Why were Finns so disorganized and primitive in comparison to their neighbours?

European HGS never accomplished shit

Indo-Europeans were EHG

Ganghis Gann :DDD

Who has the most EHG ancestry now?
Sami? Komi? What have they done?

Hwan gene bombs during the youknowhwat

Wrong, they both have subhuman Sibirid admixture.

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So why then is EHG superior when it couldn't defend itself from Siberids and is now extinct?

Because it birthed Indo-Europeans, a group that had the most impact on the course of world history.
>couldn't defend itself
They never lived in Sibirid wastelands, but whenever they encountered Mongoloids they killed them. This can be seen in the Khvalynsk culture, for instance, where the heavily patriarchal pure EHG Indo-Europeans put Q Mongoloids back in their place. EEF, on the other hand, couldn't defend themselves and got subjugated by Indo-European EHG men.

>but whenever they encountered Mongoloids they killed them

So why do Finns exist then?

And CHG

Yamnaya were R1b-Z2103 mongrels and not the original Indo-Europeans

Kek

>where the heavily patriarchal pure EHG Indo-Europeans put Q Mongoloids back in their place.
What?

>Individual 10433, belonging to Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, is almost a pure Eastern European Hunter-Gatherer, which is perhaps surprising, considering he was buried with copper artifacts. On the other hand, sample 10434, the one belonging to haplogroup Q1a, and positioned further east than the other two, appears to have been whacked over the head a few times and simply thrown into a ditch.

eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-khvalynsk-men.html

Corded Ware plots directly between Yamna and NE German Neolithic. Their steppe side had the exact same level of CHG.

He wasn't Mongoloid though he was ANE.

No European sample before 1500 BC has any Mongoloid admixture.

Proto-Uralic interaction with Indo-Europeans that led to the development of Finns only occurred after the Indo-Europeans had diluted their genes with European farmer populations and migrated back eastward towards the Urals.

Finns never interacted with the original Indo-Europeans.

>Davidski
>is obviously Polish
>mentions the R1a Khvalynsk sample
>doesn't mention the R1b Khvalynsk sample though :^)
Interesting

Admittedly he does mention it in the comments when someone calls him out for it, but still. And for anyone wondering, here is the description of the R1b sample.
>Male (confirmed genetically), age 20-30, positioned on his back with raised knees, with 293 copper artifacts, mostly beads, amounting to 80% of the copper objects in the combined cemeteries of Khvalynsk I and II. Probably a high-status individual, his Y-chromosome haplotype, R1b1, also characterized the high status individuals buried under kurgans in later Yamnaya graves in this region, so he could be regarded as a founder of an elite group of patrilineally related families. His MtDNA haplotype H2a1 is unique in the Samara series.

Finland is just geographically remote, too far noth, and doesn't have any strategic resources. With all technological and cultural developments reaching it with delay and there being a lack of trade opportunities, is it really a mystery?

Davidski is actually the closest thing to a sane Pole in the geneshit circuit. All the other ones subscribe to some insane bullshit pseudoscience.

He's still got a bias though. He never blogged about the iron age samples from Poland who were I1 and G.

Bullshit, the earliest ones were pure EHG.

They didn't really do anything compared to Corded Ware and Corded Ware mainly went for easy kills against farmers living in a frozen wasteland

No

The entire map is shit

Scandinavia was never a feudal society, most of the traditions and hierarchies remained after christianity was introduced

It is probably based on Sven the Sacrificer who usurped Inge the Elder when he tried to stop sacrifices at the Temple at Uppsala.

Thats not the only thing wrong, Novgorod was not that far north at this time for example

Oh look, its another baseless assertions about genetic markers thread

Actually after protestant autism was introduced to area

Things did actually change more when Protestantism was introduced, Christianity of course had a huge impact in Scandinavia during the middle ages but it had a much slower effect compared to the reformation.

Protestantism is retarded and inferior to Catholicism

ummnm? Sweety?

I am impressed by all the names of the Saami tribes and things. I get the impression they did their research, however the map is an arbitrary mish mash of all the sources they found (which were probably from different eras).

The map should have had shaded areas, for instance if you know a tribe was centered here or a historical figure was centered there you can speculate they had influence on the surrounding area, though not with certainty. If your source comes from 100 years later you can speculate the tribe might have had precursors in that area and put a question mark after their name. As long as you represent uncertainty that's fine I think.

Also much of Sweden was pagan, if Sven versus Inge represented some kind of conflict between pagans and christians it might be worth representing the division between christian Sweden and pagan Sweden.

