is it true that Vietnam war protests were a communist conspiracy to overthrow America from within?
Is it true that Vietnam war protests were a communist conspiracy to overthrow...
there were certainly communists in the antiwar movement but they never controlled it and it was never a "conspiracy"
It was a Soviet psyop and Soviets themselves bragged about it.
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong, although he does not identify any organisation by name. Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".
people dont have agency to think for themselves
This wasnt WW2 when the media was heavily censored and propagandistic. It was a bloody war with no diacernible victory in sight yet our politicians sent American soldiers into a meat grinder anyway.
The fugging gommies made up the pointless, fruitless slaughter of thousands. None of that shit was real. Obviously, then, the protests were made up, too.
A communist conspiracy to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a Soviet styled socialist republic? No, I don't think so.
However, the anti-war movements and other seditious movements did indeed receive a lot of funding (indirectly, of course) from the KGB. The music industry and TV/movie studios are also said to have received funding and agents with subversive agendas. I don't know the extent of truth there is to that one though. Even still, a lot of big media people were very anti-war and had counterculture/utopian ideals. Even though that never stopped them from getting richer and richer every year
No, in fact Vietnam doesn't even exist, it was Russian propaganda to make it seem like the US military was weak.
Not sure if this is a /pol/ shitpost or a Dmitry propaganda attempt but hidden and reported.
Maybe, but at the same time the war was hard to justify, especially since we in fact could have avoided the whole thing at the start.
No. Unsurprisingly, a bunch of American kids didn't want to die to prop up some corrupt regime halfway around the world.
it was a vehicle to counteract the success of the United States military over the communist aggressors of the north
t. propaganda teet sucker
I'm sure you'd love getting drafted to fight for some random strongman in a third world country against some other strongman.
In order to fund protests you need protestors, and for people to give enough of a shit to protest they need reasons, did communist funding goto anti war movements? Almost certainly, a totally pacifist America'd be great for Russia, did communist funding create anti war movements? Almost certainly not.
Why else would such an unprecedented youth movement arise?
They didn't protest the Spanish American war.
They didn't protest the Mexican American war.
They didn't protest WWI
They didn't protest WW2.
They didn't protest Korea.
Lo and behold the moment Marxists get a toe hold in academia though suddenly the streets fill with disatisfied youth....
Bitch our country was founded on that shit.
This. However, OP's line or reasoning has traction in this age of the memes of conspiracy theories perpetrated by "shills"
I'd volunteer desu. Vietnam is easily the most aesthetic war.
There were antiwar movements against most of those wars you listed, some of them quite strong.
And the power of the media wasen't as strong in those wars as the Vietnam war
There were large anti war movements against the Korean war (look up Eisenhower's ads) and world war 2 (America first)
They didn't protest WWI
there was a lot of popular anger against WW1 but the government cracked down on it hard
Did you even get past high school? Hint, "Mark Twain"
As a war, Vietnam was actually really tame, barely anything of significance happened. Compared to truly bloody wars like WW2, it was nothing. WW2 saw 400k dead American soldiers in 4 years while the death toll in Vietnam was only 60k in 10 years.
I didn't say there wasn't dissent, I said that there was no pop-culture anti-war movement. Notice how I didn't say Civil War, because there WAS a strong anti-war movement as indicated by the New York draft riots.
Could it be that some people just don't like the idea of getting killed?
Men are literally born to die.
Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
Next you are going to say that the civil rights movement wasn't a communist conspiracy.
Yes, that's all fine, but can we, just for a second, entertain the idea that perhaps some people aren't too happy about the prospect of getting killed in a war and might stage a protest? I mean, I'm no expert but I think that would explain the Vietnam war protests.
capitalizing first lines of Latin verses
Soviet guy makes shit up to claim credit for victory
Can't name a single organization they actually supposedly funded
I think it'd be hard to appreciate the aesthetics when you're bleeding out in some stinky, sweaty jungle after getting stabbed through your feet by shit covered bamboo sticks.
What about the millions of dead vietnamese?
Obviously Putin established the anti-war movement as a prelude to getting his Manchurian Candidate installed as president of the USA.
I said that there was no pop-culture anti-war movement.
that's not what you said
you said an "unprecedented youth movement"
also pop culture wasn't even a thing before WW2 so ????
le Marxist academia meme
That's on our side. Southeast Asia was gutted.
Did black do this?
Sure, next you're going to tell me that CIA/FBI worked with rice farmers or something