Treaty of Versailles

>talks about rightful clay
>>Give the Saar to France
>>Give Eupen and Malmedy and more territory to Belgium
>>Give Eupen and Malmedy and more territory to Belgium
???

Balkanize G*rmany

Good answer
Worst case
Pretty good, but league of nation was in charge to occupy the Rhine river at the place of French and British. Hitler just make them flee by raising armies.

(1) bad since democratic system will strengthen the boundaries between each land of Germany

A federal system of elector would have been better

(2)
It is basically making what Hitler did before attacking Poland
Austria will be part to Germany if the her Empire collapse

(3) ok

Rhine river is rightful clay to Belgium and France

this

Shut the fuck up Orleanas nigger

>2) Referendums in Posen, West Prussia, Alsace-Lorraine, North Schleswig, Sudetenland and Austria about whether or not being a part of Germany
Do you really fucking think that majority Polish region would want anything to do with Krauts?
Fucking brainlet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_uprising_(1918–1919)

I swear you fucks have no basic knowledge about history.

>(1) bad since democratic system will strengthen the boundaries between each land of Germany
>A federal system of elector would have been better
Could you elaborate on why democracy would be bad? What do you mean with strengthen the boundaries...
>It is basically making what Hitler did before attacking Poland
And it was one of the very few things that were reasonable. Ofc he went too far with his terror organizations in Czechia, but the people should have decided.
Oh sorry man, yeah. I'm so dumb, you're so smart. Can I suck your cock, please?

What the fuck is the issue, then? The referendum would go in favor of Poland. End of the story. No need to sperg out you fucking autist

By a democratic system, you put a end to the previous political and monarchical structure of Germany and destroy the differences between a Prussian to Baden to Bavarian to Saxon and consider them as German and Germany as nationalist Unity

You also put democracy as the new system making all Germans as equally citizen to a great Germany and the burden of Versailles Treaty in the shoulder of democracy letting Germans resentful to democracy and wanting a monarchy or dictatorship back

And how would you solve that problem? Keep the German monarchs like in the Kaiserreich?

>Let Guillaume endorse the defeat
>Give to the German princes freedom as much as the allied can
>Get them to have power over Guillaume by great elector system

Why the fuck would you even do a referendum in a place that already rebelled against Krauts earlier? Do you want to lose more land?

Adopt the Roman model, granting French and British African troops land and slaves in the German territories to form the basis of a new ruling class.

Sounds ok, but wouldn't you want some democracy in the states?
Hmm, I don't know... Maybe because the population was partly German and it was a part of the Empire?

deport all german in british colonies and french colonies and hope than most of then would die during the shipping

It wasn't german. The land was occupied by them

Give Gdansk and Eastern Prussia to Poland, settle in Poles and drive off Germans.

It was partly German.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Posen

destroy france, fabricate evidence that princip was funded by the french government, put it under english/belgian/german/spanish control and destroy every bit of french nationalism... only that way you can save europe

Well, first of all, we have to take care of Germany. To this end, I would give Posen and Torun to Poland, Elsaß-Lothringen and Slesvig-Holsten to Denmark to cut majority non-German regions out of Germany. I would have the Entente occupy the Rhineland, as well as the Ruhr, to deprive Germany of its war industry and resources. Then, to remove the militarism from the German nation, Prussia should be seperated from the main German state. This would mean that Upper Silesia and Masovia would not be cut out of Prussia, and Poland should be given Oldenburg instead. Lastly, Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach should be liberated, to be made an independent member of the League of Nations, to take the place of the US.

Then we must make sure Germany cannot invade Belgium again. The simplest way to guarantee this is to delete Belgium.

Poland should be given living space in the East to make space for its German-speaking minority. Wilno is to be given to its rightful Lithuanian owners.

Austria-Hungary should be split into its component nations in accord with its natural borders. , the Alps and Sudetes mountainsand the natural borders of Austria, and the rivers Danube and Tisza, as well as the Székelyföld, as the natural borders of Hungary To uphold ethnic self-determination, Austria should be given the German-majority Banat and parts of Transylvania.

Italy, whose contribution in the war cannot be overestimated, should be given parts of Dalmatia on top of the Austrian Littoral, and be allowed a mandate in Turkey equal to that of France and Britain.

Greece should be given everything south of the River Árdas and the coast south of Varna from Bulgaria. Yugoslavia, for its part, should receive Vidin, and Romania can have the rest of the coast to properly leglock Bulgaria. Also Crimea.

The Megali idea is to be imposed on Turkey in order to secure an existence for Ionian Greek people and a future for Greek children. The treaty of Lausanne is in effect otherwise.

Dismantle Germany into 15ish states, forbid them from reintegrating, work on creating national identities for each of them (heck if Montenegro, Macedonia and Moldova exist this won't be that hard).
Also, i'd divide their colonies between Poland and Serbia. Just for shits and giggles.

>irish free state

Return the borders to Pre-War status.

Is the Anti-Germany thing a Veeky Forums joke or something? Or do people seriously hate a country for existing?

>What do you do ?
BALKANIZE

this is arguably the best way to clamp down on continental warmongering

j00s and menes

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People hate pollack for rewriting history. So his works in opposite way.

