Is Thomas Sowell right? Is Black-American culture just an extension of Scottish culture?

Is Thomas Sowell right? Is Black-American culture just an extension of Scottish culture?

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>Sowell argues that the black ghetto culture, which is claimed to be "authentic black culture", is actually a highly dysfunctional white southern redneck culture which existed during the antebellum South. This culture came, in turn, from the "Cracker culture" of the North Britons and Scots-Irish who migrated from the generally lawless border regions of Britain.

>Sowell gives a number of examples that he regards as supporting the lineage, e.g.,

>an aversion to work, proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship,… and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery.

>Scottish
Most slaveowners were Welsh iirc, that's why surnames like "Jones" or "Brown" are so common amongst blacks.

Largely yeah. It's funny how pol thinks ebonics is blacks ruining English when it's really a variation of white southern dialects

Sounds about right.

Ive noticed that stereotypical black foods are all southern foods. I totally buy that black culture is just an extension of southern culture.

It has to be. Their home cultures were erased out of them so or course they'd adopt the culture around them

How does he explain rampant lawlessness and violence in Africa itself then?

Not to mention that there isn't a SINGLE black-majority country where education, and civil behaviour, are very high.

South Africa probably comes closest, thanks to the education system put into place by whites. But SA is still VERY violent.

When /pol/acks shit on blacks for nigging around just remember that they're just practicing the southern culture of honour and are emulating the practices of the Scott-Irish and other uncivilized Northern English and Lowland Scot Border Reivers

celts are celts. well welsh are more celtic than anyone but the isle of man. most irish and scots might as well be anglos.

>Not to mention that there isn't a SINGLE black-majority country where education, and civil behaviour, are very high
Botswana

OK, let's just take out violence and education. That still leaves 'sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship', and the religious stuff.

Pretty sure blacks drink less than whites

Prove it

I'm guessing all of those things are higher in black countries than in white countries

The point being, i'm willing to bet southerners are more likely to do those things than northerners.

I wonder how many strip clubs and sex shops are in Alabama compared to Massachusetts?

THA'S RICHT LADDIE WE WIS KEENGIS AN SHITEEEE

He's a nigger, what opinion does he have that's relevant? He should be picking cotton or shoveling shit from a toilet with his bare hands. Black lolbertarians, don't make me laugh. More like niggertarians.

Okay, but I'm saying those qualities exist in every black community around the entire world (apart from very well-to-do blacks in America, who are an extreme anomaly among blacks across the Earth. And they're only where they are in America due to affirmative action anyway.)

Sowell is saying American black culture has come from white culture, but then how come every black country in the world has the problems he talks about - proneness to violence, neglect of education, promiscuity (very very high birth rates), lack of entrepreneurship etc?

Edgy

Because they're poor, and everything he listed is a symptom of poverty.

There is obviously a connection given that Scots are the dominant ethnicity of poor southern whites. However segregation would have caused black and white communities to develop differently even though they share a historical connection. Posters like will use this connection to blame whitey for toxic black culture but conveniently ignore how segregation caused black culture to develop independently even if it had Scottish roots. If ghetto culture really was just cut and paste Scot culture we would expect the crime rates in poor white communities to mirror those of their black counterparts but of course this is not the case.

You're a redneck what opinion do you have that's relevant? You should be driving your scooter or shooting people with your M16. Redneck lolbertarians, don't make me laugh. More like rednecktarians

Crime rates are not equal to culture.

black culture is just black hicks who migrated north, thats why they say nigguh because of the lack of R in the cotton belt

Is this from Black Rednecks and White Liberals or something else? I'm interested and want to dig deeper into this.

Why are they poor? Why did they never develop?

>Europeans
Enriched themselves by becoming incredibly technically advanced
>East Asians
Similar - they also had pretty advanced technology like gunpowder, rockets, the Great Wall of China, junks (boats), etc.
>South Asians (i.e. Indians)
Built some pretty spectacular brick structures for the last couple thousand years.
>Native Americans
Even they had ornate tipis and ornate jewellery, and down in Mexico they built all that Mayan and Aztec shit.
>Arabs
Used to be a pretty great culture, with a tradition of scholarliness. Built ornate stuff.
>Inuits/Eskimos
A pretty unfussy people, but they're pretty intelligent, keeping themselves warm with thick clothes that they make.
>Africans
Literally have FUCK ALL to show for the last two thousand years apart from a couple of mud huts.

