How was the quality life in the Soviet Union at its peak?

And lest I forget - definitely more conscript abuse, suicide and rape in the military!

Look out OP. Shock Doctrine is a socialist trap wrong in every way. Low hanging fruit for debunking.

they had less obesity

Knowing a guy, gulags, and vodka

Burning up on re-entry too but US toppled that with Columbia

Definitely ahead in terms of military deaths.

Also leading in terms of fatal nuclear accidents - especially with regards to "not telling the search and rescue people shit".

So also leading in eventual thyroid cancers!

At its peak did the USSR have a realistic end goal for its populace? Did they plan on giving everyone full houses eventually through communism or were apartments always the plan?

Seeing as construction of houses was ridiculously restricted - you had a maximum area and number of floors you could build on a house you paid for, for proletarian reasons - I'm going to say no.

After all, collectivism was pretty core to all their crap.

says a lot that obesity is now a poor problem in the west

Oh look, it's another "Americans who think they know everything about communism from watching Cold War propaganda and conservative wingnuttery" episode.
Living standards were modest in the USSR, and they fell behind on things like car ownership and living space, but anyone who says they waited in line all day only to get a single potato is deluded. Housing size was rather small, but homelessness was rare. Worker productivity wasn't spectacular (by the 70s it became less common to be transferred if you were incompetent), but unemployment was virtually nonexistent. Most Soviets had a rather limited range of foods to eat, but after the 1940s nobody starved, and caloric intake was surprisingly high. Stocks in grocery stores were unpredictable, so people offset that by buying whatever was available when they could, then keeping it in their larder.

During Kruschev era, commieblocks were considered a temporary measure, detached housing with single family units was plannned to get built around the late 80s, Soviets thought they'd have enough resources to do that by then. Ironically that's when the country collapsed.
Other countries like Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia which were much richer than the USSR managed to build a ton of single family houses through interest-free loans.
Don't listen to this guy he's a fucking idiot.

average people didn't have a phone, car, or tv.

he is going all out

Car no, but everyone had phone. And TV too but that much later than the west.

Probably not

Capitalism makes for a better life for everyone despite the divide especially today. Communism isn't relevant anymore to anyone but idealistic larpers.

Western lies
Only in the late 80's in certain cities
Go eat a burger Americuck

I'm not sad empire of evil is gone.

yea still sounds like shit

True, but then again, most Americans in the 1970s and 1980s had what we'd consider limited food options too.

>it was shit compared to USA but not all the time in certain aspect lmao
commies gonna com

So I had a Great Uncle that got cancer back in the early 80s. which at the time was a death sentence. So he and his wife went and traveled the world as much as they could between treatments and surgery.

they went to moscow sometime in the mid 80s. staying at what was supposed to be a nicer hotel for foreigners. there was no soap in their bathroom. so he goes down to the front desk, because no phone in the room. the desk clerk picks up a box from under the counter and tells him to take his pick. the box was full of used bars of soap.

Fucking elaborate dumbass you mean poor people couldn't buy steaks? Or do you mean because of a retarded centrally planned economy there literally was a shortage of food

>Shock Doctrine
yeah we definitely fucked up the Katrina response in the name of charter schools

Healthcare for everybody. Something the US will never have.

Nice dubs but you going all out

I'm confused.

Is that why the average life expectancy never reached western levels? Is that why Russia today, despite being a shithole, surpassed the average peak life expectancy in the USSR?

You should travel to Georgia, Tadjikistan ,Kirgizstan ,Ukraine and say them about quality of their modern capitalism. 2017-1991=26. 26 years has been enough for feel quality of capitalism fully.

the U.S.A. is special country. the Earth economical model based on the U.S. Dollar as the Earth inter-country trade currency.

I realize the "textbook" you had at school, Ivan, said it was all pretty tits, and you had to kneel before fake WWII veterans as a kid, but I was both born and lived in the USSR.

Size of private housing was limited both in terms of how big the plot of land could be, and how spacious the house could be.

Private ownership for one household was limited to one living space metres by article 106 of the Civil code, and the space of that living space was set a maximum of 60 square metres by the RFSFR Council of Ministers, and you either fucking know it, or are an ignorant Sovietboo.