Those were settlers sent by Frederick the Great and later by Bismarck.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_uprising_(1806)

Historical background[edit]
While Kingdom of Prussia already possessed large Polish population in Upper Silesia, it gained additional Polish citizens during the partitions of Poland. From the beginnings of Prussian rule Poles were subject to a series of measures aimed against them and their culture; Polish language was abolished as official language and German introduced.[7] Prussian ruler Frederick the Great who hated[8] and despised[9] Poles hoped to replace them with Germans[7] Prussian officials who spread German language and culture often despised Poles, who were portrayed as 'backward Slavs'.[7] Lands of Polish nobility were confiscated and given to German nobles.[7] German colonists were settled[7]

break Germany up into 2-4-ish states.

establish some levels of war reparations by Germany (but not ridiculously)

establish that there will be some territory given to Belgium, Switzerland, or Luxembourg, with the goal of creating a more firm between france and formerly German territory.

Hold a second treaty/committee/congress in Berlin in order to clarify these things, and an allied-joint-occupation/military force in order to oversee the breakup.

you are settlers too

I would only accept this is france was so divided as well

West Germany and Franconia should be annexed to France after being reeducated
Bavarians should be given independance
The rest of the Germans should be put to death
Northern Germany(now empty) should be given to Denmark and Netherlands
Eastern Germany(now empty) should be given to Poland
The remaining land should be used as a natural resevation for animals

1. Germany is permanently debarred from making battleships, or any warship displacing more than 20000 tons.

2. Germany must pay reparations of £2,000 million directly to Belgium.

3. France is permitted to reacquire Alsace-Lorraine.

Done.

>break up Germany.

I never understood this notion. Nationalism didn't die, there would have been a rebellion eventually, and it most likely would have been by a communist group, backed by Russia, in which case there would still be some sort of big conflict. Perhaps not world war 2, 6million dead Jews, and crispy japs big, but still there would be unrest in the region for sure.

>Eastern Germany(now empty) should be given to Poland
Eastern Germany could potentially be reeducated. Polabian language was still existing in early 20th century, and Pommeranians weren't full Germaboo at that stage yet.

Treaty of Paris
(Not celebrated at Versailles to avoid needless trolling of Germany)

* Monarchy abolished

* Independent Republics of Bavaria, Prussia, Austria, Saxony, Hannover, Hesse, Cologne

* Reunification forbidden

* All German-inhabited lands inside these states. Sudentenland part of Bavaria, Saxony and Prussia, Danzig part of Prussia, and so on

* No reparations

* All colonies taken away

* Democracy must be the mandatory form of government

* Permanent League of Nations standing army created

* German Constitutional Council created to oversee German respect for democracy across all states, can call on the League of Nations army to intervene if the independence, individual liberties or democratic institutions are in danger in any one of the German states. Council entirely staffed by German jurists elected from each state. May be the stepping stone to a united German democratic republic if and when Germans behave and their democracy consolidates.

* Demilitarization entirely enforced. Maximum quota for military troops across all Germany is zero. Only police force and coastguard is allowed. Defense is in charge of the League of Nations through the German Constitutional Council.

What an ugly fucking map.

TPBP

Merge France and Germany into a renewed Holy Roman Empire.

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>Not celebrated at Versailles to avoid needless trolling of Germany
explain

This
Wouldnt even be hard as Germany had only been united for a few decades

This "country" exist since 1871 and has already caused two world wars in that timespan
German unification was a mistake

>Germany started WWI

this would require massive compulsory repatriations and migration

two of those were largely france's fault

The French chose Versailles because it was the birthplace of the Second Reich (then again the Germans shouldn't have celebarated their unification there to begin with)

WW2 maybe, but WW1 was entirely Germany's doing

>Germans are not responsible WW1, WW2 and Franco-prussian war

>lmao i'll just split it up
YOU CANNOT BALKANIZE A COUNTRY WITH A MONO-CULTURE, YOU DUMB FUCKER

Either dismantle Germany or create another Concert of Europe with the US included, force anglos to back up their words (real defense pacts) instead of weaseling out promising vague things only to shit on it years later like they always do

They werent treated any lenient in 1871 tho. Just look at the treat of Brest-Litovsk of 1917. Germany would punish entente MUCH worse than they did at Versailles.

>Ignoring the Franco-Russian "alliance"
>Ignoring that Russia was in debt of France
>Ignoring the assassination of F-F
>Ignoring the Russian mobilization
>Ignoring the fact the US used civilians as meatshields to ship weapons to the UK
wew lad
>It's Germany's fault Napoleon III was so arrogant he declared war over a cocky letter

>Ignoring the Franco-Russian "alliance"
>Ignoring that Russia was in debt of France
>Ignoring the assassination of F-F
>Ignoring the Russian mobilization

None of these excuse Germany for declaring war on Russia and France tho

they aren't, you should know that the french emperor declared war on prussia for one

the frenchman was ever his own enemy

look at their adventures in madagascar, or their pointless attempt to maintain overseas empire in south east asia

too proud for good sense, at least, maybe that's how they used to be

1. De-unify Germany. After that they can have whatever armies they want. Bavaria can have the largest fleet they can build, Bremen the largest army they can muster. In the unlikely event that someone makes a move towards unification in the future, they get slapped on the wrist hard. It's easier to slap Saxony on the wrist than 1936 Germany.

