Perón, Fascism and the Latin American left

How did Perón, a literal fascist who implemented lots of Mussolini's policies and literally called the communists and other "left" ideologies cancer and their followers idiots, become an idol of the Argentinian and South American "socialists"/communist parties?

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Because he did everything very literally.

because he actualy loved his country and did not caused its collapse like Ziochet.

because there´s a nationalist left in Latin America

Leftists realized he was fucking up Argentina which is fact what they were planning to do themselves

actually he used leftist youth movements to create unrest for him to come back to power, then he told them to fuck off and died

I wouldn't call Kirschnerists communists or socialists. It's a mass movement, that figured out the way to have the poor people to vote for you is to give them money and to endorse Peron. That's it.
The actually left political parties try to distance themselves from it in general.

Pinochet > Peron

t. cuck

Argentine Socialist Party (which was actually very moderate akin to Australian Labour) and the centrist UCR were blocked from winning elections by a series of coups in the 1930s and 1940s which destabilized Argentina (until 1930 democracy had been very solid with 70 years of constitutional rule and no coups whatsoever). Perón became Minister of Labour in 1943 and "stole" many socialist proposals (welfare state, female suffrage, paid vacations) basically stealing the Socialist Party powerbase (working class and lower-middle-class, mostly recent Italian immigrants).

When he was overthrown in 1955, he had become associated with the implementation of the Argentine welfare state and other socialist ideas (he also went much further than the Socialist Party would have gone), even though he was a closet fascist.

From exile he supported both left-wing and far-right groups that wanted him back in power, intentionally fostering this confusion. Then when he returned and won the elections again he sided with the right-wing of his party and basically crushed the leftists.

Thanks to him Argentina is now Eastern Europe tier rather than Australia tier as it was up to the 1930s-1940s.

He was a con artist and a completely evil person that singlehandedly ruined one of the wealthiest Western countries.

>welfare state, female suffrage, paid vacations
I should add, even today Peronist propaganda tries to claim it is "thanks to Peron" that Argentina has these things (normal post-war policies that exist in every other Western country), assuming these would not have been naturally implemented by the centrist UCR or the Socialist Party had they been allowed to run for elections in the 1930s and 1940s.

They also ignore how Peronist statism was commie-tier and went much further than these policies, essentially fucking up the economy.

Have fun with your retarded argie economy

>t. chicano
Still better than your average chicano homeland

>Argentina used to have some of the best standards of living in the world while Chile was one of the poorest countries at the moment
>now Chile managed to surpass Argentina in virtually every relevant metric
Realmente activa mis almendras

>now Chile managed to surpass Argentina in virtually every relevant metric
[This is what chileans actually believe]
When you get a higher GDP per capita than us and full literacy you can talk to your betters.

Also we have more than 200,000 immigrants from your country, feel free to take them back anytime

I love the way you completely ignored what I said before. Get rekt.

I think none of the socialist or communist parties in argentina are peronist.

Late peronism became leftist or rightist or even liberalist according to political climate

Peronism is literal populism, it doesn't cares about ideologies, just about dumb workers voting it

Both are garbage and hopefully are getting analed in hell

t. Chilean

weon culiao

Pinochet was a the hero the country needed but didn't deserve.
t. Chilean

CAMPORA AND SON DID IT

KILL ALL LEFTIES

Argentina is shittier than Eastern Europe. Who are you trying to fool?

A good % of argie leftists identify with Peronism because the official hard left never wins elections here. Perón being a fascist is something they don't want to admit.

you are right, not that it matters because socialist party has very little votes (and communists even less). but yeah historically the socialists were opposed to peronism.

>Le peronist boogeyman

The UCR and argentine social democrats are spineless pro jewish cucks

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Eastern Europe is very broad. It's much better than Romania or Ukraine, worse than Czech Republic.

According to the UN at least.

>let Peronists run country
>Peronists ruin country
>you know whose fault this is?
>the yank- I mean Jews
>if only the Peronists were here to save us

Literally the beaner version of Marx.

Just beautifull

> t. Chilean
Si weon. Seguro

CHI

>be liberal cuck
>missinterprets post as "peronism is infallible"

If their -UCR and the social-liberal parties- brand of statism was so good then how come they couldn't even win the elections?
How can one say "if x party had won we would be better" when they cannot win the election?

>the day of the rope
/pol/ tier

Can any argie tell me if Peron was really the problem, or if whatever thing peronism devolved into after his death was the true agent of decadence,

Sure mexbro.

corruption and nepotism prevent them from winning

Just admit democracy is inmoral and just doesn't work

>todo lo que me raja el ano no puede ser chileno
tremendo weon
prepárate ahora que se viene el Piñi de presidente :^)

A little of both, his party is personalism, caudillismo, populism and clientelism on steroids, adapting with every term.

