Name a more safe investment (assuming you're American)

Name a more safe investment (assuming you're American).
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really?
no one?

you might be a little too late for the rally if you read the news about gun stocks soaring

Not stocks bby, the genuine article.

Bitbean.

Ammo?

>safe investment
>a deadly weapon

what did he mean by this?

An IDF Tavor or X95 so (((they))) can get a taste of 556 in their own creation

Ehhh
If shit hits the fan, ammo will still be able to be made with relative ease.
But the manufacturing required to make a high quality gun will be impossible.

He's just an edgy retard.

But what if you want to sell parts?
Nothing makes you more safe from deadly weapons than a deadly weapon.

In what scenario will (mint condition) gun prices plummet?
Laser rifles?

how about a hole in the ground?

that "safe investment" will only rise in value significantly enough to offset the amount of money you could have earned with income-producing assets if SHTF. prices only rise temporarily when Dems get into office.


but to answer your question, gold. because the end of fiat is much more likely than civil war, especially with China and Russia taking steps to subvert the petrodollar

>Implying the end of fiat won't be SHTF and vice versa
Gold will be worth less than paper money in true SHTF because you can't burn it.

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Do guns appreciate in value?

No. You're retarded.

Guns are stupidly easy to produce. You would be better off stockpiling fuel, food, and computers.

Where ever there is war, yes.
But that's not why you buy them.
In a SHTF scenario, there will not be a single commodity that will be more desired and liquid.
And, worst case scenario, they will literally not lose value ever until an alternative is invented.
They're not a very sexy investment but not even precious metal has this kind of stability.
There is more than 1 gun to every American and they're still hundreds of dollars new.

>ar15 gimp
>not an ak47

>Stockpiling things that can be instantly taken from you by somebody with a gun
>Implying you can't trade guns for any of those things
>Implying those things will swell in value as much as an instant feeder/protector object in SHTF
>"Guns are stupidly easy to produce."
I would love to see a gun you made in your garage.
Not even an argument, kek

So they're valuable in a scenario where the country is in total anarchy and life as any of us knows it is total shit. Nice just bought 100k.

AR 15 is the most common intermediate caliber rifle in the US making the parts alone valuable in SHTF.
AKs are less than half as common.
They won't be worthless but since they currently cost almost the same, AR15 is better.
Also, I dare you to tell /k/ an AK is more reliable.
It's literally not true.

>So they're valuable in a scenario where the country is in total anarchy and life as any of us knows it is total shit.
Same reason people tell me to buy precious metal.
Also, you can just sell them with 0 loss if you change your mind about SHTF.

But anybody who bought an AR-15 a decade ago is literally a bag holder now. I remember when you couldn't touch one for under a grand. Now you can pick the fuckers up for $400-$500 and even colts go for under a G. The real money is in Milsurp, C&R and antique shit. If you bought mosins by the crate when they were under $100 a share (Rifle), you'd be looking at a decent ROI right now.

>this

I'm a mechanical engineer. I can guarantee you there are *at least* five machine shops within a one mile radius of your current location capable of pdoducing firearms. FFS, you could even make a crude one with parts from Home Depot.

I'm not saying you should be unarmed, but you're a flaming retard if you stockpile 100 AR-15's and only minimal fuel or food.

>dat gold ID

They will never dip below 500 new, wouldn't even be profitable to make them at that point.
The market is flooded right now (and they're not consumable), that's why I say now is the time.
Also, Colts aren't top tier AR's...

>capable of making
>dat gap between capability and actual production

Yeah, just go ask them to make you a full auto AK while you're at it. They'll surely do it, no questions asked.

Guns are really not that complicated. I know you prepper types have a habit of fetishizing them, but the reality is that they're dumb old technology because nobody smart really cares about making them better.

In real SHTF, immobile assets are stripped clean. No serious machine shop will be operable. And if they are, you'll need, specifically, a gunsmith.
>FFS, you could even make a crude one with parts from Home Depot.
Hell no, just as likely to kill you.
Home Depot gun bois will get shrekt by anybody with a gun that has a rifled barrel.

I'm just saying it's not a great idea if you want to stay out of jail. I'd love to own a fully auto AK if it was legal, and would even look at making it. I'm fully aware that a metal lathe is not that complicated.

/k/ doesnt know shit. ar15 is popular because the merica meme. that shit jams up with some dirt and mud. ak47s last and are built to handle heat.

the city im in wont allow it. i want to move soon

>nobody smart really cares about making them better.
Boi, if somebody was able to qualitatively improve conventional small arms, they would be an instant Billionaire.
You are talking out your ass.

lol Jew York.