2. The opposite approach in Eastern Europe: let the Poles have Lithuania and maybe even East Prussia. Let the Finns have Estonia and offer Latvia to whichever Scandinavian country is dumb enough to take it. That's it, commies are now their problem too.

3. Keep Ukraine under joint British-French-American occupation and install a puppet government. Let the communists have the rest of Russia.

I thought who declared war didn't matter?
Or is it only when Germany does it?

Abolition of all borders and states within Europe, good luck having a war now.

>French are responsible for franco-prussian war

You fucking retards, Bismark made a false statement in which Prussia refused to let the throne of Spain and also the french diplomat in Berlin was humiliated

It was a declaration of war fucking retards

Constant war, permanent. Looting, pillaging until field generals emerge, assemble armies and start fighting each other. Basically, what happened during the Russian Civil War.

well, certainly, when Germany is obligated to defend its ally, it can scarcely be taken to account, after all, everything is bound to attack one another with such things at that time

france had no other reason to declare war other than its alliance with russia, that declared war on behalf of serbia entering into war with austria

the whole thing was a mess, but the french surely welcomed it, revanchism was strong, and they had grievances at the embarrassing stain upon their honor suffered in 1871

yet, some would lay blame on the german, most unfair attention if you ask me

no, the french simply have a bad temper

>france had no other reason to declare war other than its alliance with russia

And France didn't declare war
Germany did (on countries none yet involved in the war mostly)

lie

fact

>None of these excuse Germany for declaring war on Russia and France tho
Right, Germans should have shut the fuck up and let the mobilization happen. You know it's no coincidence the Russian invaded East Prussia at the beginning of the war?
He didn't make a false statement, he shortened it and made it sound more harsh. It was France that declared war.

No its not, although Kaiser Wilhelm II knew that the French would probably join so he declared war first.

I don't see how it would have been of great surprise to him, since the french mobilized their entire army the day of the declaration of war with Russia

Here's the timeline of war declaration

80 iq chart

More like Germany expected France to declare war on them after they attacked Russia (supposedly France's ally), but as France still hadn't reacted two days later, the Germans started to seriously doubt France's will to join the war
And since they really wanted their two front war, they decided to declare war themselves

No, you are definitely retards and understand nothing :

Giving to Prussia Spain should have put France in the same situation in 1500's in which France was completely surrounded by the Charles Quint's empire and crushed by every sides

It is a fucking declaration of war like invading Belgium is a declaration of war for UK

Prussia was belletristic and always attacking, always taking territories ... Etc etc ... Spending an enormous budget in army.

Prussia made a false statement in which France can go fuck her mom and that the throne of Spain could go to Prussia and that the french diplomat got bullied like dog shit by Prussia

It is a declaration of war

If you don't understand this, you're a fucking retard

Also, you should know, RETARDS that Napoleon III was ALWAYS in the side of Prussia and BISMARCK and always fought and supported Prussia ...

So there is no bad temper ... Or thing of shit like this

You should stop being retarded and learn the history to 1850 to 1870

>France was completely surrounded
>It is a fucking declaration of war
So... the fact that Russia and France were allies in 1914 was a declaration of war on Germany?
Poland and France being allies in 1939 was a declaration of war on Germany ?
Thanks, didn't know that yet.

Oh, the irony. What if France never meant to declare war and let the Germans have Russia? Or what if they meant to all along but decided not to in the last minute.

>Germany loses all its non-European holdings, but loses no European land
not even Alsace Lorraine?

let them hold a referendum

something the french nor the germans ever did

You seem upset.
My proposal leaves the first sketches for German reunification when the Treaty expires (say 30 years, with a proposal to extend it another 30 years after that date, to be decided by the main victors). It's like you didn't even read it.

You can when said country is a few decades old

I love the name Berolinsk. It's the second syllable you're supposed to stress, right?

ITT:
>Germany is 140 years old
What a bunch of imbicilles...

United Germany is
This point stands
If Germans managed to live for centuries in dufferent countries before 1871, there's no reason they cannot by 1919

Ban wars for 50 years

What, HA HA HA, I ... I think you got this the wrong way round.

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t. Gianpaolo Tortellini

Give Bosnia to Croatia and Macedonia and Vojvodina to Serbia and leave Montenegro independant. You just saved 2 million lives

Not very hard.
Blame the old regime ; imprison, exile or execute previous government. Fragment Germany in several states. DO NOT give land to neighboring countries as France has proven that it's no longer 1815 and that nations get really salty about this.
The newly formed states are to have an incomplete industry that forces them to trade with the winners of the war. Integrate them in a system of alliances with the winners that guarantees their territory and ensures that they're safe and that they won't be united either at the same time.
Be cool about reparations and occupation, that's not the solution. Make it so that the best option is to peacefully trade with other Europeans. Germanic would-be states can be powerful in man many ways, just not in heavy industry and armament.
Situation solved.