Has there been a more heartlessly evil ideology in history as communism?

Tick tock
How is fascism better than communism?

You don't get paid the same wage no matter what job you do. Its more fair.

Its human nature to live under fascist hierarchy.

Nazism.

What's wrong with Fascism?

>What's wrong with Communism?
Communism doesn't have wages.

Tribalism, despotism, absolute monarchy, (((nazism))), most of the theocracies. The world don't had started in 2000.

Because Americans secretly enjoy capitalistic exploitation, and the "social caste" systems that come along with capitalism.

Nothing says freedom like having your country's decision making process slowly abstracted away from the citizens, subverted by corporate propaganda and having your culture displaced, keeping the average working wagecuck too pacified to do anything about it

Hurting innocent people is not nice

>>What's wrong with Communism?
It killed over 100 million people in the last century alone. No fascist regime ever committed a genocide on that scale.

That number is propagandistic bullshit.

Fascism doesn't hurt innocent people

Neither does communism :^)

Yes it does, class-war demagoguery inherently hurts the innocent

no

sadly the commies of yesterday were aware they were doing evil shit, faggots today are convinced they are doing good which makes it that much more scary

>gets shot

Because socialism is horrible.

That people aren't free (citizens of a fascist state are forced to work for the betterment of the state)

You can take jingoism out of fascism, but you can't take class warfare out of Communism

Freedom is a joke, history's longest running meme.

Fuck freedom

To play Devil's Advocate here, it would be said that you serve the state, which is the Nation, which is the people.
Then, freedom can only be achieved through security and purpose. Kinda weak, but still. Or, rather, what does freedom do for you if it means vulnerability, weakness, and poverty?

>72 million in China
>30 million in the USSR
>5 million in North Korea
>5 million in Ethiopia
>3 million in Cambodia
>3 million in Vietnam
>2 million in Afghanistan
>1 million in Yugoslavia
>1 million in Mozambique
>etc.
If anything 100 million is a low number

Say what you want about it in practice, but as an ideology, I don't what's bad about. How is wanting everyone to live better lives, more fulfilling lives without exploitation heartless and evil? Capitalism is objectively more heartless, since it doesn't care about people, only money. But this is probably just bait anyway.

Where are you getting those numbers? It's almost as if you're pulling out of your ass because I've seen them vary wildly. You're also assuming any premature death in a communist country was caused by communism. Why aren't things like, say the Irish potato famine or the famines in India during British rule that killed millions not "deaths caused by capitalism?"
It's because anti-communists are fucking morons who can't debunk communist theory so they have to use the "Communism killed 100 gorillion people because Turning Point USA and Prager U and Fox News says so"
Absolutely pathetic retards incapable of deeper thought

Here's another problem with your logic that you didn't realise because you're a fucking idiot or chose not include because you know it hurts your argument (not sure which is worse) You're comparing ALL communist countries to just one fascist regime. Also Hitler would've have killed far more than 100 million if he won the war.
back to /r/the_donald, reddit-spacer.

No.

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Because socialism is an objective failure?

You can't /thread yourself newfriend

Oh god, you're actually real. Wanna say something about the Holocaust too, buddy?

It preaches hypocritical egalitarianism and goes against natural hierarchy, murdering potential to preserve a state of obedient mediocrity. If you think you aren't being exploited in a communist state then maybe you are a net negative to the structure of society.

Okay

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>Where are you getting those numbers?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
nytimes.com/2012/12/09/books/review/tombstone-the-great-chinese-famine-1958-1962-by-yang-jisheng.html?nl=books&emc=edit_bk_20121207
hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

> It's almost as if you're pulling out of your ass because I've seen them vary wildly.
I've seen Holocaust estimates vary wildly, but that doesn't mean that the commony accepted numbers are made pulled out of someone's ass.

>You're also assuming any premature death in a communist country was caused by communism.
No, I'm not.

>Why aren't things like, say the Irish potato famine or the famines in India during British rule that killed millions not "deaths caused by capitalism?"
Because they weren't caused by land reform or privatization of agriculture?

>It's because anti-communists are fucking morons who can't debunk communist theory
It doesn't work in practice. Theory debunked. Stay mad tankie

>It's because anti-communists are fucking morons who can't debunk communist theory
*looks at literally every attempt to institute it ever*

>government makes a stupid decision
>voice my contrary opinion
>black shirts give me a beating and threaten my family unless I stop
>decision fucks everything up
Such is life under fascism

Hitler wasn't a fascist, he was a socialist

Fascists are nothing but crypto-commies anyway

>citing a wiki page that's literally been called out by editors as a most likely attempt at trolling
>citing a neocon shill (Rummel)

If you're talking about just Marxism-Leninism, most such states didn't commit mass murder.

