This kills the communist

that's state capitalism

>socialism is when the government does things
Classic.

>state owned business is socialism

>state ownership = socialism

You're a libertarian, aren't you?

Socialism is when governments operate businesses at a profit. Contrary to popular belief, what they do with the profits is not relevant to the definition of socialism.

>All these businesses were meant to operate at a profit, and the EoR thus meets the definition of both socialism and capitalism.
If it's run mainly at a profit you're stealing the surplus labor of worker and thus exploiting them, so it can't be socialism.

I am a human being. politically I lean left towards socialism.

Socialism can be abused by governments as well as any other system. This is especially true of Imperialist governments.

>Socialism is when governments operate businesses at a profit. Contrary to popular belief, what they do with the profits is not relevant to the definition of socialism.

No, you fucker, you have no goddamn idea what socialism as defined by Karl Marx or democratic socialists actually is, and I'm definitely not a communist.
>any kind of government economic activity is socialist
Fucking hell.

Now he's going to tell you that marx didn't invent socialism

Not 'any kind'. Major businesses (means of production) like mines, refineries, logging, sawmills, shipyards, steelyards, railroads, fisheries, industrial farms, etc. are socialist if owned and operated by a government. i bet you think the Communist manifesto has something to do with Herr Marx.

State capitalism is not socialism but socialists do not have an effective plan for preventing socialist states falling back into state capitalism.

Socialism was 'invented' multiple times in the distant past. Socialism in Russia began with either Ivan the Terrible or Peter the Great, depending on your point of view, and lasted until app. 1992. It underwent a political change circa 1917-1922 when the Empire of Russia became the Republic of Russia.

Only if you ignore the people outside the entrance begging for food.

>About a year after the Russian leader left office, aYeltsin biographer later wrotethat on the plane ride to Yeltsin’s next destination, Miami, he was despondent. He couldn’t stop thinking about the plentiful food at the grocery store and what his countrymen had to subsist on in Russia.

>In Yeltsin’s own autobiography, he wrote about the experience at Randall’s, which shattered his view of communism, according to pundits. Two years later, he left the Communist Party and began making reforms to turn the economic tide in Russia. You can blame those frozen Jell-O Pudding pops.

[citation needed]

Those reforms sure worked out well for the average Russian, right?

Your meme provides an argument for all ultra authoritarian systems, out of which fascism is the most effective, and uses it to conclude a supposed desirability of the worst possible one

Good bait.

Don't bother OP, commies are incapable of thinking beyond their literature and fee fees

They'll cling to their utopian fantasy till the end

The problem is that you have people arguing two or more different definitions of the same word and it tends to cause confusion.

Marx's idea of communism isn't the same as the various Communist movements of the 20th century. Hence why those tend to be narrowed down to things Maoism or Stalinism.

>antifa flag
>no sources
Gee wiz, Shlomo, you sure got us.

It doesn't help that they get their definitions for all the things they talk about from their ideology, regardless of the other side agrees with the definitions. I see that more than anything.

Mio isn't Russian though?

REMINDER THAT
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THIS IS OBJECTIVELY TRUE NOT JUST A MEME

JUST LISTEN TO WHAT CHOMSKY HAS TO SAY

youtube.com/watch?v=yQsceZ9skQI

STALIN WAS A CAPITALIST PIG, THE FIRST EVER TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPERIALIST WHITE SUPREMACIST GENOCIDAL STATE OF ISRAEL, HE WAS BY NO MEANS A SOCIALIST. HE JUST PANDERED TO IT SINCE IT WAS POSSIBLE.

FOR IT TO BE SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST, THE WORKERS MUST SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. LAST TIME I CHECKED, UNDER STALIN OR THE USSR THE WORKERS HAD NO CONTROL OVER THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. THEREFORE IT WAS NOT SOCIALIST BY DEFINITION.

Calm down.

Give an example of how a true communist state, or whatever you call it, would come to be.

>JUST LISTEN TO WHAT CHOMSKY HAS TO SAY

no thanks lol

>listen to chomsky
>ever

>Give an example of how a true communist state
IT HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED YET

EVERY SINGLE TIME THE BOURGEOISIE SHUT IT DOWN BECAUSE IT MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THEIR LIFESTYLE. STALIN WAS A CAPITALIST, MAO WAS A CAPITALIST, THE USA IS MORE SOCIALIST THAN THE SOVIET UNION EVER WAS.

>this level of reading comprehension
>communist
Explains a lot. Look, I wrote:
>how a true communist state, or whatever you call it, would come to be
>would come to be
>would
How WOULD a communist state come to be? What's the right way to bring about the utopia?

You know Nazism has only been tried once and the modern day national socialists stand by what it was and what it accomplished, you're telling me that communism is so fragile that it can't be actually accomplished despite dozens of separate attempts?

>pudding pops

>Hi, where do you have Bananas
Now you realize Bananas were luxury items. GG no re.

They sure did for most of them, not to mention most of Eastern Europe, but hey, you can move to North Korea or something.

>JUST LISTEN TO WHAT CHOMSKY HAS TO SAY
Stopped reading there and I already struggled to get past the "wasn't real communism" so you can't blame for lack of effort.

>IMPERIALIST WHITE SUPREMACIST GENOCIDAL STATE OF ISRAEL
Oy vey! This time it's.the commies holocausting us!

you know he's right though. israel is just a bunch of racist europeans stealing land from brown people.

>pot calling the kettle a nigger.

People should learn what Communism really is by the own definition not by politicians mistakes before criticize it.

