If Franco joined the axis

If Franco joined the axis,
Would he win the battle of Gibraltar?

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Yes, no doubt a German force would have done it though.

However with Spain in the war, the landings in Italy and France would not have been needed - the Allies would have combined the two operations into an invasion of Spain from North Africa and then entered France via the Pyrenees. Franco's government would have soon fallen once British and American forces entered Madrid.

The Spanish military was laughably weak and still divided, the civil war had only ended in 1939.

>forgetting the US doesn't enter until 1941

I can't get over how much of a retard this guy was, if he had given the axis access to Gibralter after France fell then Rommel would have easily taken Egypt, subsequently the arabs would have joined the axis aswell and from there on out it would've been gg no re basically as there would have been no way for the allies to supply the soviets via the iran/persian corridor after illegally occupying that neutral country.

Same goes for Horthy the fucking retard who cucked out like the romanian king before him and attempted to betray his axis allies in 1944

This just proves that fascism is superior to monarchism in every way

What would taking Gibraltar have done for Rommel?

The Brits lose Gibraltar after the Fall of France, it would be impossible to defend if Spain is Axis, but this doesn't really affect much. The Brits can route convoys around Africa easily enough, and did just that for the parts of the war where the Italians dominated the central Mediterranean. Spain's Navy is non existent and it's army is small and even worse equipped and disciplined than Italy's. Totally negligible.
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Rommel taking Egypt was a logistical impossibility, and the vast majority of Lend-Lease went not through Iran, but Vladivostok and the Arctic. If you want to shut down Lend-Lease, you don't need Spain, you need Japan to go with Kantokuen which means you must convince them to throw the bulk of their army at it. And sustain probably hundreds of thousands of casualties to destroy the million-strong Soviet army group there before diverting significant naval assets to stop Arctic convoys. All at basically no benefit to themselves purely for Germany's sake, because now they don't have the assets to take Southeast Asia. And it probably still won't win the war.

Good luck.

Your knowledge of military logistics and history generally is laughable.

Spain was probably more valuable to the axis as a neutral entry point for smuggled goods.

>logistics
>tfw people keep bringing up the "rommel capturing egypt" counterfactual when this single word easily destroys it every time

Rommel was dependent on a truck based supply line (Libya did not have railroads or ground for a hundred thousand horses). Everything has to be brought to the front by a limited supply of trucks, which for Rommel's army-sized force required motor vehicles sufficient to equip an entire army group in the east. The problems here should be obvious.

During the period of time where the Germans dedicated a Luftwaffe to bombing it and the Italian Navy was using BB's to escort Libyan bound convoys the Axis managed to, for a time, completely neutralize Malta as an Allied naval base. The net effect was supplies piling up at the Libyan/Egyptian border that couldn't reach the front because of the natural attenuation effect of a truck supply line.

It's more or less a mathematical rule that the limit is about 500 miles or so. Tobruk to Alamain is just about at that limit.

So a German advance into Egypt is confronted by a choke point forcing a frontal assault at just the point where the troops run short of supplies. So long as the British choose to defend it, this position cannot be forced by the Axis.

So much for Rommel and the Pyramids.

>the Allies would have combined the two operations into an invasion of Spain from North Africa

Had Franco joined the axis, England would call Portugal to honor the Treaty of Windsor (as they did later on in the war) and use it as the jump point for the invasion.

Spain had 250000 military personnel in 1949

And navy? Nonexistent?
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With the huge Spanish coastline exposed, D-Day would have been a walk in the park for the Allies. The Axis owning Gibraltar does not compensate for this.

King Michael did nothing wrong, and if it wasn't for the fascist and later shitty communist he would still be on the throne providence some sort of balance in his country. Instead he's stuck in court arguing whether the houses that were confiscated by the communist are still his.

Dday happens in 1944.

Spain can still defeat Britain before that

Spain was in absolutely no condition to fight a major war just off the heels of a costly civil war. Franco was looking out for his own ass as he knew joining would likely result in a war exhausted population overthrowing him, or losing the war with Germany and overthrown either way.

The Axis taking Gibraltar would've made very little difference, considering that the Suez Canal was the primary route of supply for British Naval forces in the Mediterranean, and Operation Torch began at Casablanca and circumvented Gibraltar.

As a result Franco ended up remaining in power for 30 more years rather than crashing and burning with Hitler and Mussolini, if anyone played their cards right it was Franco

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not to mention geography

>taking gibraltar would help conquering egypt

How is that anywhere near Egypt?

>Same goes for Horthy the fucking retard who cucked out like the romanian king before him and attempted to betray his axis allies in 1944
What do you mean? The war was lost, you might as well try to protect your own country before the soviets take over.

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