Operation Unthinkable: What if?

>United States has nuclear weapons at this point
No it dosen't, why do people always say this? It was planned to start in July, the USA didn't have an operation nuclear bomb until a month later, unless you want to drop a Trinity type bomb which isn't really possible because it's too fucking big and the Thin Man design was likely to explode in the aircraft

weather changes every day. And the weather is like the stereotypical boring topic people choose when they have nothing else to say. Bad analogue although I don't give a shit.

Oh, fuck didn't realise it was planned for June.
Oh well then nevermind about that, sorry I'm an uninformed idiot.

The Soviets and Allies push each other back into Eastern, then Western Europe. The USA,British Empire and Soviet Union all collapse and Germany is basically a wasteland after the allies thought it was necessary to use nukes,gas,explosives and even more airplanes to hold the line. All ressources were destroyed in the retreat and reapproach to the country,6 times. Cities would have been melted away by flames and artillery.

Basically no one wins and the countries either turn back to Democracies,Fascist or Monarchist systems.

>US and Britain ally with Germany
>Germany can redeem itself
>Communism gets wiped off the face of the earth

>Soviet economy is exhausted
>Allied air supremacy is apparent
>Sea is pretty much dominated by Eternal Anglos and Burgers
>US economy is pretty much intact
>Massive amount of G*rman POWs is willing to fight to save the fatherland from communists
>Possible Polish uprising
>Possible nuclear bombing of Major Soviet cities

Give it up, Tankies, Soviets would propadly be able to push Allies back to Rhine but nothing more.

>ally with germany

pretty sure germany didn't exist in '45

>hey good sirs, we know we just stabbed your back and funded the very enemy you fought for 4 years and am now asking you to fight that same empowered enemy again but instead for your country you fight for us xD

doesn't sound feasable

what does the sea matter to russia?

sea only mattered to island nigger anglos

>what is coastal bombardment

Literally the only way how could Burgers win the Operation Unthinkable would be the second scenario "Soviets attack first" and it has to be after the development of nukes.
USA and UK killts itself by attacking former ally, there is no way how could they justify the next war. Communists had massive support in Italy and France, so great communist insurgency there is very likely.
Soviets have high ground in every single aspect except for naval supperiority that is completely irrelevant. Air supperiority is minimal and cant be fully achieved. Iam also highly sceptical about the nukes, since they have to be carried by the planes, rockets dont exist and Soviets have thousands of aicrafts that could shoot down the airplanes.
At best, war could end in white peace for allies since its not possible to even reach the Soviet territory. Also allies cant afford huge losses, Soviet menpower being at the bottom is a meme as well as USA landing in Manchuria.

>what are naval mines
>what is naval canon range
>what are anti-ship batteries

I don't need to mention how unlikely this whole scenario is but assuming it happens:

>The Western allies would probably accept a Reichsregierung if it pledges allegiance to the Western allies. Most German formations would be quickly supplied with western material.

>British, French, German and US troops get slowly pushed back at first

>massive Air superiority, overstretched supply lines and partisans activity eventually stop the Soviet advance

>Soviet losses rise, the USA starts using A-bombs against Soviet cities

>eventually Soviets can't replace material losses

>Soviet collapse

coastal bombardment of what? ice caps and siberian bears?

Destroying the home of Tatars or Balts will not reduce Russian Moral.

the allied powers makes a push, maybe even deploy the few nukes that they have against major soviet cities like moscow and stalingrad

soviet cities are not very densely populated, and most of the industry is located deeper into russia where bombers can't reach so the main loss is civilians

allies are highly dependent on trans-atlantic supply lines while soviet can supply their forces fully by land

soviet forces outnumber allied forces heavily, they also have superior tanks

within a few weeks, the allied advance grinds to a halt and soviet starts reclaiming land. Within a year, soviet controls mainland europe. US, afraid of losing the British isles, their foothold on europe, calls for a ceasefire.

queue 1984

>and stalingrad
dont comment on Veeky Forums ever again please

>US, afraid of losing the British isles
lol wat?

>tfw a timeline exists where commies try to invade britain by swimming

way to nitpick about nonessential details

take your shitposting somewhere else

yhea i'm sure the soviets would never figure out how to pass the english channel

Nah,German experts and veterans would serve for the Americans or be forced to,they had 3 Million POWs and people who fought in the war from Germany and Austria, Volkssturm and SS would turn into Partisans.

You should know that laser-based tank-sights, night-vision and the Maus tank prototype were just built or planned by the Germans and could then have been mass-produced by the Americans. Just like they could now make an improved Stg,even more accurate carbines with higher magazine-capacities and semi-auto action and even stealth bombers.