You could buy shit sausage, salted fish and other crap. You could not get actual meat, butter or anything worth eating without knowing a guy, and you know it.

And if you tell me "these are luxury goods, no one was starving", don't bother - all of this was plentiful before the Soviet system, and after it finally collapsed.

>Stocks in grocery stores were unpredictable

Under central planning? Yeah, that makes sense. By which I mean you're a lying piece of shit.

There was no starvation and you could get potatoes, stop inventing strawmen, you cunt - over 70% of the average diet was fucking potatoes and grain.

>unemployment was virtually nonexistent

Jesus fucking Christ. BECAUSE YOU LITERALLY COULD NOT BE UNEMPLOYED.

Starting with Article 60 of the USSR Constitution, the entire system of hiring and was constructed around pretend zero unemployment.

You mean the rising of life expectancy by almost 10 among those countries? Pic very much related. I specifically picked the countries you mentioned.

Or maybe you prefer infant mortality rates?

What is a longer life worth of you live in misery

t. antinatalist

Not an argument.

Its clearly not as miserable if you're not dying of shit 10 years earlier, is it? And considering none voted communists back into power I'd say most agree that communism was far more miserable.

kitchen debate 1959

>Did the USSR every surpass the U.S in any measurable way?
Ofcourse not, but atleast the gap was closing while the Yeltsin years turned Russia into a third world country. People keep comparing the USSR to the US instead of with the russian empire or the post-soviet states. See pic related.

Literally lost years.

people keep talking about the lack of consumer goods in the USSR as if they suddenly appeared in the 90s and it didn't get worse
it took TWENTY years for GDP of all 15 former soviet republics to match that of the soviet union right before its collapse

educate yourself, cuck
look at that plunge in the 90s

Non meme answer.
Free education, healthcare, public transport and vacations.
The streets were clean, no drugs, people looked out for others and almost no unemployment.
That being said the ussr was still behind with privately owned things, like cars.

oh, and some FSU republics are still at a lower GDP than in 1990, it's been 27 fucking years already
it's why the ukrainian government went all out on destroying its communist heritage, cause people are 40% poorer on average than 27 years ago

>educate yourself, cuck
>calls people cuck while cucking for a dead ideology that directly and indirectly killed millions of people
Top kek

>look at that plunge in the 90s
After which it rebounded higher than at any point in the USSR and breaking 70 years for the first time in history? Love how you cut off your graph. Who's the cuck again, faggot?

>it rebounded
>twenty-five years later life expectancy for men is half a year higher
>meanwhile that valley of 25 years accounts for millions of excess deaths

>I make up things

>GDP per capita
>no accounting for purchasing power
man, ukraine is doing so well, they're at 64% of 1991 purchasing power already! capitalism, it just works!

>life expectancy in the soviet union in 1959: 68.67 years
>life expectancy in the soviet union in 1989: 69.73 Years
30 years of communism ladies and gentlemen

>MUH UKRAINE
Love how you have to grab exceptions to the rule to even have a semblance of a point, meanwhile turning points are suspiciously just after the collapse of Communism and literally everyone except Ukraine and Molodova are better off.

>the state of lefticucks

if communism is so good why did it collapse???

Because i-*COLLAPSE*

Mistakes were made, a lot of mistakes.

>look, I can read a graph
congrats pal, between khrushchev and gorbachev, brezhnev oversaw a long-lasting "valley" of life expectancy reduction but as you can see it wasn't nearly as steep as the plunge in life expectancy in the 90s
>everyone except ukraine and moldova are better off
yes, but see I know reading comprehension is hard but it's not unreasonable for an economy to grow after 27 years, but russia had only 20% growth in PP after 25 years, it would've been much higher if communism had continued

Because it was seriously flawed. But look at how the FSU states are doing now, most still don't have the democracy they were expecting in 1990, they don't have the excess of consumer goods the west has, they have high as fuck unemployment, people leaving for the west en masse, homelessness came back after being eradicated

>>look, I can read a graph
>congrats pal, between khrushchev and gorbachev, brezhnev oversaw a long-lasting "valley" of life expectancy reduction but as you can see it wasn't nearly as steep as the plunge in life expectancy in the 90s
Whoah! It's almost as if communism has something to do with communist countries caving in on themselves after which in 20 years they surpass the literal "peak" of communism.