End yourselves for the sake of humanity.

> that's literally been called out by editors as a most likely attempt at trolling
[citation needed]

wikipedia is communist propaganda

My grandpa lived under communism and he would tell you how terrible it was.

No no you don't understand, these middle class privileged kids will tell you how awesome socialism is!

>now excuse me while I do pretty much anything I want outside of harming other free people

Marx was sent to Earth by Satan. There is no recorded evidence of him existing until 1840.

Islam

My grandparents lived under Communist occupation, then Nazi occupation, then Communist occupation again. They all unanimously agree that life under the Nazis wasn't nearly as bad as life under the Commies.

My grandpa did too and he did pretty alright.

I should add my grandparents are Jewish.

Why didn't the Nazis kill them

Nazis only killed 300k Jews out of ~5 million within their control

Communism killed more, but national-socialism killed faster.

Because of Mexicans.

Unlike Europe (at least until recently), America has a permanent underclass of mostly useless fast-breeding foreigners who would be a massive drain on social resources if socialism was ever instituted.

Communism goes against human nature

>freedom
>the us of a
Pick one and only one

>this is the price of human nature

>You're comparing ALL communist countries to just one fascist regime. Also Hitler would've have killed far more than 100 million if he won the war.
I fully agree, I think the same whenever the comparison is made. Just say "communism killed a shitload of people", there's no need to compare.

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Communism creates way more poverty and famine. Under capitalism you are just lazy if you can't work a simple job that pays enough for food.

Communism sounds good in theory but in practice is just doesn't work.

How would you know when true communism has never been tried?

China, Russia, North Korea, Vietnam. Fuck off with your "b-but my infallible version of Communism hasn't been tried"

Communism has been tried... meaning folks have attempted to reach Communism because Communism is a Utopia that folks try and reach through Socialism.
The attempts to reach Communism have ended disastrously.

Attempts to achieve communism have failed. I maintain that true communism has never been tried.

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Nazi were not allowed to kill as many as they wanted.

/pol/ memes are not arguments.

That's because Communism isn't something you just "try". It has to be reached.
See how many reach for it and die.

communism led to such inhuman conditions that people resorted to cannibalism. Plus they killed /ourguy/ Nick which is inexcusable.

>you have to cross a quagmire to get to a tractor
>it's too hard to cross the quagmire
>therefore the tractor doesn't work

Communism may be evil to the core but they have awesome flags

China is communist, they all get paid the same salary.

That isn't Communism.

>you need to leap across this canyon to get to this reality that may or may not even be an actual paradise
>go on, leap

Democide chart.

You commies always weasel out and call "but that wasn't my brand specific version of communism". Thats not how it works. People die because of people like you.

>inhuman conditions that people resorted to cannibalism.

Do you have proof?

No, you don't understand.
I'm nearly an unironic fascist.
They're Communists because they reach for Communism, but it wasn't Communism because it was not stateless, classless, or propertyless.

Like reaching god. Jesus was a communist maybe even the Pope would agree. But people prefer live in capitalism and enjoy devil's money. God bless capitalism.

Christianity totally recognizes a hierarchy and doesn't believe in earthly paradise. It's very much not aligned with Marxism.

>I'm nearly an unironic fascist
Pls don't make me cringe. If you're living in a democratic western nation, you're living under the best form of government. Bs about 'I wish Hitler won' is fucking delusional.

But Christianity tells that everyone should be equal. And that we should all share what we have and help the poor.

Nah m8 Hitler was a fucking loon and I'm not actually a fascist. More like I'm on the center side of authoritarian right. Think Plato, not Hitler.

How are voluntarily interactions between the worker and the business owner "exploitation?"

not him, but it frankly is

Christ is above us. Christ was also Man.
Therefore, there are men above us.
Christ taught that we should have no earthly desires, and therefore have and want nothing.
That's nothing close to everything owned in common because property is theft.

>there are men
>there is a man

They have been enjoying it since slavery

To be fair, a lot of the globalization debate is focused on capital outsourcing to cheap foreign labor, so if you're a nationalist it makes sense to focus on increased internal inequality. Your pic demonstrates why I don't take much of the anti-globalization left seriously, though, it's doing great for the global poor they're weeping for.

>Therefore, there are men above us.
Wrong. Christ in the Bible is considered the ONLY man above us.
>That's nothing close to everything owned in common because property is theft.
Property is also charity and bible supports it. But nobody likes to share.

No he wasn't you fucking moron. Please stop shitting up this board