Communist denial (Marxist-Leninism denial?)

Why isn't gulag denial and glorifying Stalin a crime like Holocaust denial and nazi symbolism is in Germany?

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Most socialists don't actually deny the Holodomor, most of us hate the soviet Union, but it was a genocide unrelated to Socialism, applied to reduce Ukrainian demands for independence. It's like saying capitalists have to atone for the holocaust.

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Soviet Union didn't lost the war
also, most Russians (not all) are literally braindead and worship Stalin as a god

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But the holocaust was also done by socialists.

>Soviet Union didn't lost the war
Yes they did...

I have never heard of Gulag denial. Somebody is actually denying that the gulags existed?

Besides, Gulags weren't extermination camps and their death toll isn't even close to Nazi camps.

Centrists are at it again, constantly deluding themselves that commies were just as bad as fascists and spreading their cancerous stupidity everywhere.

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What are the death tolls of each? I hear different numbers for both all the time.

If you're hearing different death tolls all the time, I'm not gonna give you one more. Instead, here is this piece of data: Slightly more than a million people were sent to Auschwitz, and only around 7000 people survived.

That means, if you were sent to Auschwitz, your odds of survival were less than one 1%.

Not even the worst Soviet labour camps (Norilsk, for instance) were that deadly.

Sorry, the post above was actually for you

Because GULAGs were regular prisons where people had to work which was more human then for example French colonial prisons. Holodomor was caused by the Jews

>Not even the worst Soviet labour camps (Norilsk, for instance) were that deadly.
[citation needed]

It's actually illegal in some places like Hungary.

For Norillag it's ~ 16k/400k

why do numbers vary that much? (((who))) could be behind that?

i just noticed
>400k
thats literally all the people that ever were in the camp

>I am retarded, therefore meme parenthesis

I know it's told a bit too often, but you really should consider euthanizing yourself.

How did they managed to kill 100% of people that ever worked there?

>the party that violently purged its socialist wing is socialist

Using American reading comprehension.

He's not saying that 16 000 - 400 000 people died in Norillag, he's saying that 16 thousand died out of total 400 thousand.

This means, if you were sent to Norillag, your odds of survival were 96%. Which absolutely blows the 1% survival rate of Auschwitz.

[citation needed]

How do you know he is american?

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Holodomor wasn't the Soviets fault and the kulaks deserved

There is one more thing: Germans were killing people other than themselves, e.g. Jews and Slavs. Soviet atrocities were (at least for the most part) Russians killing other Russians. The world as a whole will obviously care much more about the first thing than about the second.

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It is in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary, it's literally the same legislation

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Kill yourself, pinko scum.

They purged the communist Marxist wing. They were by all definitions, socialists.

It is in some countries.

also Estonia and I think Latvia have laws against advocating communism but not nazism

t. economic illiterate who takes the Nazis at their word

This. Commies were actually worse.

because the gulag ain't that bad compared to genocide, death camp vs work camp big difference.

wut war, pretty sure east germany was a colony of the soviet union

communist shortcomings were due to incompetence to a degree, fascists just want to kill undesirables wholesale.

because the west never formally engaged in large scale conventional war with them and plundered their capital ww2 style.

also this:

Denying the Holodomor means claiming that Stalin didn't do anything wrong, or anything right.
Accepting that the Holodomor happened means acknowledging that Stalin at least did something right.

he couldn't have done something right, he didn't exterminate russians.

The German butthurt belt shit on fascism.

The Russian butthurt belt shit on communism.

It's really that simple, and the funny thing is it has nothing to do with either communism or fascism, it has to do with the countries having bad history with Russia and Germany, respectively. Estonia was occupied by Russia for centuries, of course they'll hate anything that came from them.

>also, most Russians (not all) are literally braindead and worship Stalin as a god

only 50+ y.o. in general. Because of Soviet education. Thats obviosly.

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Wrong.

Correct.

>They purged the communist Marxist wing

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefsteak_Nazi

Holodomor is a hoax.
Massive starvation in agricultural regions due to policies of Soviet government is not.

Why did kulaks deserve it? Can you actually justify that?

Anti-communists themselves supported it

They refused to give up the means of production to the workers

>only 50+ y.o. in general. Because of Soviet education. Thats obviosly.

The other way around. Soviet education demonized Stalin in its later years. He was only recently cleaned up and honored again, like the last tzar.

The actual numbers of those who died in Gulags or starvation were way overblown due to Cold War propaganda, in fact most of these 60 gorillion deaths were cited by shit like the black book of communism. The things is like with the Holocaust, there is actual official state documentation on the great purge and the gulags.

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I'm not a communist, but Stalin should have killed more Ukrainians, they're all subhuman

It's because history doesn't follow the scientific method utilizes inductive reasoning in the circumstances you just listed. "Well, all these people disappeared and there are sad photos, so these guys are most likely guilty". Just by asking how you know the pictures involved are as you describe elaborates upon the absence of some proper examination of the deceased to actually gather as much info as possible to reach a conclusion backed with empirical evidence. It's a "good enough" method. I would say that they both, most likely, killed a non-zero number, but death tolls are always estimates.

>communist shortcomings were due to incompetence to a degree
Wrong
>fascists just want to kill undesirables wholesale
Correct

That's theft and murder by the "workers". The kulaks were acting in self defense.

>theft
Question. If during WW2 it was found that an American was ignoring the rationing laws in place in order to continue to make personal profit, should that person be punished?

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That's a loaded question because there shouldn't have been rationing laws on the first place.
Now, even if he had to be punished, execution is certainly not the proper punishment.

>"See? ONLY 1.5 million people died in the gulags, not 5 million, so what are you dumb capitalists complaining about?"

t. economically illiterate pleb who thinks the Nazis were capitalists

>us

What is destalinization?

>>Capitalists more related to nazism than socialism