Lol wtf. Argentina, Brazil, Chile and probably Uruguay too, all have higher HDI, economy, etc than most slav countries.

You should stop taking /pol/ memes seriously

Chile > Uruguay >>> Argentina >>> Brazil
The average slav country belongs between Argentina and Brazil.

>t. Chilean
See Argentina > Chile > Uruguay > Slavs > Brazil

@3511005
Oh you are the same chicano from the other day thread. No (You)s for you.

Brazil-Argentina-Chile > Uruguay > Slavs

Tbqhwy irmão

Do all Argentine political parties suck Peron's dick or is it just the main ones?

Is it across the spectrum or just the centre/right?

I'm not just saying Peronism is fallible, I'm saying it's an intrinsically terrible ideology and all Peronists, left and right, should be killed in front of their families.

Nah, I have only posted in this thread so far. Last time I talked about South America at Veeky Forums was a few months ago.
You owe me a (You) now.

No, Brazil is a shithole. Sure it's great at some parts, but they are a shithole as a whole. Uruguay and Chile are both on par, with Argentina being slightly behind.

The right wing parties at Argentina are actually the ones who don't suck his dick.

There's like 5 Slavic countries wealthier than literally anything in Latin America.

Argentina is wealthier than Chile, why do you keep repeating otherwise?

Macri's party isn't peronist. Radicals are a historical peronist's rival. Genuine communists and center socialists might recognize worker laws and stuff made by him but remain full communist/or socialist. Other meme parties (green party, humanist party, etc) are outside peronism as well.

The rest yes, are all peronism or radicalism offshots or just have him included to get voters.

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I live in Czech republic and even the best country in South America (Chile? Argentina?) is a complete, abominable shithole compared to my country, by every metric. It's just that we compare ourselves to Germany and Austria while you compare yourselves to Africa tier hellscapes like Bolivia and Peru so you end up thinking you're better than you actually are.

Chile has better living conditions.

Not really.

>abominable shithole
Not really, get off your high horse.

Yes, really.

Argentina went through like three financial collapses in the past three decades and a big percentage of the population lives in literal shanty towns. Argentinian murder rate is comparable to Afghanistan and Zimbabwe while Czech murder rate is lower than in Germany or UK. So yes really, an abominable shithole.

>Porn Republic
Wew lad

>porn is bad
Cathocuck prude spotted.

Oh wow, 0.8 more years of life expectancy.
You are right, Czech Republic is paradise.
I could be living 8 MORE MONTHS IN AVERAGE right now.

I best leave my Hellish shithole city (pic related) in Southern Patagonia right now and move to the Czech Republic.

PS: Neck yourself.

Czech Republic is probably the only ok slavic country because it has a german influence and culture and receives EU help. Otherwise all slav inhabited countries are africa tier AIDS ridden shitholes.

>Argentinian murder rate is comparable to Afghanistan and Zimbabwe while Czech murder rate is lower than in Germany or UK.
If you are going to bait at least make it credible or realistic.

Otherwise go back to

Literally the only thing produced in the Sex Republic are porn whores. And baldness.

Not even croatians or serbians fall this low.

He's not wrong, you know?

>If you are going to bait at least make it credible or realistic.
What bait?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Only Ukraine and Russia are AIDS ridden. The rest are either on par with western Europe or better.

>a big percentage of the population
Less than 3% of the population, mostly illegal immigrants just like your gypsies.

>Argentinian murder rate is comparable to Afghanistan and Zimbabwe
>Implying those countries report their real rates
Our murder rate is close to the USA.

>No mention of literacy, life expectancy, GDP per capita, etc where all the metrics are similar

Get off your high horse, there's not that much of a difference in living conditions.
And yes, I've been to Prague. Doubt you've been here otherwise you wouldn't be saying so much nonsense.

>you'll never live in Bariloche
>you'll be forever trapped in Moortugal

He is wrong, my chicano friend.

>where all the metrics are similar
You mean Czech republic is better in literally all of those.

Doesn't look like anything remarkable, literally just a random generic town. You're saying that thing can compete with Prague really?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
Let's see.
>Czech republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Greece, Russia, Latvia, Kazakhstan and fucking Turkey are ALL richer than Chile
>Argentina, 2nd best in Latin America, is poorer than Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria (the latter two are literal gypsy shitholes).
So get this, the very best country you could pull out is still worse than Kazakhstan. Latin American best is barely comparable to Eastern European worst.

