Holohaux wasn't real

>They contest whether they were killed using gas chambers
No historian has ever claimed that they were all (or even mainly) killed by gas chambers, so you are the one strawmanning.

LOOK AT ALL THESE FUCKING COMMIES

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When did I ever say that historians claimed that jews were exclusively killed in gas chambers? Don't put words in my mouth.

Historians do claim that a large portion of the exterminations were conducted in death camps using homicidal gas chambers, which is what revisionists deny.

most don't deny that it happened, just that the numbers are exaggerated. would it really surprise you if men working for Stalin lied for propaganda reasons?

archive.is/jtMNP
>Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau

archive.is/ffFL6
>Contemporary German Documents on Homicidal Gas Vans

archive.is/CmcjD
>Contemporary German Documents on Carbon Monoxide Gas and Bottles Employed for the Nazi Euthanasia

>Cremation process
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It's a stupid theory considering the Soviets whitewashed the Jewish nature of the Holocaust and never even made a reference to "Jews" just "soviet citizens" even when entire Jewish villages were massacred. They would just list their nationality instead.

That's part of what is so baffling about conspiracy theorists in general.

It's like when people say 9/11 was an inside job or the moon landing was a hoax, when it implies that the government can undertake a massive operation with thousands of people and eyewitnesses involved and not have a single person leak anything to the contrary.

>Nazis weren't racist
A real Nazi would shoot you for saying that, you dumb Amerimongrel.

Like I said to the other guy, you are strawmanning, and misrepresenting the revisionist position.

National Socialism really isn't racism. Just watch these:
youtube.com/watch?v=asTYgd2Coi4
>Aaron Genus, a 16 year old Black National Socialist Traditionalist Christian
youtube.com/watch?v=VsYFsoIpRqo
>National Socialist Cab Driver defends National Socialism

Not at all. You are either a stormfag pretending to be neutral or you don't know what a strawman is. The denial movement is completely fragmented, and there is no specific beliefs to being a holocaust denier/revisionist. Some believe there was an attempt to eradicate Jews, some don't. Some believe there were gas chambers, some don't. Some believe 200k died, some believe 4 million. The fact that you call them "revisionists" displays your bias. Real revisionists are Historians who actually revise history through primary sources.

>Not at all
>then goes on to confirm what I'm implying, that holocaust revisionism is a large field and reducing it to the couple of stormfags who think only a couple of jews died of natural causes is completely misrepresenting the field.

Why do you feel the need to BTFO yourself?

>wah wah you're not a revisionist you're a DENIER *autistic screeching*
M'kay.

You never claimed it was a large field. You claimed being a revisionist means you believe there were no gas chambers or that 6 million didn't die. That's a lie.

I refuse to call you idiots revisionists because you are trying to push your pseudo-history under the guise of "historical revision" which is a real thing.

reminds me of this

>You claimed being a revisionist means you believe there were no gas chambers or that 6 million didn't die. That's a lie.
How is it a lie? What is it, then? Believing that nazis have a secret base on the far side of the moon? You're trying to conflate serious revisionist scholarship with nutbags, no doubt with the intention to discredit revisionists.

Stop being triggered, brainlet.

>How is it a lie? What is it, then?
I just explained what it is.

A fragmented group with no actual set of beliefs, because the different so-called "revisionist" scholars can't even agree with each other on what they think happened or which parts they think are fake.

Again, a Nazi from 30's would laugh in your face and then crack your mongrel skull.
Racism and racial superiority of Germans was the pillar of their ideology, you retarded fuck, they had racial laws, do you even know about that?

That's Zionist propaganda. Hitler had no animosity towards other races. He just wanted his to survive.

The holocauster idea's have been fragmented too, but it doesn't stop many insane claims from being made on that end.

>A fragmented group with no actual set of beliefs
So is any academic discipline... any serious academic discipline, that is.

nationalism isn't the same thing as supremacy user.

>Mein Kampf is Zionist propaganda
woah....

>The holocauster idea's have been fragmented too, but it doesn't stop many insane claims from being made on that end.
No it isn't. Historians are in agreement on the main elements of the Holocaust. Some may debate whether it was 5 or 6 million but it doesn't go much further than that. Alvarez, Mattogno or Hunt can barely agree on anything with regards to the Holocaust.

To be fair, it's hard to not be in agreement when not being in agreement can land you in jail.

I find it very curious that you assimilate diversity in opinions with lunacy... actually I'm lying, I don't find it curious at all, I've come over the years to understand the sheep mindset pretty well.

Exactly, and Nazis were German(ic) supremacists.