>kill jews
>its the fault of white supremacists

>jews kill
>its the fault of white supremacists

>don't do anything
>its the fault of white supremacists

Any communist willing to answer my question?

Chinese SOE or Lenin's NEP

I'm not a Communist but I have studied about it, instead of simply criticize. I can tell the difference between Communism and Stalinism at least. "communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state." - Wikipedia

sources literally at the bottom of the image lmao. you can even just look up UNICEF stats on how many children die due to poverty and you still get millions dead every year from that (capitalism) alone.

Oh no how horrible! We must open our borders and provide for them!

I'm not even a fucking Red, but if you showed me an entire grocery aisle of Jello Puddin' Pops, Crunch Bars, and chocolate syrup, I'd defect to fucking Russia also.

>Socialist countries like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
So...This is the power of Veeky Forums

xd

>Niggers
>human

Hello Schlomo

thats stupid, that dosent factor which places are or are not capitalistic. its just taking literally every death and blaming it on capitalism. well, communism exists and those kids died, what did communism do for them?

Birth rates sure are skyrocketin' got Ukraine, Russia, hell even the Baltics.

>this entire fucking thread

>This kills the communist.
literally

youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a fairly simple economy, virtually all of which is owned and operated by the government to make a profit. Socialism in a nutshell.

That's Edward's Syndrome, Down Syndrome is trisomy 21

>socialism=government runs everything

Why are you so fucking dumb

>State ownership is socialism

The Baltics and especially Russia have the highest birth rates in Europe.

The gold mines were running a profit and the profits were used to buy Fabergé eggs for the Czars family. Nice socialism m8

Monarchy is peak capitalism. It even has privately owned government. Zero public shit, only private property, the king owns the rivers and the sea.

How profits are used has nothing to do with determining if an economic system is socialist or not.

Correct

Yeah, but you'll ignore how infant mortality and life expectancy both massively increased and that's with ignoring the fact that birth rates are going up again as well.

Also, are we now pretending that birth rates are are an objective assessment of society? If so, Africa is calling you.

>life expectancy in 2016 is higher than at any point in Russian history
>life expectancy increased by ~1 year from the 1950's to the 1980's in the USSR
gg

Of course it does, stop being so obtuse. Another important factor is the fact that the people actually mining the gold were probably serfs who are practically slaves.

Indeed, although I prefer the term Imperialism to Monarchism. Imperialism=Capitalism=socialism.

>this kills the communist

Communism kills the communist user

Under the Empire the worst part of the Gulag were certain gold mines in eastern Siberia. They had years where the mortality hit 100%. Day to day the salt mines were the worst, but the coal mines were no picnic either.

It is more like a venn diagram, the objective isn't socialism, it is something else, they just end up using the same methods in one area.

not enough tho

You don't understand simple logic. In socialism, the state owns key industries and corporations, but state ownership itself does not mean the country is socialist.

So in conclusion we have slaves working in mines in one of the most inhospitable regions of the world to run a profit for the Czar. The Czar uses these profits to buy golden eggs and according to one very retarded user this is socialism.

The revolution in Russia circa 1917 was political, not economic. The socialist Empire of Russia became the Socialist Republic of Russia, but Russia was socialist from circa 1680 to 1992. Only the form of sate changed. Now it is just a kleptocracy.

What a fucking idiot, check this video, my parents lived in Poland and it was worse than it's in the video
youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE

This honestly deserves to be screencapped

What we have here is a failure to communicate. The motive for earning profits does not effect how they are earned, nor does it determine the nature of the economic system used to obtain those profits (which are not guaranteed under any system) if any.

well in 1680 merchants could come and go as they please without their property being confiscated, they might have to pay tariffs but that wasn't much different from elsewhere (unless you define that as socialism too)

>1990-1991

U almost outsmahted me there

In Russia that would be closer to circa 1650. The Emperor Ivan I (The Terrible) started the process that changed that and put Russia on the path to socialism. For example he passed the edict (law) that nationalized all the gold in ground, discovered & undiscovered. If you prefer to hold out for the reign of the Emperor Peter I (The Great) for the beginning I can see your point.

You're right.
THIS kills the fascist.

Tropical fruits like bananas were rare among other capitalists countires at the time too

>Its another "American" uses propaganda photos of shitty communist era supermarkets as though it prove his point that communism was totally fine, or even better than what literally any supermarket in a capitalist/non-communist country was like.

Where the fuck is the fresh fruit and veg?

Pure coincidence that they became common at the same time the wall came down :^). Just like affordable electronics and automobiles that were not a Lada or a Zastava.

They became common when the USA sent private armies and funded rebels in the countries that, after being ruined, would begin to be called "banana republics".

>Easily preventable

AHAHAHAHAHA try telling that to the Soviets that had food rations for decades and ate like absoute shit. The lack of citations tells me that these stats are padded almost 100% by niggers in Africa and other dindu countries that can't survive withoutforeign aid and donations by rich capitalist philathropists.

Capitalism doesn't kill any of those people. When will commies understand that capitalism =/= ancap; anarchy; completely free, taxless, stateless countries; etc? Almost every developed nation outside of Amer*ca has universal healthcare and subsidises drugs for curable diseases like malaria, they also send billions per year in aid to africans who squander it, waste it, are too stupid to be trained to do the work themselves or fight over whatever resources they're given. Its a hilarious thought imagining how long a communist state in Africa would last. They would fight over fucking everything and claim their own property rights from day 1.

Go ahead and explain the decades long gap that it took for those Bananas to arrive.

We'll ignore that a large number of them are imported from Africa unless we're talking about the fall of communism in the US and not in Europe. Faggot.