>I know reading comprehension is hard but it's not unreasonable for an economy to grow after 27 years, but russia had only 20% growth in PP after 25 years, it would've been much higher if communism had continued
Ah, yes, totally, that's why communism collapsed, because it was growing. I guess you must be blind because you missed . Pic very much related you illiterate retard.

>I make up more things
As expected of a communist retard.

Inefficiencies of the system

But really the most important reason is that the USSR depended upon oil exports to fund their state. Once the price of oil went down it did irreparable harm. There was nothing else to fall back on.

It's not a strawman if there are people who genuinely think Russians were starving or almost starving in the 70s.

Reminds me of a certain Latin American country
Why is it that socialists and commies think that they should focus on oil and not diversify their economies ?

Russia has never been able to adapt.

People died in large numbers in the 90s in parts of the former USSR. Living standards and health in Russia particularly declined during the Yeltsin years.

They adapted to getting raped by Mongols that one time

And now it increased above the most prosperous era of communism and that's despite literally no one promoting Russia as a case example of capitalism, except for straw manning communists that also conveniently ignore places like Poland or the Czech republic.

>still using GDP instead of purchasing power
>completely ignoring how people didn't have to pay for healthcare, education and other public utilities (this is not included in GDP per capita despite healthcare and education being very expensive)
>holy shit, economies grow over time?????
Even in countries which did improve significantly after communism (and I do not deny this cause I'm not a dogmatic retard like you), people still prefer certain aspects of communist life. In the Czech republic, where people are definitely better off now, still around 70% think employment and the social safety net were better before.

Most countries that collapse do so not long after they peak.

>it increased above most prosperous era of communism
The USSR didn't have serious issues with HIV, crime, tuberculosis, or homelessness at its peak.

>Even in countries which did improve significantly after communis
Meaning literally every communist country barring a few exceptions that you parrot.

> (and I do not deny this cause I'm not a dogmatic retard like you)
No, you're a retarded communist from a western university that claims communism would just work out great had it not collapsed in on itself. Nuff said.

>people still prefer certain aspects of communist life. In the Czech republic, where people are definitely better off now, still around 70% think employment and the social safety net were better before.
Then they'd vote in communist parties into office. Oh, that's not a legitimate measure of public support according to you, asking people in arbitrary polls is. I bet they also loved soviet tanks in Prague, innit?

No, it just had millions in Ghulags and an infant mortality comparable to modern day Africa, but that's okay according to you. The drug addicts and sexual diseases that practically didn't exist in the world the time are the REAL problem.

Maybe if the communists wouldn't have ran the country into the ground to the point of it collapsing some of those problems wouldn't be as prevalent but apparently its the fault of capitalism that communism collapsed.

I've spoken to many Russians about it and they are mostly neutral on the differences between the USSR and modern Russia. They're a lot more nuanced than the shit-flinging partisans in this thread, they'll say X got better while Y got worse and Z is the same etc.
but all of them told me that stories about constant shortages, breadlines and starvation in the second half of the 20th century were made up bullshit, and it's not hard to imagine considering they were a space-faring superpower
Once met a really old russian (in his 80s, which is pretty exceptional for a russian) who said stalin was a hero

>Complete bullshit comrade!

>Meaning literally every communist country barring a few exceptions that you parrot.
It's been almost 30 years retard, how would they not have developed more?
>Then they'd vote communist parties into office
The 1996 elections in Russia had to be rigged by the americans to prevent the communist candidate from winning. Around 75% of people voted to preserve the soviet union in the 1991 referendum. Hoxha's party has won this year's elections in Albania. Communist parties in many ex-communist countries are a lot bigger and get more votes than those in western countries.

holy shit how am I supposed to debate you liberals if you keep coming up with blatant lies

that picture is from 1917 you fucking retard

>Communism kills! Capitalism brings prosperity!

>Never happened comrade

>It's been almost 30 years retard, how would they not have developed more?
>Almost
They way it developed from the 1950's to the 1990's right? By falling increasingly behind the capitalist west, right? The fact some former communist countries like Slovenia and the Czech republic literally over taking some of the capitalist west after the dissolution of Communism never happened, right?

