Was slavery essential for America’s early survival?

Was slavery essential for America’s early survival?

>did niggers build the USA?

>did a pollack?

no

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everyone below me is retarded

But given the amount of labor needed to harvest cash crops like cotton and tobacco, did the early US have the population necessary to do so with willing labor? Would plantations have been able to remain profitable and therefore able to contribute to society with soley willing labor?

You clearly have no grasp of history so why are you on this board? To post edgy comments?

Depends what you mean.

Did the north have to accept slavery in the south to gain the allies they needed to gain independence from the British?

Yes.

Could Americans survive without slavery?

Yes.

Im here to learn

no, it didn't affect all region's economies, industrialization or cheap labor would have fixed it

But what would have happened to the north without southern agriculture? Did they have anything to offer the world market prior to industrialization?

>what would happen if they paid their workers?
the ecnomomy would probably grow and there would be a faster industrialization. Though the civil war would still happen

it wasn't essential overall but it did help depending on the region.

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>Could Americans survive without slavery?

I agree. It's easy to set up a underclass out o any group to be your labour class.

>what would happen if they paid their workers?
But the north did utilize paid labor over slavery, what I’m saying is the north had no cash crops because the climate would not allow them to grow. Without southern cotton, tobacco and sugar cane how would the US have gained economic independence? Was slavery necessary for harvesting these labor intensive crops? Were they even necessary for America’s economy later on?

>prior to industrialization
Timber, shipbuilding and fishing/whaling, for starters

No but that was fun. Have you never dreamed of lashing a qt just because she did something wrong?
Or for nothing?
"Faster! *shlash!* Filthy slave! *shlash!*"
"Slower! *shlash!* Filthy slave! *shlash!"
"Time to sleep! *shlash!* Have a good night. *shlash! shlash!* Filthy slave! *shlash!*".
Best lifetime seriously.

>Have you never dreamed of lashing a qt just because she did something wrong?
Not particularly. Ethical issues aside that would be like slashing your own tires to punish your car for breaking down

slavery was never truly an economic institution, but rather, a theological and legal one. Hence, the discussion of its economic effects must be taken with its theological and legal ones. Their enslavement was legal to the Gods as said by Schopenhaur, and theologically the USA was rewarded for keeping them as their punishment. So, without it, it would be disingenious to suggest that the USA would lose money, which it would, without saying that it was not becaused the slaves didn't work, but because they were not in the USA being punished.

The early days of slavery in the colonies were difficult. Slaves needed to constantly watched over and managed which was timely and costly to plantation owners. A slave could farm and process little cotton before the industrial revolution. So I would say that settlers and serfs were far more useful and essential to americas early survival. It is in the 1800's did plantations become sustainable and wealthy

>no fun

Not really, the system we had in place at the start could funciton perfectly well without it.

they helped but nah it was OIL and cars

everyone else arguing around the point instead of looking at ECONOMICS and VALUE are racist retards, but we knew that

Of course they could have been profitable. Either the prices of the goods would be inflated slightly, or the profits of the landowners would decrease slightly, but there's no reason to assume that it was impossible to run a farm and also pay your workers.

Really makes me think \pol\sters are all r\the_Donald kekhelds.

Yes, they were essential because that's all they are good at. Bein slaves. I tell ya, slavery was the best thing to happen to niggers. They had parties, ate food all day and had a good time, except for working.

No but it made it a hell of a lot easier

Slavery was a fucking mistake, God why didn't they abolish it in the constitution outright like they intended it too. Now look at all this bullshit we have to deal with.

would you say the same of a muslim nation? fucking koolaid drinking brainlet christian

>had a good time, except for working.
Which they did for like 12 hours+ a day

i think these are the right questions (did america need that money then) and the answer is civil war

yall survived the economic impact of a civil war, so you probably had way too much money if anything

Hush your mouth and learn your history boy, they had it good compared today. All you niggas today just rap and shoot guns, ya'll don't do nothing except complain.

because the union would have never worked in the first place if they did
not because it would collapse without it mind you but because the south would have thrown a bitchfit MAH PROPAHTEE instead of adapting to not being barbarians.

Slave-based economy in the South was obsolete and medieval-tier, especially compared to highly industrializing North. Civil War was essentially the last clash of capitalism against feudalism.

America was built by capitalists, investors and factory workers, not slaves and slave-owners.

Almost every single founding father and financial supporter of the revolution was a slave owner

No. Slavery was only ever really relevant in the South, which constituted less than 20% of the country's free population and had much lower GDP per capita than the rest of the Union on top of having next to no industry.

christians were slaves too. Feudalism was slavery.

>But what would have happened to the north without southern agriculture?
Southern money largely never left the South, and the South is and always has been a net drain to the rest of the nation. Furthermore, it's not like the South was producing anything the North actually needed- they had cotton and tobacco, the vast majority of which was sold to Britain, and that's it. At the height of the Civil War there was even starvation in much of the South because their focus on cash crops meant that even the slightest disruption to regular food production meant that the South couldn't feed itself, even while keeping their slaves on borderline starvation rations.