Africans built pyramid's

He is right.

They are savages in Africa but it isn't like they are Afro-Americans 2.0. They are savage in different ways.

Culture is more than that sure but it is still a part of the puzzle. For example Americans black and white both like to romanticize outlaws and you can find country and rap songs that lionize gunslingers. However you will not find country songs about being a pimp or a drug dealer so there is divergence along racial lines towards the perception of specific types of crimes.

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*Egyptians built pyramids

He is saying that when you work to make money, you should get to keep it. Socialists should not be able to say "I deserve some of that money through taxation", because they didn't earn that money. You did.

But obviously you are trying to shoehorn this language to refer to DA EXPLOITING CAPITALIST CLASS EXPLOITING THE WORKING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Except we don't live in the 19th Century anymore. Nowadays, ANYBODY CAN START THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND WORK FOR THEMSELVES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK DOWN THE COAL PIT ANYMORE, OWNED BY THE WEALTHY INDUSTRIALIST. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK IN THE STEEL FACTORY, OWNED BY A BIG WEALTHY FATCAT.

You realise there are independent photographers, independent journalists, independent musicians, independent authors, independent political commentators, independent management consultants, independent web developers, independent surveyors, independent estate agents, independent shopkeepers, independent carpenters - etc., etc., etc. - right?

So if you don't want to work for someone else, why don't you get off your fat arse and start working for yourself?

Stop using roads and living on the land that the government owns then. Don't walk on the government owned. Go start your own country. The you can keep what you own.

No mate because I've paid my taxes for those things, you fucking moron.

Egypt is in Africa.
Ergo, Africans built the Pyramids.

This is the least intelligent post I've read all day.

>'sexual promiscuity
Africans traditionally often are naked and stay like that all day long,while they practice polygamy and have some of the highest birthrates. With primitive moral standards,incest,mass rapes and sex with very young girls this point becomes obvious.
>improvidence
Have you ever heard of Africans building storages for or sparing supplies for later? Guess their light minded ass-dance-mentality doesn't prevent them from starving and didn't in the past. They never got beyond building up larger tribes and families and couldn't adfapt to changing climates even though they live in jungles,savannahs and deserts. Let's just not talk about the Anarchy.
>drunkenness
Other than Native Americans they never spoke of the "white man bringing his liquid fire of unhealth". The Columbian exchange included Europeans giving Africans loads of Rum for slaves. If you are willing to sell your captured neighbour for Rum you likely easily fell to drunkenness.
>lack of entrepreneurship'
They had no efficient trade routes in the inland and never developed currencies or trade systems,the Swahili and Somali trade cities and Ethiopian red sea trade were the best they had and they failed to get a good deal with China. Until today. Before that,trade with Arabs and Berbers in the DSahel zone was the only thing.
>religious stuff
They until today hang onto religious symbols like the cross and developed their music in churches at the begginning of Afro-American history.

My predecessors paid in both money and sweat to establish those roads, and through inheritance the symbiotic relationship between nation and citizen.

Sins and virtues of the father are not passed on to his son

You say taxes are bad. Cops shouldn't defend you either.

Not that user, but I thought I'd offer some bullshit you can readily ignore:
>"I deserve some of that money through taxation", because they didn't earn that money. You did.
I think the point being made is about profit derived from the labor of another, which you do get to in your post, but you added this:

>Except we don't live in the 19th Century anymore. Nowadays, ANYBODY CAN START THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND WORK FOR THEMSELVES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK DOWN THE COAL PIT ANYMORE, OWNED BY THE WEALTHY INDUSTRIALIST. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK IN THE STEEL FACTORY, OWNED BY A BIG WEALTHY FATCAT.
Are you suggesting there were no small private businesses or entrepreneurs or contracted professionals in the 19th century? While you're correct in - I think(?) - pointing out that Marxism was a response to 19th century industrial capitalism, it is also worth noting that this "original" form of industrial economy didn't really die out until the 1930's in the United States and most of Europe. The continuity of economic culture in 1870 wasn't that far removed from 1920, which - coupled with the funding of the USSR - helped to sustain this ideology well passed an era in which it was completely relevant. You're also a fool if you don't think exploitation doesn't occur in any system of unequal power, and because that argument has been true for most of history you see individuals resorting to a sort of "populist" ideology that they can readily recall as being against the powerful. It's to be expected, even if it's completely pedestrian and historically a failure.

