone used to give Bill Clinton shit for "not stopping the Rwandan Genocide" when Rwanda has never been in the American sphere of influence, but the French and Belgian ones. Most college educated Americans can't find Rwanda on a map of Africa now, even fewer back in 1994.

Seriously, these neoliberal champagne socialist faggots expect the President to send American boys to die intervening in a war in a country the U.S. has historically had little to no substantial relationship with?

If anything, they should be complaining to the French and Belgians for not doing anything to stop it rather than laying the blame on Clinton and Roméo Dallaire.

t. unironic Far Right /pol/lack who fucking hates Clinton

Bad goy the Clintons are /ourguys/

He was executed because he couldn't keep his damn mouth. Every time he was on the witness stand, Streicher just ranted about "Jews this, Jews that, the judges are all hook-nosed kikes" and so forth rather than actually defend himself or at least remain silent. When the judges found out he had been present at meetings where the ongoing Final Solution was being discussed, they were more than happy to deem him an accessory to murder and have him executed.

If he had faked repentance like Speer or at least not gone out of his way to piss everyone off, he probably could've gotten off and could right back to publishing his newspaper (it wasn't an official Nazi publication so he could've possibly gotten it reinstated).

The thing is, in a normal judicial system, you shouldn't receive the death penalty just because you're being obnoxious.

Wow, Clinton really does look frail.

You would if you're being put on trial for conspiracy to commit murder (that's basically what Crimes Against Humanity is, just in a larger scale) and the prosecution manages to find even the flimsiest evidence that you were actually engaged in said conspiracy.

The only way you really avoid be nailed under RICO is to announce your intent to withdraw from the conspiracy to ALL persons involved.

Crimes against humanity is a meme offense invented to kill off the nazi leadership after ww2.

The fact remains that they executed someone for basically posting anti-jewish memes.

What they did to the hutus refuges hiding in Zaire was pretty evil and literally no one cared.

Yeah, as much as I despise Clinton I'm glad he chose not to intervene in Rwanda. There was absolutely no reason we should have been involved there (outside of retards wanting us to be the world's police).
Shame the same couldn't be said of his other foreign exploits.

Well it didn't help that the someone in question went full retard and chose to validate every cartoonish negative perception of Nazis with his behavior.

Was the death penalty for Streicher excessive? Yes. Do I feel sorry for him? Not in the slightest, he dug his own grave.

It was more than just excessive. It was a complete travesty of justice. And I too, despise him and do not care that he died. But it set an incredibly dangerous precedent: he was killed because he published offensive memes. He should've been acquitted. He was a literal brainlet who had no influence whatsoever in the nazi government.

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Any member of a government that denies justice to others has no right to claim their treatment after sending the world into a global war is unjust.

Do you also think Kaiser Wilhelm should've been executed?

It's not even that he had foreign interventions that pisses me off, it's how he did it that angers me.

He spent his first term with a half-hearted commitment in the Balkans because of the "Serb genocide of Bosnians" (of course disregarding the fact the Bosnians were implicated in the exact same thing) and when he finally did take action, it all "muh airstrikes, no boots on the ground" even though bombing the shit out of Serb cities did nothing to alleviate the suffering of Bosnian Muslims and Kosovars. If anything, the bombings intensified it because it infuriated Serbs who lashed out at the closest thing they could reach. The only thing the bombing accomplished as more corpses to the bodycount, the destruction of Serbian infrastructure, and Yugoslavia as a whole (some might argue that was the true intent all along, but that's a different story).

It's one thing to refuse to get involved at all or have an intervention like Panama or even the first Gulf War (to a certain extent) where the conflict is resolved swiftly and decisively. But to commit yourself to someone else's war, and not have the resolve to see it through is the worst of both worlds.

TL;DR go all the way or better yet, don't go at all

To further elaborate...

Frankly, I think the Balkans was a contributing factor to the abysmal performance of the United States in Afghanistan and Iraq It made George W. Bush and later Barrack Obama think they could get away with fighting the War on Terror on the cheap without substantial commitment in both manpower and willpower.

Not him but I did just that. I don't see a single bit of content advocating the mass murder of white Americans.

>IT WAS DA EVIL RADIO WHO MADE ME MURDER AND RAPE LITTLE KIDS
Do negroes truly have no agency?

>when you make the homo judges so assblasted they literally hang you for shitposting
My nigga Streicher

Film played a big role in Nazi Germany, specifically in dehumanising the Jews. Often images of rats and insects were used. To be fair, Nazi Germany had some exceptionally well-made cinema that is still studied today.

Kys

>spent 90% of last moments on Earth cursing the Jews
>made sure the very last words were expressing his love for his wife

Can you get any more of a contrarian faggot?