>Feudalism was slavery
No it wasn't.

barter and trade is slavery. Also, selling your family into bondage is chatell slavery.

You'd have plenty of other bullshit to deal with boy.

Adam Smith was the first economist to look at the accuracy of this conventional wisdom by running a cost benefit analysis on slavery vs professional farm hands. His findings were that when you include the costs of slavery, which are:
-buying slaves
-housing slaves
-clothing slaves
-feeding slaves
-paying people to watch your slaves
-paying people to hunt down your escaped slaves
-the lower workplace efficiency of slaves vs professional farmhands due to resentment
-the cost of replacing tools that were broken by slaves through intentional mishandling, and loss of efficiency from that
he found that slavery was actually a vastly inferior method of agriculture to using professional farmhands or sharecropping

That's a major reason why most nations stopped using slavery shortly thereafter, you couldn't argue that it was a necessary evil anymore because it was absolutely unnecessary. The American south and Brazil were the only two peoples who didn't get the message.

>Were tools essential for America's early survival?

That's all slaves were: tools to complete a job. They needed a purpose to live (they weren't doing anything of note in Africa; still aren't) and we needed labor to keep our farms running.

I love how they steal memes and make them shittier

if that's true then why was the slave trade continued well after there were more citizens than jobs?

>they had cotton and tobacco
Objectively false

No

blacks were sent to the colonies to chop down trees to make turpentine and pitch for ships

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Yeah and the revolutionary war was won mostly with support from france

that's a downright lie and exaggeration

Doesn’t really negate the fact that America was founded by slave owners. That’s not a bad thing in it of itself, but your initial statement was down right false

America was founded by Americans!

Many kinds of men had a hand in championing its cause.

I agree, but that contradicts your earlier statement

>America was built by capitalists, investors and factory workers, not slaves and slave-owners.

you shouldn't go thinking every reply is always going to be someone further up the thread

>French provide the majority of the rebel's gunpowder, 90% of the rebel's arms during the Saratoga campaign (ie. before the French even became formally involved), volunteers, and provide half of the troops and the entire naval fleet during the penultimate battle when the British are defeated, as well as beating the British throughout the rest of the globe
>But they weren't the ones who won the war guize

you're stupid, Americans produced their own powder. them being an ally is nothing like winning the war for us

unlike when we did in fact win the war for the french in WWII

The Southerners were also piss poor farmers to begin with, adding to their lack of economic worth.
>"Most southerners rarely used manure or other fertilizers, and their primitive techniques apalled outsiders.44 'You will perceive that little improvement is made at the South in agricultural pursuits generally,' a Southerner admitted in 1850. Corn production in the southern woods averaged only 15 or 20 bushels per acre, compared to 50 to 60 bushels per acre in New York, 35 to 40 in Ohio and Indiana, and 30 to 40 in Maine and Massachussets."
-Celtic Culture of the Old South.

Slavery was and remains essential for humanity's survival.

Do you think your iPhone was manufactured by salaried, unionized freemen American citizens in Wisconsin?

Slavery has been a universal human practice since the Upper Paleolithic, and is the only reason why we left the Stone Age.

Even with the Industrial Revolution making the practice technologically obsolete in certain places, we still need slavery overseas, unless you want to pay $15,000 for an iPhone. At least we can afford the luxury of outsourcing our slavery to Chinese labor camps now.

But hey at least we can all posture that we're so morally superior to those stupid primates in Afri--sorry, I mean the Past, because the American Abolitionist movement from hundreds of years ago that we never had to lift a finger to support gives us butterflies of self-righteousness-by-proxy and provides the powers that be with an effective crudgel of eternal race guilt with which to beat working class white people into submission.

Now I've got to go slap on my Air Jordans to wander around the Slavery Museum shaking my head seriously and choking back tears.

>Slavery was and remains essential for humanity's survival.
>Do you think your iPhone was manufactured by salaried, unionized freemen American citizens in Wisconsin?
t. literal retard

People working in factories that manufacture Apple electronics are paid far better than most other people in the country. See: China, which went from Africa-tier subsistence farming to a middle income country in a couple decades by way of "sweatshops." South Korea did the same thing and is first world tier now.

>At least we can afford the luxury of outsourcing our slavery to Chinese labor camps now.
Chinese factory workers now make more than Russian factory workers, is literally every non-millionaire person who doesn't live in Western Europe or North America a slave in your retard eyes?

Because the trade was a business in itself. Traders were the one actually profiting of the slavery, not the slave owners.

The only reason for black slave labour in Americas was actually just the climate. White Europeans couldn't handle the tropical climate in cash crop plantations and thus when the natives basically went extinct you used blacks. Hell, English troops and workers in India kept dropping dead all the time because they couldn't handle the Indian tropic.

*claps*

>average wages
When you have 1 million extremely wealthy factory owners and 1.5 billion factory workers living on slave wages the average income will be far greater than what the majority of people are making. Wealth disparity is a bitch, averages are NOT a good way to measure success