>To be fair, it's hard to not be in agreement when not being in agreement can land you in jail.
Do you think most historians live in countries where it is illegal to deny the Holocaust?
rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Holocaust_denial_is_legal
>I find it very curious that you assimilate diversity in opinions with lunacy
Quote me where I said it was lunacy to have diversity in opinions. I was challenging you saying "Revisionists believe ___" by saying that deniers can't even agree with each other on basic details so to say they believe a certain thing is just not true.

It's not a lie, it's just a highly misinterpreted event. Most history teachers will tell you all about the "gas chambers" which probably weren't even a thing. At the same time, they leave out all the sick experiments, mass surveillance tactics and basically anything else western governments benefited from and hired the people responsible for.

pic related

>US propaganda videos showed soap and lampshades allegedly made from jews
>the bear and the eagle:the bear eats the jew and the eagle picks the bones clean(autobiographical)
>the holocoaster(autobiographical)
>gas vans(Lipstadt's website, some photo footage was used in Holocauster museums and it was demonstrated to be from an indie French film from the 50's)
>Numbers on the sign placards changed:don't match the actual listings of those killed by camp administration,don't match each other's estimates.
>Yehuda Bauer flat out said the Simon Wiesenthal made up the 5 million dead goys so goyim could feel a shared attachment to the alleged 6 million

Sorry partner, here's pic related

>some despicable jews make up lies to get sympathy points
>it all must be a lie!

>60% of the population

So 2.74 million*60%=6 million?
This is 1984 levels of brainwashing right here

>US propaganda videos showed soap and lampshades allegedly made from jews
No historian ever claimed this, so it's irrelevant.
>the bear and the eagle:the bear eats the jew and the eagle picks the bones clean(autobiographical)
No historian ever claimed this, so it's irrelevant.
>the holocoaster(autobiographical)
No historian ever claimed this, so it's irrelevant.
>gas vans
archive.is/ffFL6
>Numbers on the sign placards changed
No historian ever claimed those numbers, so it's irrelevant.
>Yehuda Bauer flat out said the Simon Wiesenthal made up the 5 million dead goys so goyim could feel a shared attachment to the alleged 6 million
Realistically, 7–9 million goys died according to most books i've read.

>Do you think most historians live in countries where it is illegal to deny the Holocaust?
Well, yeah, most historians concerned with the holocaust. I doubt historians in, say, India, study the holocaust a lot.

>Quote me where I said it was lunacy to have diversity in opinions
You keep pushing the narrative that since there is no "mainstream academic opinion" concerning the holocaust it is not to be taken seriously.

I was challenging you saying "Revisionists believe ___" by saying that deniers can't even agree with each other on basic details so to say they believe a certain thing is just not true.
Which is again completely false, as revisionists usually agree on two things: no gas chambers, less than 6 million. Or show me the ardent revisonists who insist that 6 million jews died, mostly in homicidal gas chambers? If they claimed that they wouldn't be revisionists, would they?

>Hitler and National Socialism is not racist
I can just tell you're going to start citing Foreign SS contingents as some kind of evidence

>it all must be a lie!
Once again with that strawman.

>Kabbalist number
>implying Jews chose the number of victims based on fucking "magickal" symbolism
>this is what antisemites actually believe

To be fair they're probably the same sorts of tinfoilers who think the NWO go around displaying "subtle" satanic symbols in front of cameras apparently just so woke people can spot them so it's not that surprising

Pic related
archive.org/details/ReportOfTheInternationalCommitteeOfTheRedCrossOnItsActivitiesDuringTheSecondWorl

pic is not related

That first point you made basically describes the holocaust. And what Bauer said about Wiesenthal.

So you're telling me if I google this right now I won't find at least one historian backing one of those claims? As for the sign placards, they were placed by post war "authorities" on the holocaust, so yes not only historians but the most "qualified" historians were in charge of submitting those changes. As for the gas vans, I already stated why the whole thing is suspicious. I can't read German, so I can't even verify context from the site's postings. The fact these are Germany only is suspect(they should be in American and Russian records). I'm going to look around some more, but I find that the least credible of all the holocauster theories.

>Realistically, 7–9 million goys died according to most books i've read.

Name one, because a primary source told everyone that it's all bullshit. Then a week later, news claimed that over 20 million died in the holocaust(as a total).

>Most history teachers will tell you all about the "gas chambers" which probably weren't even a thing.