At least Ribbentrop wished for World Peace™, Kaltenbrunner, Frick, Jodl, and Inquart declared their love for Germany, Hans Frank asked for God's mercy, Keital declared that he was about to be reunited with his sons, and Rosenberg simply remained silent.

the soviet influence in the trial was the really draconian aspect of it, the soviet represerntative who i cant remember rn essentially pushed for death penalties for whoever they could round up, without proper trial
he was the main reason (along with the french to an extent) as to why the trials didn't involve juries, and instead were decided by judges

I mean, wouldn't it be more contrarian for a nazi to be asking for world peace instead of cursing out jews?

Well they acquitted three of the defendants and dropped charges on a fourth so they weren't entirely unreasonable.

And frankly the United States was only reason there even trials to begin with. Germans should be glad they did not invade the United States and butcher 1/6th of its population like they did the Soviets or else there would have been nothing restraining the Allies from turning into a literal lynch mob.

>"FUCKING KIKES REEEEE"
>"Oh yeah and I love my wife"

Can't get any more contrarian than that.

I'm just saying he could hate them while also loving his wife (not sure if she was jewish herself which in that case it would be contrarian).

When a Jewish man has sex with a woman, his semen enters and swims around in her blood stream, so that even if she has sex with another man, the baby will be the Jewish man's.

To be fair, the judges at Nuremberg themselves had no role in his death. They just posted 'anti-streicher memes'

Goering at least tried to pretend he was a supervillain.

Wasn't he the guy who got the lowest IQ out of all the ones tested during the nuremberg trials?

Yep, a mere 106. Hjalmar Schacht, who was acquitted (and not even a Nazi really) scored the highest at 143.

TIME TO KILL THE TALL TREES
GOD IS JUST
THE COCKROACHES ARE DYING

Sounds like the alt-right.

America had and has the worst war propaganda in recorded history.

IQ is irrelevant

>If he had faked repentance like Speer or at least not gone out of his way to piss everyone off

that sounds hilarious someone should make a virgin repentance vs chad martyrdom meme of this

>Any member of a government that denies justice to others has no right to claim their treatment after sending the world into a global war is unjust

you realize how hypocritical this sounds right? we are totally the arbiters and champions of justice but when you are such a BAD BAD guy we will not give you any, only pursue vindictive revenge

you don't even need to turn on the tv, just look anywhere on the internet
even on Veeky Forums its like 40% nonwhites trying to convince themselves they are white, 40% nonwhites with some kind of weird inferiority complex that causes them to lash out and hate whites, and 10% whites trying to convince themselves the ones that hate them are just some small minority

Pretty alpha desu
And these guys were supposed to be the untermensch?

>the guy who fucked up Hitler's meme alliance with Britain and helped create the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact wishing for world peace is less contrarian than a man who hated Jews loving his non-Jewish wife
what the fuck?

>Konstantin von Neurath gets convicted of every charge in the indictment
>15 years in prison

>Julius Streicher gets convicted of 1 charge and executed just because the judges hated him
this is the power of shitposting

the current anti-white media push

Brainlet detected.

To be fair, Hitler had Neurath sacked for being "too lenient" and he later had contacts with the German resistance so that might have saved him from a hanging.

>butcher 20% of a countries population and order the genocide of the rest
>b-but muh fair trial!

Where are you getting these statistics, and how are they promoting genocide?

>neoliberal and socialist in the same sentence

>nonwhites with some kind of weird inferiority complex that causes them to lash out and hate whites

You take the turk shitposting seriously?

To be honest Streicher wasn't the type to play along and just answer the questions honestly. He probably believed psychoanalysis was just a Jewish invention anyway (not that he would be far off but Streicher interpreted it in his own way).

CNN

imo Streicher realized he had already sealed his own fate with the vile crap he had been printing and decided to try and make himself a martyr rather than appearing to be weak and begging for mercy from the victors.

I think you're giving him too much credit

The way Rwanda fucked over the Congo twice is pretty amazing imo (and they still fuck with them to this day). Paul Kagame's got some serious fucking determination.

What about half-whites like me that just want to live my life and hate commies?

You are a commie my child.

By what line of reasoning did you come to this conclusion?

Most anti-communists want you dead.
Good luck with that.

And for that reason I should turn to Communism? I'll take my chances.

Elaborate please. I was aware of the rawanda Uganda dynamic, where does Congo come into all this and how is it being fucked?

Ironically enough, one of the executioners died in the Korea War a few years later.

Going to bump this so that I can reply in more detail later. Long story short Mobutu of Zaire was good friends with the former Hutu government of Rwanda, and when the Hutu's lost the civil war a large chunk of the Hutu dominated gov't and military fled intact into Zaire. From there they launched raids into Rwanda armed and backed by Mobutu. Kagame and the RPF repeatedly told Mobutu to knock off the support for the Hutu's, and when that didn't work the Rwandans decided Mobutu needed to go. With that they assembled a large coalition of African countries (Uganda for the armor support, Angola and Zimbabwe for air support, plus Namibia and a handful of Eritreans for the lulz) and steamrolled Zaire in a very short amount of time. This was the first Congo War. The second was an absolute clusterfuck that I'll get into later.

