Why did European art become so awful for a time?

Have you considered that art goes through trends and what's beautiful is actually subjective?

Classical art focused on the beauty of the piece itself vs late Imperial and early medieval art focusing on the message piece is conveying.

This trend starts up as Emperors stop being considered "the first citizen" to literal gods on Earth. The more important a figure is the: more centered they are in the piece, the larger they are in relation to others, the higher they stand in relation to others.
This trend continues when the Empire converts to Christianity. Christ and Saints will almost be the center of whatever piece they are a part of.
Lastly, this style is not Islamic. The Islamic world took this style of art straight from late Imperial art styles

>The Islamic world took this style of art straight from late Imperial art styles
So it appealed to Muslims. That's almost as bad.

And before you judge every mosaic of the early Christian era to look like OP, here is another from the same period in Italy.

The difference I guess is the more Greeco-Byzantine style in the Justinian portrait compared to the more Roman in pic related.

It's grotesque.

> Emperor Justinian I the Great
> TÜRK
Go suck sultan Erdogan cock roach

>wh*Te subhuman in charge of reading comprehension

It's better. Get over it.

art was focused on depicting icons instead of realism

The reason Byzantine and Coptic style religious art looks in a way that's a little weird is that it's supposed to be in a way that communicates the subject's mastery of their passions, so as to inspire lack of passions in the viewer. That's why they usually lack expression, because they're supposed to be totally calm.

Also, there gets to be a problem when you make art that looks realistic for religious purposes: How do you portray Christ, or the Virgin Mary without depicting them as perfect, immaculate figures? You don't want to make your religious imagery physically attractive in a religion that dislikes lust.

Here's a modern Ukrainian Catholic image of the Virgin Mary. You can see how someone might be inspired with a different feeling than chastity and reverence.

This is your brain. This is your brain on Christianity.

Hence the Islamic comparison

>it looks downright Islamic.

It looks absolutely nothing like Islamic art at all which emphasized geometric patterns and denounced portraits, figures, and graven images.

I think it looks nice, actually. It has an aesthetic stylized look to it, making him almost look like an anime or comic book character. Just because it isn't realistic doesn't make it bad.

>tfw internet, anime and porn fucked your brain so much that you find Mary in that image hot enough for fap

>being attracted to a fertile looking woman is fucked up
Are you fucking stupid?

Not him, but I don't even want to imagine how sinful it is to lust after the Virgin Mary.

He's so fucked up that the most fucked up thing about him is what he thinks is and isn't fucked up. A common case. The real fucked up part is masturbating.

>cucktians

I don't like Muslims but Islamic art at its peak was pretty fucking aesthetic. I don't think any other building can top Islamic architecture at its peak.

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>sin

Fuck wh*Tes

i wonder what beautiful things OP has created

Fucking hell, I need to fly to Iran and smuggle some LSD with me.

the Persio-Islamic tradition really was something

Late Antiquity is best Antiquity

Was it Christian influence or Germanic/Slavic influence?

Middle Eastern actually.

christianity is middle eastern, dummy.

I, a complete layman, realize that that is perfectly normal Byzantine art or whatever. Islamic art tends not te depict people or resemble OP pic at all. This is moronic, low-quality posting. delet this.

That's Hellenistic era art you retard.
Google Greek mosaic.

neither, that is a mosaic even before christianity, mosaics were like that, they kep their art but all got destroyed by turks

>Justinian
>Hellenistic Era

The real sin is worshipping Mary, not masturbating to her (also a sin but a lesser one).

Art critic Kenneth Clark said that the art of Byzantium was static (like Islam) because of its entirely paternalistic society, culture and religion. It ignored the feminine principle. The genius of Catholicism was elevating the Virgin Mary - bringing a harmonious balance of the sexes in their cultural/spiritual worldview. This balance was the reason why Catholic Italy produced the finest artists in history, whereas Byzantium produced none of note.

Orthodox mosaics look autistic as fuck, that's all

>icons
>grave images

No.

Looks like a rich clown's house.

My first thought.

The art, not Justinian.

>Islam forbids depiction of people
That's where your wrong kiddo

That's Persian. The Persians were initially not as strict as Arabs in following the Islamic forbidding of human beings and animals in art. Ottoman Turks also ignored the rule.

kek'd

all that reminds me of is the bit fancier public bathrooms at airports and shit.
>different colored bathroom tiles
waow!