>inb4 I'm called a communist for merely pointing out the obvious

But property is, shared or not.

>Is this from Black Rednecks and White Liberals
Yes

Thanks user!

no. there's a difference but they are related

And where is Egypt?

>>an aversion to work, proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship,… and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery.
I think these are more just symptoms of poor people worldwide

yes

Yes. Just look at the linguistics of AAVE.

Wow, it's almost as if there's more black people in the South or something?

>If ghetto culture really was just cut and paste Scot culture we would expect the crime rates in poor white communities to mirror those of their black counterparts but of course this is not the case.

Honestly poor neighborhoods in Scotland really aren't that different. People there who have nothing else in life tend to show how big of a man they are with their fists.

>Usingg Liberian warlords as an example of all of Africa

They aren't even an example of all of West Africa. """Black""" Americans (most of them were 1/4th or 1/8th black at the earliest point of Liberia's modern history) should have never gone there.

>Literally have FUCK ALL to show for the last two thousand years apart from a couple of mud huts.

Agriculture
Animal husbandry
Advanced cultures (though not comparable to many Eurasian ones)
Metallurgy
Civilizations
Small kingdoms
Beautiful art
Architecture that wasn't just "mud huts", especially in East Africa


These are just a small amount of things Africans have done during the past 2000 years. Contrary to the same meme spat out by the same idiots every single day, Africans didn't stay at the stone age.

>Not to mention that there isn't a SINGLE black-majority country where education, and civil behaviour, are very high.
>South Africa probably comes closest
Barbados has a higher HDI and much lower murder and aids rates, so I'd give it to them over SA

Crackheads with guns are way worse than junkies with fists, Ned. Also are there actual street gangs in Scotland? I’d imagine football hooligans are the closest you’ve got but they’re more assault and battery tier instead of legit murderers.

Nope, these traits are not universal with the poor, which itself is a subjective socio-economic class due to radically different living standards amongst the world.

You obviously have never been to Glasgow. Just because there are strict gun laws in the UK doesn't mean that people just don't find other ways to kill each other.

Reminder that Rap battles originated in Scotland.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyting
Scottish immigrants also brought Fried Chicken to America.

You’re right I haven’t been to Glasgow but I guarantee you that the murder rate there is nothing compared to even small American cities like Gary IN or Riverdale GA to say nothing of hellholes like Detroit.

>Is Black-American culture just an extension of Scottish culture?

No. Southern Whites aren't even Scottish at all lol

>Southern Whites aren't even Scottish at all
Yes they are.

>Southern Whites aren't even Scottish at all

change the color from blue to red and throw some stars on there and what flag do you get?

>apart from very well-to-do blacks in America, who are an extreme anomaly among blacks across the Earth. And they're only where they are in America due to affirmative action anyway.


There's that Classic American deinal of achievement lol.

>the scots, irish and northerners are niggers
makes sense

It's a mixture of many cultures many culture due to the many white settlers (form the British isles that are mostly British) and immigrants

>tfw the scots were the true victims of cultural appropriation the entire time

Yes but Scots-Irish remained the dominant ethnicity.

>a country that has lots of guns has a higher murder rate than one that doesn't have any guns
Color me surprised

It also explains why most if not all Blacks have Scot-Irish ancestry. The Anglos were obsessed with racial purity and avoided race mixing as much as possible, however the Scots and the Irish have no such prejudice often sexing up Negroes. It's also one of the reasons why so many white Southerners have at least one Negro ancestor in their family tree.

hillbillies gonna hillbilly

>blames white culture for black culture

cannot make this shit up

I bet you think that all Darkies share the same universal culture.

>implying Scot-Irish have a culture
>implying Scot-Irish are white

Stop.

>t. butthurt border riever spawn

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>And they're only where they are in America due to affirmative action anyway

Imagine being this bitter of a faggot lol

What school did you fail to get into with your 2.0 average sweetie?

>Crackheads with guns are way worse than junkies with fists, Ned.

And how many guns are there in America as a whole compared to Ireland or Scotland? Woah.