>Colts are top tier

No they aren't but they are still a standard to a degree. /K/ommandos like us won't see them as such maybe, but to a first time buyer that wants something "higher quality" than an M&P, colts tend to be the natural step up.

>They will never dip below $500 new
KEK!

Gold will never be valueless.

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You are an idiot, stop talking.

Can it feed or protect you in a war zone?
Is it heavy?
Do you need access to high tech manufacturing markets for it to be valuable?
Fine, you got me but I bet you that particular sale is at a loss to clear inventory space.

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Also, you will literally need to buy a 50 dollar rear for that gun to be worth anything at all.
I was assuming fully functioning guns when I said 500.

CDNN is a liquidator, I'll give you that, but it's still a valid avenue as far as I'm concerned. There's always good deals to be had if you're willing to shop around. Also if you aren't on their mailing list, it's worth considering signing up. I miss the days when they put out quarterly catalogues, but they realized that with email they can shill daily. They've always got some interesting shit marked lower than most retailers.

t. noguns

Hmmm. DC? Closest I can think of.

Gold.
Land.
NAK.

>Gold.
Debunked ITT.
>Land.
Utterly non-liquid and useless in SHTF unless arable and then you still have to defend and farm it.
>NAK.
Now I know I'm being memed.

That's why I have 3 ARs alone. Plus 7 other guns. Safe investments that you can have fun with and using them hardly sheds value. Hard to find better toys.

>Can it feed or protect you in a war zone?
Absolutely if you stash it. Presumably the "muh anarchy" people won't last very long. It's not going to be like Escape from New York or Mad Max, sorry bro.
>Is it heavy?
You bet your ass it is. See point 1 for a means of keeping it to yourself.
>Do you need high tech manufacturing markets for it to be valuable?
No. Just look at the Aztecs. They valued gold; only the royalty was in possession of it. You're assuming, again, that the world will just be sheer chaos. In that case, it's not really worthwhile to save anything, much less gold. I contend that idea though. I think rudimentary governments would shortly emerge from the ashes.

>Debunked ITT.
Oh, you've lived through an all-consuming world war with gold on your person? And no one wanted it at all? Interesting user, tell me more

Read about modern civilians caught between battle lines.
Stockpilers are raided first in IRL SHTF. Unless you stocked up on something that intrinsically gives you the ability to defend your stockpile (guns).
>Aztecs
A civilization that took mushrooms to decide who to behead next. We are not Aztecs. We will not arbitrarily value something without a use in times of need.
>rudimentary governments would shortly emerge from the ashes.
Sure, composed of the invading force.
Face it, gold has a lot of built in assumptions.
Plenty of scenarios where it's utterly worthless.
Meanwhile, guns are at peak worthlessness and still cost 500 dollars.

Unironically a shotgun.
Less parts more available ammo best suited for shooting your way out/hunting.
Worse case scenario it's easier to make your own ammo.
Even worse case scenario you can use it to bash someone's skull in.

I don't have to go to Death Valley to tell you with confidence that it's hot.
Can you name a single scenario when gold appreciated in value in a conflict zone?
Like I said, read about life in a warzone.
Cigs, coffee, batteries, booze, medicine and guns rocket in value (notice how one of these things can help you acquire the rest).
Gold never does.
History is against your claim.
The burden of proof is on you.

>more available ammo
There are litterally more 556/223s than 12g shells in the US.
>best suited for shooting your way out
No military issues a shotgun as the standard firearm, so incorrect.
>hunting
Only for birds. 12g slugs are even less common than 12g shot.
>Worse case scenario it's easier to make your own ammo.
Maybe but you still need primers so they're both a bout as difficult to make. But bullets are so plentiful that you can consider yourself dead if you're having to reload 223s out of necessity.
>Even worse case scenario you can use it to bash someone's skull in.
Movie-tier logic.

>Even worse case scenario you can use it to bash someone's skull in.
Even worst case scenario: it's literally just as good as a stick.
Way to optimism.

Yugoslavia,venezuela etc etc,any country really were the economy goes to shit thus a black market develops,after a few weeks people will start trading and gold can buy you dollars or an outside non plummeted currency.
It's not that it appreciatedoesn't is that its value remained while the currency went down.
Example you sell your gold out of venezuela thus ignore the exchange rates,get some dollars,buy shit in black market,result cheaper gold so buyers and dollars availeable so people willing to make a living out of it,also it can buy you and early way out as you get the fuck out without having to worry about bank accounts or chaos,just buy your way out of the country to a safe place.
Not in my country

Non standard but still it's issued as an specialist weapon for many years before bullet vests became a thing and when fighting against let's say "looters" you have a 99.99%chance it's ghetto niggs with no bullet vests so you're golden.

