What if Taiwan became an independent nation?

What if Taiwan became an independent nation?

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The ancestral homeland will welcome them back at the barrel of a gun.

It'd quickly become a Special Administrative Region of Japan.

>wade giles

It de facto is.
China's stated any spesific declaration of independence would mean war, but the fact that The ROC is so close to the American Sphere of influence in SK and Japan, it's almost certain that America would have a big interest in keeping the ROC alive against Chinese invasion.

War.

Then, maybe the occidental side of the world defend Taiwan.

And, finally then, the general extintion with the nuclear fire.

If it was "de-facto independent", it'd be able to be literally independent.

No, it wouldn't, the ROC doesn't have official military support from the US (Mostly in order to pacify China), and doesn't have a military large enough to dissuade Chinese internvention they've said they'd do if Taiwan declares independence, remaining de jure under the PRC the ROC can keep it's democracy, at the expense of being seen as a legitimate state.

This unironically belongs to /pol/. Perhaps you can go back.

>It de facto is
Only 20 small ass countries recognize this "de facto", FYI. It can be "decreased" if PRC want to play hard. Also they actually recognize "Republic of China" regime, not Republic of Taiwan, there is no such country.

Then it is not "de facto independent"

If you can't be literally independent, then you are not "in fact" independent.

China would nuke it to death and or invade it until it gives up its sovreign rights.

You don't understand what de facto means.

If Taiwan was "literally" independent, which is a retarded word to use here so I just have to assume you mean "by law" it wouldn't be appropriate to call it de facto independent.

De facto means explicitly "although it isn't legally so it is in practice".

Fuck yourself

You are mixing up de jure with de facto.

Why is China clinging to Taiwan in the first place

Its an earthquake hazard and bad for investment

They can easily still control it while giving it its independence

Honestly, Taiwan should've been conquered and populated by the Japanese in the 17th century. The same goes for Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. I don't even like Japanese, but if they had those islands populated for generations by Japanese, it might have hand-waved away the Imperial militarists between 1853-1945 since there's more land available with resources. That and no Taiwan means no place for the Kuomintang to retreat to and Chiang & company emigrate all over the world. Taiwan never being part of the Qing Dynasty means there's no "lost province".

It'a a geopolitical dagger into its underbelly and a staging point for outside powers to stop sea shipping and invade China. It's the Cyprus of the East.
However, they have isolated Taiwan geopolitically so most of what's going on now is a farce that both sides take up to continue LARPing as muh one true China and making sure things proceed business as usual. Taiwan and China do huge amounts of trade with each other. A little saber rattling doesn't mean shit.

nothing would change desu. Taiwanese independence is a threat only the communist party of china. Your average chink would hardly notice the difference.

China would invade.

Yeah man I'm sure the Japs were thinking 3 centuries ahead when they were stuck on their islands doing buttfucking nothing besides trying to conquer Korea

its a mandate thing

the government of the former chinese government escaped there after the communist revolution

Not him, but you are really dumb dude

Canada is our Taiwan

Its their claim to legitimacy. If they give up Taiwan, then they might have to give up Hong Kong or Tibet or Mongolia.

They don't want anything to fracture their communist agenda.

It's a giant unsinkable aircraft carrier, just like Britain in WW2.

If the Chinese let them have official independence then the Americans will just swarm to it with loads of investment and make deals to build military bases all over it.

>Only 20 small ass countries recognize this "de facto"
Do you know what de facto means?

>PRC
>communist

>What if Taiwan became an independent nation?
The PRC would be forced to declare war.

>Why is China clinging to Taiwan in the first place
Because mainland China and Taiwan are technically still at war.

That actual sounds good

They will become numbah one, fo' su'e.

Your delusion need to stop. PRC isn't a capitalist country. All of their large companies have strong to very strong PRC control factors. Some being directly controlled by PRC generals/families. The smaller companies have direct PRC agencies in them where their employees have to report to PRC government .

The fact that China has succeeded isn't due to capitalist, but rather without capitalism. The state has so much control over their economy and the function of economy. Whatever direction the state touches, the economy grows there.

Westerners need to understand this and stop deluding themselves. China will not be a capitalist country. It hasn't ever and it never will.

Taiwan is not "the other China", they overthrew their dictatorship thirty years ago and they are now in friendly terms with the mainland with man Taiwanese companies operating in China.

There will never be a war between China and Taiwan.