The British Indian Army would invade Tajikistan and Iraqis are send through Persians to the Caucasus.

Soviets recruited their last mass-wave of men and reserves,while 6 Million French could be forced to invade Russia,I bet the Spanish and Portuguese would not be just let in peace either.
The Finns would be happy to continue fighting AND YOU KNOW WHAT FINNS CAN DO.

they would indeed figure it out and realize they would need boats, in which they have none

>rearm germany
too bad germany has already been bombed to a pulp and the allies already have enough on their hands supplying their own forces. Operation unthinkable intended to rearm 100 000 men, and even that would've been difficult.

>blablabla i watch too much history channel
would take them way too long for the allies to apply any of those technologies to any meaningful extent, not to mention that all of those techs were in their infancy so it's impossible to tell if they've even would have been useful in real action

>colonial forces
not equipped to perform an offensive war

>not enough reserves
by the end of ww2, soviet has all the forces they'll ever need to steamroll the allies

>The Finns would be happy to continue fighting
the winter war ended in 1940 with soviet victory, the continuation war ended in 1944, also resulting in soviet victory

they would build boats, because once they control all of mainland europe, time is on their side

There's a pretty big difference between invading a neutral country that did nothing to you and invading an empire that has half of Europe in its claws.

>soviets won winter war

bait

>they could just build the boats

>they would just conquer mainland Europe

Sure with absolutely overstretched supply lines, against crushing enemy Air superiority and with a shitton of partisans in their back.

Oh and the allied armies are constantly growing with better weapons and far more mobile.

The Soviets quickly would be in the same situation as the Reich in 44.

>not able to operatore at daytime because allied bombing Pounds every large group oh vehicles into oblivion

>naval superiority constantly allows for naval Invasion of critical areas

>superior technology: Codes are cracked etc.

Stalingrad was fought over by the best armies at that time in the world, for nearly a year. Constantly and without thinking about the own soldiers or the Russian civilians, the officers and their troops combated each other with the hardest methods and weapons in house to house urban combat,1 Million soldiers and multiple thousand tanks and artillery pieces.

Do you think anything besides some poor civilians, the train station and tank facilities were preserved from systematic destruction.

No one would waste something as valuable as a nuke only to stop one transport center and production center of med-quality tanks?
WTF,the Allied bombers could literally just destroy that shit by sending a bomber command to turn it into literal and by that I mean literal, ashes in the step that could not be rebuild,by simply flying over it for one our or less. They have bases in Syria and long-range bombers.
Potatoes,Vodka and a Bear could also potentially prove efficient.

Moscow,Kiev,Warsaw,Leningrad,Odessa,Riga,perhaps Kharkov or Smolensk,but why the hell Stalingrad?

You disgust me.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
>The Moscow Peace Treaty was signed by Finland and the Soviet Union on 12 March 1940, and the ratifications were exchanged on 21 March.[1] It marked the end of the 105-day Winter War. Finland had to cede border areas to the Soviet Union.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War
>The Continuation War... 1941-1944... Finland ceded Pechengsky District to the Soviets, leased Porkkala peninsula to them and paid reparations, while retaining its independence.

also, are you implying that it's impossible to build boats?

>Sure with absolutely overstretched supply lines
still shorter than the allied supply lines that relied heavily on US for the european theater

>...against crushing enemy Air superiority and with a shitton of partisans in their back.
air superiority would be difficult to maintain against a strong opponent. Partisans are a known unknown, impossible to tell what impact they would have.

>Oh and the allied armies are constantly growing with better weapons
same thing goes for the soviets

>and far more mobile.
not really thou

i see, you're autistic

>while retaining its independence.
>Krauts won the WW1 because they retained their independence.

>Rearm Germany
Not even the goal,if the Americans were able to get 16 Million men under weapons they could get the German POWs too. The Allies were just fine with supply lines,they waited a while until attacking the Elbe.

>history channel
I could have just said improved equipment but you would have said the same shit.

They were developed enough to produce, don't play stupid,before getting into the field it would be analyzed and redesigned by American,British and German experts,which would,considering progress in weapon and special equipment development is faster and better working during war time could have happened at the beginning of Operation Unthinkable,considering it would start a year after the Allies sacked Western Germany and all it's intellectual ressources.

>not equipped to perform an offensive war
Soviet last ditch recruits wouldn't be neither.
We speak about Indian and British veterans of the war against the Japanese,even if the Soviets would bite off their teeth through invading those territories,which they would do,we know it.