>smallest mention of Argentina in any thread
>immediately, in a matter of seconds flooded by chicanos, """""europeans"""""" and people """""""""who lived there or know the friend of the friend of a friend who lived there"""""""" spewing shit and /pol/ stuff completely derailing the thread and deviating it from it's original subject
>always in a explicit buttblasted way full of ad-hominems
Why? It happens in every fucking board. Why are you so obsessed? Not even the anglos go this far.

Do you have a radar or something?

>You mean Czech republic is better in literally all of those.
Maybe, marginally, I'd have to check one by one. 8 more months life expectancy is not impressive. There's barely any difference, not enough to justify calling my country "shithole". I'd take that insult from a Swiss, not from the fucking Czech Republic.

You do realize people abroad see you as that Hostel movie right?

>Doesn't look like anything remarkable, literally just a random generic town
It is a small town.

>You're saying that thing can compete with Prague really?
I'm saying it's comfy as fuck.
Buenos Aires can probably kick the shit out of Prague, though.

Not that I care to compete with some poorfag Central European country that thinks it's the hot shit because it gets EU gibs.

> Less than 3% of the population, mostly illegal immigrants just like your gypsies.
Czech Republic is probably 25% gypsy counting mixed gypsies who identify as czech.

> I'd take that insult from a Swiss, not from the fucking Czech Republic.
Compared to you, we pretty much are Switzerland.
>You do realize people abroad see you as that Hostel movie right?
No, but it's cute that in your mind perception of others matters more than reality. Literal nigger mentality.
>Buenos Aires can probably kick the shit out of Prague, though.
Prague is one of the cleanest and safest cities in Europe and the world, Buenos Shitholes is some 3rd world dump that can go back to competing with Caracas and Kinshasa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
>Czech Republic - $17,562
>Argentina - $14,565
>Chile - $13,416

Wow what a HUGE difference.

>this thread

I wanted to talk about Perón, my dudes

South Americans have inferiority complexes so they feel the need to over expose themselves.
t. South American

>nominal
Didn't even click. Funny as fuck that even when you move the goalposts out the ballpark you're still poorer than us.

Projection. Shitskins pretending to be European is actually very much an Argentinian trait and genetic studies prove this.

>nominal
Argentines being blacks was supposed to be a meme, you know?

>Get $2.5 billion a year in EU gibs
>Have places that look like this
>Compare yourself to Switzerland
What did the Czech troll mean by this?

I'm not argentinian you stupid bydlo.

>all this Sudaca insecurity ITT

Still some Latin American Mordor probably.

I BET that Perón would never ever even consider trying to recover the farklands, I mean their belong to the UK by nature, and even Chile know that the shit tier arigies want every territory but they can’t even go to the mundial
Las Malvinas son inglesas boludos de mierda

I came here to talk read Peron, not to see /pol/cucks and /int/ards derailing a thread.

Is there a single Argentinia thread not flooded by trolls? Is like Indian stuff in /pol/.

Just fuck off back to your stupid board

The avaerege aregntinan can accept that the farklands belongs to the uk so yeah, you can imagine they can’t talk about real history over here

I don t give a fuck you stupid faggot. I came here to read about history and the thread topic, not to see you stupid polturds ruining every fucking thread in the board. Posting on /pol/ and /int/ should give you an instantly permaban on the rest of the site

Why are chileans so buttblasted about Argentina? We don't post in your threads. In fact we don't give a fuck about your country.

Don't worry son. Euroshits all hate us as well and also call us arrogant and all that shit. They mad cuz they don't have bidets.

Like father, is the son. We're both the most hated in our respective continents.

Btw prepare some space down there and some Beléns, the eternal Roman will move in masse again when the EU explodes. I'll bring all the pasta and olives you want.

As weird as it may sound communists are very nationalistic in the South Cone.

Sounds like a plan, dad. We'll be waiting for you with some fernet.

SOON

But I do like your country

I like yours too.
But let's sage this thread.

Bump

GRACIAS JUAN DOMINGO

He is directly responsible for about half of the evils that plague this country. A quarter of the rest he caused indirectly. And the last quarter are just unrelated.

>hurr we have 0.02 higher HDI
>you practically live in mudhuts lol
chileans baka

oh trust me you don't want to live in Bariloche

We are not. It's just argie pride blinding them from the truth and then getting mad when we tell them they are wrong.

They are also retarded.

>HDI isn't just the BEST, but the ONLY important of living conditions!
The HDI is flawed.

Not him but why?