>There will never be a war between China and Taiwan -t Chang

Hello Chang. Chairman Mao has deposited 1 yuan in your credit.

China has stated that any formal calls for independence (or even a statement peaceful reunion isn't possible) by Taiwan will result in a war, functionally, Taiwan governs iteslf, nobody's stating that the ROC still had the dictatorship under Chiang or anyone, the main problem people have with the ROC - PRC relationship is that one's a liberal democracy and the other's a one party dictatorship.

maybe you should go to Asia and teach all of those chinks what they should think and do then...

>HURR the state interferes in the economy so it can't be capitalist!

I guess by your """reasoning""", the USA isn't capitalist either? In fact the only country on Earth that meets your definition of capitalist would be Somalia...

US is corporatism. Its a corporate state influencing the government. Literally the opposite.

>Taiwan is not "the other China"
Then wtf are these? Do you know what is wishful thinking?

>they are now in friendly terms with the mainland
By what premise "term"? Do you know? Ever heard of 九二共識? Which is exactly what the present separatists DPP regime try hard to deny, and CCP will never tolerate this. Hell, they just change their officials in 國台辦 into a bunch of warhawks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Consensus

And I also in favor of this, because I really REALLY hate traitors DPP force us, including me, to accept fucking god damn disgusting degenerated faggot marriage and AIDS blood. I WANT CCP TO WIPE THEM OUT!

never seen an autistic chinaman before

Ching chong ding dong

honestly he's right
if the states proposed controls over private industry to anywhere nearing the extent that exists in PRC, wall street would march on washington

Play more CK2.

>doesn't realize the difference between de facto x and de jure x

If Taiwan declared independence China would kick their shit in.
t.MA Chinese politics

I think I can put forward a pretty good idea of why mainland China hates Taiwan so very very much. Even though Taiwan can be messy, crowded, or chaotic, it is miles above the standard of living in mainland China. This is far more dangerous to the CCP than almost anything else; proof that Chinese society can thrive and succeed under democratic principles and indeed be all the better for it.
Taiwan cannot be permitted to declare itself a successful independent nation because it would be a continuous focus for dissidents within the mainland.

But I thought Taiwan was not Chinese..?

The fuck do you mean? Most of the population are Chinese derived/interbred with indigenous peoples

Those identifying themselves only as Taiwanese are in the high 70%. For both Taiwanese/Chinese, the number is around 20%. Finally, those who identify only as Chinese is only at 2%.

The number identifying as Taiwanese only increase even further to nearly 80% with the younger generation(under 30) of Taiwanese.

You do realize state capitalism is a thing right? Just because the CCP insists it's "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" doesn't mean it's actual socialism.

>actual socialism

wade-giles is the Veeky Forumstorian's choice

Why would Japan want it? The only reason they get along is because they both hate the PRC.

The Japanese actually tried to conquer Taiwan in 1616.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murayama_Tōan

Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea was retarded as fuck. Why waste resources and manpower on trying to conquer a nation whose technically on-par or moreso than Japan AND they're a vassal state to the Ming Dynasty?

Imagine if Japan had utilized those troops to conquer Taiwan instead of a half-assed expedition. They could've easily taken over the joint as well as all of Hokkaido, Sakhalin, and the Kuriles.

You're fucking retarded, the issue is not living standards but political control. Taiwan is de facto self ruled. The living standards of tier 1 chink cities isn't even that far from Taiwan. The issue is as simple as a monarch having a potential rival claimant to the throne. The chinese view of political power has only gotten more absolutist since the downfall of the Tang dynasty.

Taiwan is not "the other China", it is a fully autonomous country on its own.

>And I also in favor of this blah, blah, degenerates, gay marriage, don't touch my guomindang
you are delusional, the vast majority of Taiwanese is in favor of independence

mainland China couldn't care less of Taiwan, the communist party has a long term quarrel which is only a part of the existing relationships (and not the predominant part either)

Republic of China was officially dead in international community during 70s.

haha that anti-gay taiwanfag is back

>300 vs at least 10000 nukes

As an outside I just find it really weird that the KMT, who were supposed to be the mortal enemy of the CCP, are now the ones who want to cosy up to CCP-controlled mainland against an opposition that want nothing to do with cross-straits relations.

as far as I understand the KMT retained a lot of assets from the dictatorship period and moving (part of) that wealth into China could prevent an eventual requisition