There actually seems to be to many Sami tribes and the Finnish tribes on the other hand seems to be all wrong. The Finns shouldn't have any clear borders and the three in the middle i doubt even existed. South Bothnia? There has never been a South Bothnia, only West, North and East

>Nationalism is retarded and inferior to Globalism

Catholicism is only superior in the minds of LARPing nonbelievers.

There's nothing wrong with """"globalism"""" if it prevents war, at least between the good European nations.

Catholics BTFOing Orthocucks together would've been sweet.

Are you retarded? Catholic countries fought each other all the time

Only because the Pope didn't have absolute control

They were still mongoloids then germanics moved and mixed with them snd that is why you Caucasian people talking a mongoloid language

The popes absolute control would only have caused more reformation movements to pop up

They could've been squashed to defend civilization from Germanic treeniggers

You can't defend civilization when you lack it yourself

>He wasn't Mongoloid though he was ANE.
ANE has ENA admixture. This was already conjectured back in January.
academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/4/889/2838774/A-Working-Model-of-the-Deep-Relationships-of

With the recent Tianyuan paper,there seems to be multiple ENA clades that led to the formation of modern day East Asians some of which contributed to ANE.
drive.google.com/file/d/0B8XSV9HEoqpFUVlsQU5VY1RXd3c/view

I mean, perhaps 30 to 40 thousand people lived in the country at the time. Hard to organize any sort of a society with so few.

So does WHG compared to K14/Sungir.

memes first then civilisation

>So does WHG compared to K14/Sungir.
The ENA that contributed to WHG/ANE seems to be a pre-Ami basal East Asian not Tianyuan or the other ENA branches.

Shame that there wasn't any yDNA from the aforementioned paper.

Norway was still a unified state during Pagan times

Until proven otherwise I'm gonna think that Burma is the source of haplogroup RQ and most of the East Eurasian admix in West Eurasians.

It makes at least some sense given the close relation to the P of Luzon Negritos.

ANE/EHG could have other arctic elements in the mix. CZ is a very old mtDNA split which has nothing at all to do with SE Asia and not that much with East Asia either.

Finlands population was at least 100k at that time, you are still sort of right with your point though.

>population in the 13th century is estimate ~65k
>had at least 100k at 1082
Wew

Sweden had ca 400k while Norway had ca 200k
There is no way that the Finnish population grew so much faster, especially considering Finland had more misgrowth after the middle ages
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography#Demographic_tables

Finland went from 700k to 2.5 million in the 19th century because of high birth rates

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Swedes brought agriculture to large parts of Finland, and also migrated there by the thousands, which might have led to significant growth.

>65 000
>300 000
Explain that

Three centuries?

Number of Amish people in America went from 100 to 300000 in 200 years.

Explain THAT.

swedish settlers

The rest of the world did not grow in so large proportions during those centuries

The rest of the world did not have the same situation as Finland.

Africa for example is now growing at a faster rate than the global average

You can't compare population growth the last 3 centuries to population growth during the middle ages

And you also can't compare an empty land devoid of settlements to Western Europe and yet you do anyway. Also, Finland wasn't hit by the Black Plague

I compared it to Scandinavia, not Western Europe. Huge difference.

This is the same meme argument about sardinia

Sure, Scandinavia wasn't as densely settled and still isn't but nothing compared to Finland. There were still some population centers spread across the land. Finland was pretty much empty.

This is quite true. Usually everything new comes here a bit late. Even more so a few decades ago. The plus side is that we also get the news about what is good and what is shit beforehand

No it isn't, ever heard of the industrial revolution? The two eras are not comparable in this regard

Industral revolution played a marginal role in the Amish growth rate of quadrupling per generation.

Because they were inferior to a Nordic Nordic man.

low population density

Yes. when the cult of saints died with it died old ways of honoring gods of hunt, forest and fishing because people used almost exactly same traditions for saints as they did to old gods. Catholic finland would be much closer to old ways than the modern protestant one

>finland
I was talking about Scandinavia though, i do not agree that its the same thing in Finland since the swedish takeover changed so much.

>>finland
>swedish takeover changed so much.
Non-problem. Swedes were cucked af and even tough their crusades started in 11th century finnish paganism was strong till 20th century. It just prought christ-cuckism and feudalism with it and even that was weak af and finns were more like opportunistic soldiers and fake-believers.

Christianity was just a part of their god-pantheon till reformation autism decided to call every old habit a heresy

they weren't