Could the Mongols under Temujin have conquered Rome at its peak?

Could the Mongols under Temujin have conquered Rome at its peak?

No.
They would have lost in the non-steppe regions.
The Romans could build sufficient fortifications to keep the mongols at bay.

Horses are useless to attack forts.

Yes

No.

White people are superior to mongoloid horse niggers.

Just like every alternative history question, the answer is maybe. Some of the Chinese states that were conquered were the most advanced civilizations in the world at the time.

If the level of technological development was the same, no. But if the Mongols are conquering Yurop with Roman tier age weapons tech or romans have the improved smithing techniques of the 1200’s, id hedge my bet on the romans losing some of their further provinces but nothing like a mongol sacking of Rome.

depends on the tactics rome would have made use of
scorched earth and fabian tactics would have been pretty effective desu, let them go through hundreds of miles of wasteland to pillage nothing and go starving, and use the environment to your advantage to attack then they are exhausted, starving, and exposed, counter them with foot archers and protect them with heavy infantry

>implying they need grain or other bullshit when they bring their own food supply
The whole reason they were great was because they weren't tied down by the logistical needs and constraints that plague an infantry based army

yeah but by maintaining forts their supply lines could easily be interrupted

No, they never could have breached the walls of Constantinople.

Don’t gotta conquer Constantinople to beat the romans, this isn’t a video game

oh so that's why the mongols never conquered china or the middle east or anywhere else that wasn't steppe lands

Constantinople didn't even exist when Rome was at it's height

The Empire based in Italy wasn't the real Roman Empire, that's just spaghettiboos rewriting history. Most intellectuals agree the Roman Empire didn't truly start until the Reign of Justinian.

Yes unironically. Better tactics, weaponry and soldiers. If they could defeat Song China which came a fucking millennia after the Romans they should have no trouble with the actual Roman's themselves.

>Most intellectuals agree the Roman Empire didn't truly start until the Reign of Justinian.

If you think the Mongols did most of their conquests as nothing but a group of horse archers you need to get out of Veeky Forums right now.

>it's newer, so it's better

Whigs plz go

>could the wrath of God harm the Greatest Early White people in their marble halls?
no. The Mongols were a scourge sent to punish people by their own words, the Romans obeyed God so they wouldn't have had to be punished by them.

Mongols would fuck them up good. Don't forget the Huns were very similiar to Mongols. And they totally had their part in the collapse of The Roman Empire.

Mongols were terryfying, however we could discuss how would their tactics of feign defeat would fare against well trained legions.

Polish knights fell into the trap repeatedly.

Roman degeneracy peaked at the time Christianity was adopted, cuck

Probably. Temujin conquered the Abbasids. It didn't quite conquer China yet. But they did conquer the Jin dynasty which is basically Song-lite.

So while they may be quite mobile and somewhat numerous ~200K at this time, they probably can't straight out conquer Rome without first going at its neighbors.

But yea Rome at its peak may probably fall to Mongols if they have their eyes on it.

By the end of the second Punic War, the Romans had such a home field advantage on their own peninsula that the notion of Mongols sacking Rome just strikes me as completely absurd

lol true

>oh so that's why the mongols never conquered china or the middle east or anywhere else that wasn't steppe lands
>it''s another episode of brainlets think mongols conquered fortresses
The Mongols captured cities which NEEDED external supplies.
The Romans would have constructed extensive self contained fortifications.
Look at how long the Korean army resisted the mongols, nearly 5:1 the mongols could not take the fortresses in eastern korea, eventually the defenders died due to attrition but the mongolian losses were enough to dissuade them from even attempting to conquer fortified positions.

Yes. The mongols would have destroyed the romans in an open field battle. Also the mongols had siege equipment managed by chinese engineers. The huns were a weaker version also a nomadic horse people and almost broke the roman empire.
Romanlovers cant handle the truth.

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'pagan' rome was basically jewish rome

good old Veeky Forums

I think the disaster against the parthians taught roman commanders a lesson in proper use of terrain

the mongols would not triumph against the defensive focused and organized romans

Ha - The mongols (not least considering their siefe warfare technology was over 1000 years ahead of Rome at its peak) would have stomped Rome so bad. There would have been nothing that Rome could have done to have stopped the inevitable defeat.

The mongols liked the roman empire and formed an alliance with them when they met, actually. If anything, they'd defect.

Easily. Mongols has siege technology.

Korea resisted so long because the geography is mountainous as fuck.

Yes, obviously. The mongols had futuristic technology.

What the fuck is a self contained fortification?

Like, okay, they could fortify coastal cities which could then be supplied by sea, but how the fuck are they going to defend cities like fucking Rome?