>mfw I wrote a long-ass post then accidentally deleted it
Need to start pre-writing these. Alright, first read pic related, it goes into all the lovely little details. Best I can paraphrase is
>The RPF and Kagame primarily wish to exterminate the Hutu rebel groups operating on the Zairean border, and by exterminate I mean reverse-genocide for what happened to the Tutsis
>The RPF also wants Mobutu gone and replaced with a leader more pliable to Rwandan interests
>Enter Laurent Kabila, a washed up old Marxist revolutionary whom Che Guevara described as unreliable and not very bright
>Only really significant because he had waged a long guerrilla war against Zaire and fought in the Congo Crisis thus having a small bit of legitimacy for Rwandan support
>The Rwandans pick him up and install him as the nominal "leader" of a Rwandan backed rebel coalition called the Alliance of Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Congo
>This was a very broad alliance featuring ethnic Tutsis living in the Congo as well as many other minorities, disgruntled Congolese who were pissed with Mobutu, and even old Katangese gendarmes who were still willing to take up arms again
>The Rwandans armed and trained said group and for all intents and purposes lead them (with apparent logistical support from the US)
>Meanwhile Mobutu and his extremely corrupt government do not see the disaster forming on their eastern borders, confident that little Rwanda was no threat and that their military could deal with any problems (while ignoring the fact that it was extremely undisciplined, massively underpaid (or very often unpaid), and lead by officers who were promoted based on loyalty to whoever was in charge in Kinshasa
>By this point the Rwandans had a perfect proxy army and widespread regional support.
>Zimbabwe would provide some logistical aid and some air support (Mugabe wanted dem minerals and diamonds in the Congo, plus the Zimbabwean military still had some potency as a fighting force)

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>Angola eagerly wanted to see Mobutu gone for his continued support for UNITA, and also wanted to use the invasion as an excuse to move into Zaire and eliminate UNITA elements using the country as a staging ground
>Uganda and Burundi were closely aligned with Rwanda and had no problems joining the group
>Uganda's leadership in particular had forged close ties with Rwanda's RPF, so that was an added incentive
>Plus unofficially annexing Congolese territory for resources and security
>Namibia provided some minimal and moral support, as did a few other nations like Eritrea (mainly a few technical advisors)
Not going to go into the war's details since that's more of a /k/ thing, but again to summarize
>The Rwandan-backed coalition steamrolls the Zairean military and takes the country in the span of 6 months, not bad considering the vast majority of soldiers moved on foot in a country the size of western Europe
>The Zairean military very rarely offered meaningful resistance, and more often than not ran at the first sign that they were going to lose
>Mobutu tried to hire mercenaries, only managed to secure some former French Foreign Legionnaires and quite a few Serbs
>This did nothing to stem the tide as the French quickly realized that the rebels were much, much stronger than the Zairean military
>The Serbs spent most of their time getting drunk and randomly executing people they thought were rebels and crashing vehicles/aircraft
>Mobutu flees, the AFDL marches into Kinshasa, and everyone in the coalition is quite happy initially
>Kabila is initially greeted with widespread approval and is seen as a man who will lead the new DRC into a bright new future
>Until he starts violently cracking down on any form of dissent while proving himself to be as corrupt as Mobutu
>Kabila acted like the Cold War was still going on, and spouted Marxist quips in a world where less and less people were giving a shit

>What did Kabila in was when he finally turned on his Rwandan backers
>The Rwandan army still had troops in Kinshasa, and were rather reluctant to pull out until they had finished killing as many Hutu refugees in the Congo as possible (they ended up killing upwards 200,000 of them)
>Kabila rails against what he saw as foreign occupiers and demanded that the Rwandans pull out
>The RPF and Kagame are less than pleased at this turn of events
>Eventually, they come to the conclusion that if it worked the first time it will work the second time
>Form another proxy rebel group in the Congo
>Call up the countries from the first coalition to back them
>Except this time Namibia, Angola, and Zimbabwe want no part in it because they like Kabila and because of their new business investments
>Rwanda still gets Burundi and Uganda on board, and figures that's good enough
>Kicks off the 2nd Congo War in a surprise paratrooper attack (pic related) near Kinshasa
>This causes the Angolans to freak the fuck out when they realize that there are Rwandan troops near their border
>Immediately deploy armored and mechanized units into the Congo in support of Kabila (though they mainly hang around the western part of the country for the war, they don't sortie out very much)
>Meanwhile as the Rwandan-backed rebels push into the Congo (the Congolese military under Kabila wasn't doing too much better than their Zairean predecessors) Zimbabwe commits a large chunk of its military to aid Kabila
>This includes aircraft, tanks, and quite a large number of soldiers
>There are now more than Six African nations with varying agendas fighting in the Congo
>War drags on since the Rwandan coalition is having a significantly harder time fighting against Zimbabwean/Congolese/Angolan troops who have actual support
>Meanwhile the Ugandans and Rwandans have a falling out