>The 1996 elections in Russia had to be rigged
>evil capitalists rigging our elections
Did they also rig elections in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Croatia etc?

>shoot people who try to emigrated, build walls and have internal passports
>see, comrade, when we don't allow the people to leave they stay, glory to communism!

The GULAG shrank drastically in the 50s and closed in the 60s.
>infant mortality comparable to Africa
Source?
>tuberculosis, drugs, etc weren't a serious problem in the world in the 1970s and 80s
Are you retarded?

>when the deaths per capita under yeltsin are up to twice as large as at the end of stalin's reign
based yeltsin

t. kulak kulakovich

>picture from 1990 in lithuania while it is under a blockade
you're making this too fucking easy, first you show a pic from before the soviet union and then during its transition to capitalism
jesus fucking christ

Look at the graph dude, if it really were the authorities holding people back there would've been a plunge in population right after the USSR's collapse and then it'd continue growing again like before 1992
instead there's been constant emigration cause it's constantly in decline

seriously, do some research into the propaganda you are spreading
one pic before the soviet union and one during its collapse, you're fucking embarassing

>diversify economy
Such a bourgeoise idea, why spend money on keeping the economy the same value when you could give everyone a FREE education

What if people didn't do drugs and instead were God's faithful

...

How did Americans rig the election when everyone in the civil service and responsible for the election was a former communist

Education isn't free in Venezuela, retard.

Also communism only worked better in Russia cthan the other countries because russia had a shit ton of natural resources like oil especially that allowed them to have a higher standard of living compared to china or indie whose socialist systems didnt do much because of high population and lack of resources.

>we didn't arbitrarily imprison as many people as before comrade, glory to communism

>never happened its capitalist propaganda, comrade, just like concept of meat

here's how it was

>everybody was equally poor (except the higher ups and their kids but it wasn't immediately visible)
>no one was destitute though and everybody had access to healthcare, unemployment was impossible because you'd be assigned a job
>worst part is your teacher/neighbor could be snooping on you for any possible anti-Communist behavior and reporting you
>also stores, while full, had like 7 products in them and whenever they had stuff like bananas or grapes, people would line up for hours to get them

In keeping with Russian laws at the time, Zyuganov spent less than three million dollars on his campaign. Estimates of Yeltsin’s spending, by contrast, range from $700 million to $2.5 billion. (David M. Kotz, Russia’s Path from Gorbachev to Putin, 2007) This was a clear violation of law, but it was just the tip of the iceberg.

In February 1996, at the urging of the United States, the International Monetary Fund (which describes itself as “an organization of 188 countries, working to foster global monetary cooperation”) supplied a $10.2 billion “emergency infusion” to Russia.The money disappeared as Yeltsin used it to shore up his reputation and to buy votes. He forced the Central Bank of Russia to provide an additional $1 billion for his campaign, too. Meanwhile, a handful of Russian oligarchs, notably several big contributors residing in Israel, provided more billions for the Yeltsin campaign.

In the spring of 1996, Yeltsin and his campaign manager, billionaire privatizer Anatoly Chubais, recruited a team of financial and media oligarchs to bankroll the Yeltsin campaign and guarantee favorable media coverage on national television and in leading newspapers. In return, Chubais allowed well-connected Russian business leaders to acquire majority stakes in some of Russia’s most valuable state-owned assets.

>people eat bread and grain
Stop the presses.

>mfw my parents would smuggle jeans and (real)coffee from Austria and Italy
>mfw banas were exotic fruits
>mfw there was like 3 types of automobiles in the entire country
>mfw no face

>Implying London and NYC are on the same level.

>never happened its capitalist propaganda, comrade, just like concept of meat
>snarky responses to deflect from the fact he just posted one picture from 1917 and one picture from 1990 to "prove" the USSR had breadlines

Turns out if you're communist you also dislike meat

>haha the fact our central planning failed to provide food to stores is the fault of capitalism or it never happened
>haha no, its a lie that thousands of tonnes of food stuffs literally rotted away while people were lining in front of stores