Were Scythians Turkic?

This

t. brainlet

indoeuropean language, they aint turkic for sure

Turanians are originally mythical foes of Eran in Shahnameh, they're also Iranic

>Turanians are Iranic

Full retard...

DAS RITE MAYNE, WE WAZ SCYTHIANS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE WUZ MONGOLS

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan
In ancient Iranian mythology, Tūr (Tuzh in Middle Persian)[5] is the son of the emperor Fereydun. According to the account in the Shahnameh the nomadic tribes who inhabited these lands were ruled by Tūr. In that sense, the Turanians could be members of two Iranian peoples both descending from Fereydun, but with different geographical domains and often at war with each other.[6][7] Turan, therefore, comprised five areas: the Kopet Dag region, the Atrek valley, the eastern Alborz mountains, Helmand valley, Bactria and Margiana.[8]

A later association of the original Turanians with Turkic peoples is based primarily on the subsequent Turkification of Central Asia, including the above areas.[9][10] According to C. E. Bosworth, however, there was no cultural relationship between the ancient Turkic cultures and the Turanians of the Shahnameh.[11]

>citing wikipedia as source

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are either guillible to the point of stupidity, or are intentionally trying to cause confusion. Fuck off.

The oldest existing mention of Turan is in the Farvardin yashts, which are in the Young Avestan language and have been dated by linguists to approximately 2300 BCE.[12] According to Prof. Gherardo Gnoli, the Avesta contains the names of various tribes who lived in proximity to each other: "the Airyas [Aryans], Tuiryas [Turanians], Sairimas [Sarmatians], Sainus [Ashkuns] and Dahis [Dahae]".[13] In the hymns of the Avesta, the adjective Tūrya is attached to various enemies of Zoroastrism like Fraŋrasyan (Shahnameh: Afrāsīāb).

Enlighten me

no

peak autism

No. Some Turkics adopted their culture however.

why so mad, wh*Te subhuman?

t. brown J2

Turanians(Iranic Speaking Nomads) were Whites and R1a while Aryans were brown and J2

see

>haplogroups: race
dumb wh*Te subhuman

Indians have R1a

He is right though, Turanian referred to the blonde and blue-eyed Indo-Europeans of the North such as Scythians and Dahaeans (who were heavily patriarchal and therefore primarily R1a carriers), it has nothing to do with swarthy Mongoloid Turkics.

Indians are genuine Aryans, Iranians are Aryan-speaking Arabs

Because of this

eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/06/ancient-herders-from-pontic-caspian.html

It seems like the haplogroup racial illiterates are here. You were taking too long.

Some Turkic people like Chuvash as depigmented as Scythians or more

>E-M78 is the Hebraic Haplogroup

Good map, saved

That's because they have heavily miscegenated with Indo-Europeans, but their original Mongoloid stock can be seen in their looks and auDNA.
It is a known fact that the original R1a carriers were from Europe and racially European, as were their immediate descendants. Nobody is arguing that all modern carriers of any one haplogroup are part of the same race.

It’s like you’re mindless automata. Fuck off.

>It is a known fact that the original R1a carriers were from Europe and racially European

Probably not. Central Asian or Siberian.

Didn't know Ukraine is in Siberia

Paleolithic Europeans didn't have R. Sungir man and Kostenki were C1a and C1b. They also shared less alleles with East Eurasian and North Eurasian populations than later hunters in Ukraine and Russia.
Proto-Mongoloids with haplogroup P must have bred with paleolithic Caucasoid locals in Central Asia and their R1 descendants moved to Europe.

Not taking this at face value since it sounds like some r/hapas fantasy but none of that makes any difference to the original race of R1a carriers specifically.

It's not really a fantasy that R is related to Q, N, O and even random Papuan shit and not to Caucasoid haplogroups like IJ and G.

The initial R1a and R1b brothers were probably born somewhere around Kazakhstan and wouldn't have shared that many alleles with modern day Europeans.

eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/05/european-blond-hair-may-have-originated.html

They definitely weren't Mongoloids, anything else is a lie.

Hmong people can have blond hair

Anyway the alleles for blond hair could also come from the paleolithic Caucasoids of Central Asia who the R/Q people mixed with or just not be that old.

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Mongoloid fantasies

Why do so many of you haplofaggots have cuckold/interracial fetishes? I bet this guy is the Finnish AMWF fetishist.

The genetic interaction which lead to modern day Europeans isn't a "cuckold fetish". That's a messed up perception. Wherever Polish and Irish Y-DNA ancestors came from isn't a big deal and they should be proud of it none the less. There is hardly such a thing as an unmixed race anywhere in the world anyway.