Fuck off back to archive.is/ffFL6
>Contemporary German Documents on Homicidal Gas Vans

archive.is/CmcjD
>Contemporary German Documents on Carbon Monoxide Gas and Bottles Employed for the Nazi Euthanasia

archive.is/VMJ3a
>German Footage of a Homicidal Gassing with Engine Exhaust

archive.is/bJohV
>German POWs on Homicidal Gassing in Secretly Recorded Conversations

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>The Contemporary Sonderkommando Handwritings on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz-Birkenau

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>Natzweiler Gassing Victims (Warning: Graphic Content)

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>Sobibor Gas Chambers Uncovered

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>Contemporary Handwritten Letter of Auschwitz Sonderkommando Prisoner Marcel Nadjari Deciphered

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>Names of Jewish Gassing Victims (1)

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>Names of Jewish Gassing Victims (2)

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>War-time German document mentioning Auschwitz gassings: testimony of Eleonore Hodys

I have no idea what you're talking about. Like, at all.

So that letter you just cited demonstrates that the 300k number doesn't match the 6mil number or the 5 mil number. In order for your claim to be true, that 300k Germans can't exist at all. Not that it would be hard to twist their arm at all, especially given the marketing campaign by holocausters starting in the 70's.

See:
Glad I could spoon feed you. Protip: It helps to read below comments before you post just in case.

>So you're telling me if I google this right now I won't find at least one historian backing one of those claims?
You won't even find a Nuremburg court backing the ridiculous electrified swimming pool bear and eagle cage turbo rollercoaster skin lampshade claims, it's mostly made up a long time after the war is over like how purported Vietnam veterans keep increasing in number every year it's just a bunch of losers who think they missed out on the most important event of their generation

To clarify, there were gassings as part of the "sick experiments" I mentioned, but there is no evidence of gas chambers used for mass extermination like uninformed people claim. The depopulation was done in much more mundane ways.

>cites one source designed specifically to counter holocauster misrepresentations

Ok.So what does that do for all the evidence we stacked above? Or the fact the red cross letter you even posted contradicts your theories? Or that the 75' date on the letter happens to be when the holocauster campaign kicked off?

Side question: Are you jewish or leftist? You have to be one or the other to have your jimmies rustled like so.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Wikipedia doesn't even say 11 million people died. It says 17 million.

The bar and lampshades go back to 47',but for some reason classified as concentration rather than death camps.

>So what does that do for all the evidence we stacked above?
You cited no evidence. You just said there is no proof for gas chambers. That's not evidence
>Or the fact the red cross letter you even posted contradicts your theories?
I never posted a red cross letter. Wrong person.
>Or that the 75' date on the letter happens to be when the holocauster campaign kicked off?
How is that a good point? How does that negate the contemporary documents I cited that were written 30 years before 1975?
>Are you jewish or leftist?
Neither.

>citing wikipedia

So it's safe to assume you're under 18, since the first thing college would've taught you is not to do this- but we're on Veeky Forums so no need to be anal about that. The bottom line is that my argument is that the number changes constantly. 11 million is what was in my history books. Now it's 17 million. According to Bauer, it's 6 million. According the the news reports that came out a week after he did, over 20 million. And my final suggestion is that around 300k died of Typhus, with anywhere from 1-2 million dying by means of execution for the purposes of being jewish(not including partisans, Soviet losses, Polish losses,etc).

The holocaust campaign was a direct response to one of the earliest concentrated denial campaigns of "Did Six Million Really Die?"

>I never posted a red cross letter. Wrong person.
Then namefag yourself or attack/defend his argument. It's equally as relevant for you, but I like how you just dodged it altogether. It's easier not having to argue things like that.

>Are you jewish or leftist?
>Neither.
So jewish.

>You cited no evidence. You just said there is no proof for gas chambers. That's not evidence
>no evidence
user I...

What revisionist scholars do you recommend? I want to BTFO jews where I live, some cry about MUHH SHOAH, or MUHH GRANDPARENTS I want to see them squirm.

wouldn't these guys get memed on for being "LE BASED BLACK MEN"

>did six million ever die?

>Then namefag yourself or attack/defend his argument.
I don't even know the shitty argument you are trying to make. You are completely changing the goalpost.

You said there were no gas chambers. I sent you tons of contemporary documents and you backpedalled immediately and now you are discussing a red cross letter I never discussed.

>So that letter you just cited demonstrates that the 300k number doesn't match the 6mil number or the 5 mil number.

read the letter he posted dumbass.

imgur.com/F9nYZg3
>Deniers like to implicate the International Red Cross in their holocaust denial

I don't really know why you're bringing up 19th century periodicals in a thread about the holocaust and holocaust denial

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Here's the thing: you've got to be mindful of all sides and arguments before you walk into this trap. And be respectful about it too, despite how strongly you feel. Honestly, you have to start with holocauster attestations first. Then go into other contrarian theories. There's been a lot said about David Irving. He's very good in his methods, but so you know he's not a denier in the strict sense. He denies many current popular theories are wrong with the whole scheme but that's it. He still believes in many elements of the holocaust and some you may not have heard of ("Reinhard" camps). He's probably closer to the neutral end of the argument, despite what jews will have to say about him. Watch his videos after you read up on the "standard" narrative and go from there.