In yurop you mainly have hunting with shotguns or rifles.

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Don't be a nigga learn to make your own shit.
It's still unreliable Af of course but better than nothing and with a shotgun you can make your own bullets basically using compressed paper.
Try it,it's fun to make your own ammo as shtf LARPing of course you'll have plenty of ammo and you can consider yourself fucked if you need to rely on a shitty self made primer but still.

I was joking about it being useful to hit someone with it (knifes are readily availeable)

>gold can buy you dollars or an outside non plummeted currency.
Yea but you won't have made a penny in overall wealth. The global demand for gold didn't go up. It's just that some people from "Yugoslavia, Venezuela etc etc" has a less shitty currency than the national one that tanked that consequently allowed them to still buy some things with a fraction of whatever net wealth they had before.
A wash at best, assuming you ONLY had gold, lol.

I agree with you in that weapons are essential,i only disagree on the kind of weapon that is best suited(in my case)

Well it went up in value compared to the currency,same thing could be argued about anything else,it's not like the cans of baked beans increased in value in London but in Yugoslavia they did,or like the area went up in value at the factory it's simply that in the conflict area it becomes highly valued.

Hummm i forgot something else about the shotgun,you don't look like a rich fag,even a well armed guy if he has shinny nice guns that might become a good nuff reason to kill him,a shotgun is a piece of junk afterall.

>Well it went up in value compared to the currency,same thing could be argued about anything else
No, that's where you're wrong.
For the sake of argument, lets assume 2 people each have 1000 USD.
One buys 1000 USD of guns, the other gold.
If SHTF, gold guy can offload his gold, sure, but he's only going to get ~1000 (preSHTF) USD worth of foreign currency or whatever for it, assuming he doesn't die or get price gouged.
Meanwhile, gun guy can now trade for possibly 1,000,000 (preSHTF) USD worth of anything without having to go with a special exchange market at all.
And as I said, guns are are peak uselessness presently.
Guns are safer than gold, period.

So basically you're trying to suggest that people be nogunz, wait until SHTF, and only *then* go LARP as a gunsmith in a random machine shop someplace?

Because the only alternative to that brilliant strategy is to buy 100 ARs to the exclusion of all else.

Makes complete sense, bro -- thanks for setting us straight.

Land I guess.

Guns and land aren't a bad combo.

Ok now you went full retard nigga. Do you honestly not own a shotty boom botty? because you're sounding more and more like a bag holder here. If you want to survive there's literally no reason to up your shotgun holdings from zero too. You can not argue that a shotgun is somehow worse for hunting than an AR-15. There is nary a reason not to hold one good shotgun (Long mossberg unless you buy a pre-freedom group Remington) and stock pile some buck and some field loads. It makes feeding yourself far easier. Diversify my nigga! I own like 10 guns for a reason, and if money wasn't a factor I'd own a million.

>No reason to not up your shotgun holding from zero to at least one
Jesus christ this sake got me slurrin' on my keyboard.

>So basically you're trying to suggest that people be nogunz, wait until SHTF, and only *then* go LARP as a gunsmith in a random machine shop someplace?
You could only tease that argument out of my posts if you were retarded.
>buy 100 ARs to the exclusion of all else.
Beats the shit out of precious metal and other "essentials", as I've already demonstrated twice in this thread. As an American, in a decent state, there is no downside or risk whatsoever.

Land is only good if you can hold the land, and OP seems to be suggesting that if you own an Armalite rifle, you don't need dick else besides the batteries. If you're going to go survivalist, you kinda have to go all the way and start buying books on making IED and home weapon building/gunsmithing/ gun modifying, because if you want to wargame society collapsing, you should at least know how to make some black powder bombs and poor man's Napalm (Got the recipe for that one down in my head because I'm a fucking retard like OP), especially if you want to secure your land gains.

I didn't say they were worse functionally for taking game, but ammo availability wise, which will matter in SHTF, it's no match for a .223 gun.

Also, AR doesn't stand for Armalite.
And yes, assuming you can trade with people, you won't need dick else, guaranteed.
I mean, sure, have a weeks worth of food but you serious investing dosh should defiantly go to guns before fucking gold or another """"safe"""" investment.

****your
****definitely

Take another look at the poster to whom I was replying (hint: not you)

fuck, sorry

See:
Who was kind enough to lay out what I meant. It's not that gold is going to rocket in value, but that it is still a viable investment, in that it will REMAIN valuable, even at reduced rates of value.

Well sure, it's more fun because I guess it can go up without some sort of massive upheaval but it's not actually the most pessimistic, good investment there is like I said in the OP.