>enough reserves
No. Stalin was busy deporting everyone to Siberia since 1944. The Russian people were bleeding since 1914, do you really think he would have absolutely no problems with getting more men from the country that has killed more people than women have got children? The people can get into a state,which,you should know, is called "war fatigue". After 30's terror,Holodomor and WW2 I don't think they would like to fight in German and France. No chance of supplying anymore troops without letting civilians starve.
The people the Soviets will lose are veterans,the Allies have not thrown all men into the fight by far. Partisans will sabotage their supply roads. They lost 2 Milion men from Bagration to Berlin.

>Finns
>losing
Hahaha.

Soviets did force the Finns to a peace treaty,after losing 2 Million men and sticking in the mudd&woods. The Finns just defeated the Ostseekorps.

Where the bread at mr stalin?

Oh you got me there.
My Soviet master,I will give you 20m of woods and 1 mile of snow to fulfill your wishes and conceil that you definetely won the war even though the Finns held their line.

My Autism shall be my undoing, I can now not critizise your greatness and Stalingrad truely is an important goal to bomb with nukes.

>Communism gets wiped off the face of the earth

No. Communism had to die a slow death on its own, so that people nowadays know how terrible of an idea it is.

>Finland ceded Pechengsky District to the Soviets, leased Porkkala peninsula to them and paid reparations, while retaining its independence.

I see that I have to simplify this for your

The conclusion of the continuation war was that Finland had to give up the Pechengsky District and lease Porkkala peninsula to the Soviet. Finland also had to pay reparations to Soviet. In return, Finland was allowed to stay independent.

The soviet union was never at risk of losing its independence to Finland, if that's what you thought.

>Boats
You need a fucking Navy to protect it.
Bad luck if German torpedo boats destroyed your Destroyers and the Battleships are useless against carriers if bombers as cheap as the average soviet med-tank destroy them.

From the Great Patriotic War the Soviets know people like to defend their homeland.

If they somehow even manage to get over the channel and do not starve due to missing supply lines and absolute overstreched frontlines,they would get stuck in Scotland at latest and loose their entire Front in Dover,tovarish.

Just stop it autistic brother

Patton was right.

Obvious things are obvious.

Allied high command conspired with Stalin to engineer the Cold War because it justified a totalitarian international power grab via the intelligence services in the name of MAD.

i never said it would be easy, and because of that, it would've been a good moment for the allies to negotiate a ceasefire

>Soviet Mobility was absolutely dependent on Lend and Lease (trucks and trains)

And tf the US Army was more mobile. Why are you denying the obvious?

>Allies can't keep Air superiority against the Soviet airforce ???

Why not. They did it against the Luftwaffe which was more dangerous and Not dependent on Lend and Lease

>Soviet armies would grow

The Soviets were at the absolute maximum of their military Output. The USA still had tons of potential.

>They did it against the Luftwaffe which was more dangerous
top kek
>The Soviets were at the absolute maximum of their military Output. The USA still had tons of potential.
lmao

Bydlos wouldn't last a year, Allies had nukes and actually competent generals.

No it would not have been, the Soviets will probably try to also get control of Spain and Portugal after making France Red, bringing back the Republicans from the Spanish Civil War that hid or flew, which would just end like Napoleons attend did.
Also, the Germans would certainly Rebell openly or continue the Partisan Warfare.
The Americans and Brits have had and will also in this scenario keep air superiority, they could bomb Soviet forces and France into the abyss.

Generally,the Allies would bomb all industry in Western Russia away,from bases in Mesopotamia,Iran,Greece and Finland,literally they could kill all Soviets with bombs and gas+ the starvation caused by that.

>Allies had nukes
Actually, we didn't. We only had enough fissile material for two bombs by Aug 1945. Truman was bluffing hard when he told the Japanese that more bombs would follow.

Honestly, Operation Unthinkable would have been an ugly & bloody mess for both sides, and neither would really have a shot at "winning." The Soviet war machine was both enormous and yet terribly inefficient; it was geared to shitting out materiel as quickly as possible to fight the Germans, who had pretty much lost their air force and their ability to go on an offensive by 1943. Likewise, the Allied forces were horribly outnumbered, but we had the benefit of being in a better position in terms of materiel and infrastructure. Sure, the Allies could bomb the shit out of Poland (just to really rub salt in that wound) and cut off the supply lines for the overstretched Soviet forces, but you still have a horde of Russians at the doorstep of Europe led by generals who are willing to send them off to die en masse.

And if you read the plan, it basically admits that they don't have a really solid idea of how to win the war. They hoped that the Soviets would surrender in a year or two if we bombed their cities and cut off their supply lines. We can look at the situation today with the knowledge we have now, and realize that would be a really stupid idea.

>top kek

Soviet airforce revieved 50% of its Fuel from the allies and was all around underdeveloped.

>lmao

Hurr durr Socialist Industry stronk. Yeah the arms race worked out really well for the Russkis.