>citing sources means your jimmies are rustled
Why do stormfags always say this when you cite sources? The mans you are replying to just told you to fuck off from where you came from (/pol/) and then cited sources and your response is that he's triggered? What an argument.

I never said there were no gas chambers. I said there were no gas vans. You just made up your own goalposts lmfao

>. Hitler had no animosity towards other races.

Really? Beause the Nazi propaganda you can read online all says differently

>When at the beginning of the Second World War the Jews again revealed themselves as the arsonists of war, Adolf Hitler announced to the world in the German Reichstag that world war unleashed by world Jewry would end with their destruction. His prophecy was a warning. The Jews mocked the warning, as they mocked all subsequent ones. Now, in the fourth year of the war, World Jewry is beginning to recognize that its fate will be determined by National Socialism. What the Führer of the German people prophesied at the beginning of the Second World War is becoming bitter reality: World Jewry planned to do good business with the blood of the fighting peoples, but finds itself hurrying toward its annihilation

(Source: research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/ds4.htm)

>In contrast to the views of the last century and of the so-called democrats of today, National Socialism sees the Jewish Question not as a religious problem, but rather as a racial question. After Jews had been removed from the civil service and the press and cultural life had been cleansed, the most important step was the Nuremberg racial laws (see pages 36-47!). The world paid attention. It saw that it was no longer a matter of theory, that it was not merely the anti-Semitism of an earlier age, but rather that the final reckoning with Jewry had begun.

(Source:research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/imbild1.htm)

It's not like this shit is hard to find or anything. Almost all Nazi Propaganda is about killing all Jews and "inferiors"

They all deserved to die.

>I never said there were no gas chambers. I said there were no gas vans.
You must be a different user then.

Most so-called (((Nazi propaganda))) was thought up in the 70's along with all the claims of the Holohoax. Holocausters like you eat it up.

They would have grown up to be communists.

its cute watching you frame your stupid shit as if it was respectable subject of history and not just a meme on the internet

Oh, and that's not to mention aerial surveillance by the US air corps or the RAF which demonstrate by use of photography that there were no chambers where there were said to be on at least some of the major concentration camps-including Auschwitz.

You explain what you think it means and I'll unfuck you.

>"gee user I really don't know why you'd post jews falsely claiming six million dead, how is that historically relevant to the holocaust"

I guess I like to look for patterns user.

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>You explain what you think it means and I'll unfuck you.

Theres no "what I think it means" user. Its simply you lacking the cognitive ability to understand the very VERY basic premise of that letter which is the red cross themselves responding directly to your claim of "THE RED CROSS CLAIMED ONLY 15,000 PEOPLE DIED IN THE HOLOCAUST" and them saying that they never said anything close to that.

imgur.com/a/725A7

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>imgur.com/a/725A7
Fuck off. I'm not gonna bother reading that horseshit.

>mentioning your jimmies immediately rustled them

Wow, this is almost too easy.

I did say that some of the gas chambers aren't where the current museums say they are, and there's photographic evidence.

Because it's obvious that he didn't conduct any research himself or read any of his own sources, but rather copy pastes links prepared by his handlers.

I know. Its because you know you are wrong and are a weak willed coward who is ruled by appeals to emotion

>copying links that prove me wrong isnt research!

>proving me wrong means youre jimmies are rustled!

lol everyone laugh at the triggered stormfag!

No, they hate people who drop a jillion preprepared sources and then pretend they're master debaters. But that's not just stormfags. If in my next post I dropped 20 links to different holocaust denial papers I bet you wouldn't consider that a very convincing way to argue.

How do you assume such a thing from that post? I mean all he said was "Fuck off back to /pol/" then listed sources. How is it obvious he didn't conduct any research himself?

That meme is so half assed, it just admits it doesn't cares about all the made up 6 gorillion stories in the past. I swear, there's no arguing with you people.

>jews falsely claiming six million dead
Are you sure those were Jews? I see no Jews amongst the authors.

Whatever, moishe.

Do you think that in the span of time this thread has been active he has had the time to himself conduct all that research and then neatly organize it?

No jews? Among the newspapers?

Its not a meme, its a picture explaining in really simple terms why your stupid conspiracy theory is wrong. Notice how all you are doing is getting butthurt and not posting any sort of counter argument user?

>my infographic is unvarnished truth!

Let's take a look on the editor:
>Paul Carus (1852 – 1919) was a German-American author, editor, a student of comparative religion and philosopher.

Seems like you are lying again.

none of those are jewish names user. Its hillarious that you dont even have any idea what you are posting and are getting so flustered that you think someone posting citations is somehow a bad argument.