>In 2001 Kabila is assassinated by one of his bodyguards (it is heavily implied that the Rwandans were behind this)
>His son Joseph Kabila comes to power
>Eventually negotiates a ceasefire as the war had become a military stalemate
>Everyone pulls their respective military out
>While still funding their various proxy Congolese movements
>End result is that the Rwandans are still fucking the Congo over by funding multiple rebel groups in the East
>The Ugandans still militarily occupied chunks of the Congo for several years
>The Angolans still rooted around for UNITA
>Zimbabwe ended up basically ruining itself by having to pay for a war it could not afford while gaining nothing from its diamond/mineral ventures
>The Zimbabwean military has still not recovered from its material losses
>Congo still remains fucked, though Joseph Kabila is a bit better than his dad
That's as best I can do to sum it up.

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I'm the user you are replying to and I really, really appreciate you spending time and effort to share this with us. Thanks.

Only question, did really 200000 refugees die at the hands of Kagame's forces? I mean, that's the size of a metropolitan city, it woukd have been impossible to hide that many bodies. Plus, I have never remote heard mention of this in any news about Kagame'

>Did 200,000 refugees really die
We don't know for sure, the Rwandans were still receiving a lot of aid and still had a very strong victim card so they had that going for them in the PR department. Furthermore, the world wasn't really paying much attention to the shit going down in the Congo. There were of course the usual NGO's and press that did show up but the Rwandans tightly controlled where they could go. Most sources we have on this are Hutu survivors, third party sources (UN, press, NGO's) happening upon Hutu mass graves, and Congolese who saw the killings. The Congolese were surprisingly okay with it because the Rwandans systematically only targeted Hutu's in the refugee camps and tried to make sure they didn't kill anyone else
>In one exchange a Congolese villager complained about the killing of Hutu's in a refugee camp that was also situated next to his villager
>The Rwandan officer asked him if he could find a Congolese body amongst the dead, if so he would shoot one of his own men as recompense
>The Congolese were astounded to find not a single person from their village had been harmed
Kagame and the RPF were ruthless as fuck when they needed to be. I personally believe it very easily could have been 200,000 or more Hutu dead, the Rwandans were very thorough about this. You have to understand just how much planning went into the first Congo War and the Hutu Refugee camp exterminations, the Rwandan high command weren't like most of their neighbors. The higher ranked officers were held to a very strict standard, and this was passed to the lower ranks. Communications were rather advanced for an African army, Rwandan officers coordinated using laptops and secured radios/phones and were constantly in touch with each other. Mix that with harsh discipline and you essentially have a sort of African Prussia/Singapore. The Rwandans do lack in the air and armor department, but they have by far the best infantry/officers in the region.

What, where?

He's baiting. Next he's gonna pull sweetieposting on you.

>Seriously, these neoliberal champagne socialist faggots expect the President to send American boys to die intervening in a war in a country the U.S. has historically had little to no substantial relationship with?
I agree, still didn't stop that faggot from bombing Serbia.

>The Congolese were astounded to find not a single person from their village had been harmed
How the fuck is this even possible. How did they differentiate between Congolese and Hutu? I mean, by this time the Hutu must have acculturated enough to be indistinguishable from the Hutu in terms of dialect and accent.

Also, aren't(weren't?) the Hutu the majority, can't they just kick the Tutsis ass once again and take over the country?

Regional language differences, ethnic features, the fact that most refugee camps (even the ones close to villages) had distinct boundaries, and the fact that if someone's hauling ass away from you in a very serious manner then they're probably Hutu.
>by this time the Hutu must have acculturated enough to be indistinguishable from the Hutu in terms of dialect and accent.
What did you mean by that?
>Can't they kick the Tutsis ass
Lolno, the military would kill the shit out of them. The current government/military is mostly Tutsis with several Hutu's loyal to the government. The overwhelming majority of the Interahamwe/Hutu Power guys are still in the Congo (the ones that didn't get killed) and they do occasionally launch raids. The legacy of the genocide is still very strong, if a Hutu majority group took power by force the rest of the world may frown upon it.

I don't get it, was his wife Jewish or something?

Yeah you fucking Red animal, that's kind of the whole point and why people are beginning to consider your kind worse than the Nazis.

Modern anti-white bias in media

They acquitted four of the defendants and gave significantly lower sentences to several more.

I'd say they were pretty fair all things considered.