Yes but you always frame everything as being some kind of interracial breeding program where Mongoloid males swept en masse into Europe and exclusively bred with blonde caucasoid women creating a hapa race that became modern Europeans. You're clearly a fetishist and your input is tainted by this. Even if R1 was originally "Mongoloid", the shift to Caucasoid would have been extremely gradual and the result of migrations and mixing over time, not the result of Mongoloids "breeding" as you like to say with Caucasoids.

Y-DNA P has been found in two Upper Palaeolithic Siberians who were West Eurasian (ANE) and every modern populations with Y DNA P has some west Eurasian ancestry(specifically ANE) and most have no signs of East Asian ancestry.

I presented three different possibilities for the origin of blonde hair in North Eurasian
populations.

I lean towards the last one(relatively recent origin) as Native Americans entirely lack light hair.

MA-1 and Afantavo Goro shared more alleles with East Eurasian populations than Sungir and Kostenki did.

Also I should note that P* is restricted to SE Asia.
I have no knowledge of any subclades found exclusively among West Eurasians outside the PQ one.

Those alleles can probably be attributed to ANE, also that doesn't change the fact that they have more affinity to West Eurasian populations.

ANE as defined by MA-1 is about 20% East Eurasian and 80% West Eurasian. That doesn't mean all ANE individuals were the precisely same ratio.

MA-1 actually doesn't have more affinity to West Eurasians than Amerindians because Amerindians pack just about the highest amount of ANE in the world.

Amerindians radically differ from typical Mongoloids and have a very small East Asian mtDNA base, it could be that they picked it up while migrating eastward which gave rise to their modern, darker appearance, whilst their R siblings better preserved their fair ANE features.

Amerindians doesn't look that much different to southeast Asians like Filipinos

Their original recessive features disappeared due to mixing with East Asians, but fine differences in skull shape and other such features is what remains from their ANE days.

That mixing never happened

>recessive features disappeared

just another day in Veeky Forums

Of course they don't literally disappear, but you know what I meant.

Blue eyes aren't even theoretically linked to ANE but local populations in the Black Sea area.

Light skin is complex and some of the alleles do seem Middle Eastern in origin.

Blonde hair could easily just be something that emerged in the last 15-20k years.

That would leave the ANE looking quite dark.

See They could've been very fair skinned too.

Same retarded gypsy faggot.

>HURR y u cite a reference with many footnotes I culd check for myself???
>DURR y u no jus say retarded shit liek m???

Then why is blondeness most prevalent among Balts and Scandinavians? Shouldn't it be more common in central asia or at least eastern Europe, if the genes came from asia?

Amerindian look like native Siberians, such as the Chukchi (pic related).

In my opinion, the trait became selected for in a specific subset of Eastern Hunter Gatherers around the Volga basin and Western Russia in the Mesolithic and these people provided significant ancestry portion to the Corded Ware, where it was further selected for in some areas more than other ones.

They're also very high on ANE.

Ket people have a more similar ratio of ANE as Amerindians than the Chukchi do.

Blondeness is strongly selected for, blonde women tend to have more children than other women and being blonde is not a disadvantage to males tho it doesn't seem to be much of a help, either). It's fairly clear it originated in the Baltic a few thousand years ago and has steadily spread out from there, rather than originating somewhere the trait is no longer found and somehow become localized to the back end of nowhere.

>It's fairly clear it originated in the Baltic a few thousand years ago

No. Nothing could be further from clear than that.
While it could be the case that it originated in the Volga-Oka area(not the Baltic) in the mesolithic, it could also originate wherever the ancestors of these people spent the LGM and the ten millenia after that.

>No. Nothing could be further from clear than that.

Look at the geographical distribution of the alleles you fucktard.

Corded Ware was not indigenous to the Baltic area.

The paper on Tianyuan is out. ANE/MA-1 is now defined as 2/3 West Eurasian and 1/3 East Eurasian.

cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)31195-8

>Lipson and Reich [19] find that the 24,000-year-old Mal’ta1 [20] and 16,500-year-old AfontovaGora3 [4] from western Siberia and several 7,000- to 14,000-year-old Western Eurasian individuals show evidence of gene flow from a population related to the East and Southeast Asian Ami. We observe that the Eastern European hunter-gatherer Karelia [9], like the ancient Siberians and Western Eurasians, also show evidence of Asian gene flow. We also find that the pattern occurs for more East and Southeast Asian populations than just the Ami

SE Asia is indeed where you find the P*, but how did it get to Central Asia?

Are you suggesting that Balts learned how o be blonde from outsiders? You realize culture and genes aren't the same type of thing, right?
>in b4 DE BLOND TURKS KEKED DE BALTS INTO BEING BOND!

Modern day Balts aren't primarily descended from the late Neolithic ones. Corded Ware had genetic origins much further to the east and through admixture with locals in Poland also to the southwest.

No idea what Turks have to do with this.