All themes meme answers Jesus Christ.

Real answer:
Antiquity had Point perspective in drawings, this was lost and then regained by Brunelleschi during the renaissance - who made the Florentine roof for the Medici's. He "rediscovered" point perspective by creating it from scratch himself (Genius)'

Veeky Forums is so fucking retarded.
t. /pol/ browsing knows more Veeky Forums than /his.

>art history major
Kill yourself libfaggot
You are not real /pol/

t. Tradie earning more than you

Kek when did I say I was an art history major?

I study theology you cuck. Don't assume. Also:
>Being this unabashedly brazen about an assumption

It's called reading into things you don't know about, try it sometime.

>I study theology you cuck
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD

DUDE WITHOUT WOMEN ART TOTALLY SUCKS SO UHHHHH WORSHIP MARRY!

calm down cenk

>Mosaics, an art form usually associated with the Romans
>Islamic
Hurr?

Mosaics are one of the most ancient of Roman arts, you cretin.

Another thread turned to shit.

You can only get good threads here by talking about really obscure things so that random retards don't try to pitch in

This is really true. That's why generals almost always turn to shit. You have to pick a very specific topic that actually requires some research to have enough knowledge to make a good post.

Why the fuck do they look East Asians

As if it wasn't already.

>byzantine art is sh-
because it's a fucking mosaic, you idiot. Try to make a realistic portrait of people with colored pieces of rocks and show the results

Without mentioning, byzantine art is really fucking good

because a notable portion of the muslim population at one point were the steppe nomads in central asia, which did most likely look like that
also there were muslim turkic/central asian migrations to iran and india

turkic influence

are you dominican

Miniature painting became a thing following the Mongol invasions, so Persian miniatures were based on Chinese ones until the 16th century

the better question is why are cave paintings more realistic than any medieval animal art

I love that church. Late Roman architecture is neat as hell.

Looks islamic. Amazing how Europeans were better at making art 2000 years before this was made.

Okay fuck it, can someone please explain to me wtf t*is with the * means? What the fuck?

Turks really, really, really hate Kurds. They try to wipe them out every few years and the Kurds just retreat into the mountains and commit acts of terror until the Turkish government gives them more welfare. The Turkish government backed ISIS and the Kurds sent ISIS packing. Pretty much anything a Turk has to be proud of was done by a Kurd. They really, really, really hate them. They hate them so much that Turks refuse to type "Kurd" and instead say "K*rd".

So un/int/elligents started calling Turks "T*rks" to fuck with them and it made them go berserk so now they sperg about "Wh*tes" and "Bl*cks" and "*r*bs".

>no hats for sale

Another piece of 6th century Byzantine art.

le ebin trel XDDDD

Looks islamic. I'm sorry but Greeks were better at art 2000 years before that was made

>looks islamic
>muslims literally cannot depict people

Looks like shit just like Muslim art

how can you say that art look islamic?
even before christianity, they had that art

It's a Millennial mentality. Don't try to make sense of it.

>degenerate Christianity strikes again

>looks islamic
>its a picture of jesus

>middle eastern man looks islamic
Who would have thought

>2000 years before the 6th century
wow i love mycenean art

>Calling gilded mosaic Islamic
just kys desu. Also it's quite obviously eastern Christian Europe isn't just France and Spain .

Looks fine to me. You sound like a buthurt c*tholic

Because it's persian. Persian depictions of people looked almost Indian like most depictions of Buddha

OP post something you have created. I guarantee it will be dogshit compared to these "grotesque" and "foreign" works you decry.

Chr*stianity taught modesty and humiliation of one's ego. Realistic, material, flattering works of art depicting people were considered unholy and sinful.
This is the whole "slave morality" concept that Nietzsche coined. According to Christian morality, victimhood is victory, sex is bad and celibacy is good, inferiority is superiority, and in the case of art, ugliness is beauty.

GRAVEN images you illiterate fuck. Just stop posting.

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>Veeky Forums - History & Humanities

Jesus Christ you guys are retarded. Have you ever read about byzantine philosophy/theology and why they emphasise symbolism rather than realism?

Can we ban retards on this sub please? I'm so sick of this shit.

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