Why didn't the Jomon correctly retaliate against the Yayoi? Did they fear the rice warrior?

I just did a 23andMe and got G1 for my mom's haplogroup.

Blasian Jomon descendant reporting in.

being able to farm during the cold period >>>> being able to open your eyes all the way

They coincidentally look white, but genetically they are more closely related to East Asians than Europeans.

It's almost like hunter gathers are at a disadvantage when faced with an invasive population of Agriculturalists

Not at all. For the longest time the Emishi- a Jomon subgroup- wiped the floor with the Yamato.

So much so that the Yamato's attempts to have a big Chinese-style state army collapsed because the Yayoi Virgin feared the Emishi Chad, so the Yamato Emperors initiated a system of large incentives (i.e. Free Land from conquered territories) to people willing to fight the Emishi. Birthing the Warrior Class.

Did they get wiped out or something? I read from Wikipedia that the name 'Musashi' (modern day Tokyo) is of Emishi origin.

Pre-gunpowder Japan is interesting AF.

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>thinking every single characteristic has a functional basis
wild dogs selected for sociability will change after 25 generations, floppy ears, a different breeding cycle are characteristics that come along for the evolutionary ride as wild dogs become domesticated purely by being selected for their friendly nature

They tried but man it did not pan out for them. It wasn't a genocide but that's purely because the Yayoi couldn't find them all.

It was also a serious clusterfuck. Peace sometimes seemed impossible.

>pushing the yamato back into the sea
based

They were more like lighter skinned abos.

You can't really mobilize hunter gatherers very effectively. I know that the Emishi did fight the Yamato people in a war in the 700s though.

Can someone explain to me why the Ainu and Tibetans have the same haplo? Did O masterrace genocide everyone in between them?

My guess is that it's """indigenous"""
When they got swamped by agriculturalist invaders the O people survived in the mountains or isolated on the islands

old, local hunter gatherer remnants most likely.

No. They were originally Abos that came from India and mixed with SEA's who then later migrated to Japan.
When the Yayoi people came and found them there were 50/50 of each and it still shows in some Japs today.

Center right looks like an Asian KSI.

>Abos that came from India
they're literally just descendants of old north asian, jomon era hunter gatherers and some yayoi further south.

ir.soken.ac.jp/?action=repository_uri&item_id=4960&file_id=19&file_no=2

>To investigate the genetic relationship among two Jomons and HGDP-CEPH East
Eurasians, Melanesians, and Native Americans I carried out PCA. I observed that two Jomon individuals clustered with present-day East Eurasians, but they were relatively closer to Melanesians than other East Eurasians

RETALIATE FOR WHAT?

that doesn't imply they were abos, just that they pulled away from modern northeast asians and towards the south, due to them having a more divergent and ancient bloodline.

>The Jomon genomic DNA clearly evidenced that Neolithic Jomon people were genetically isolated from modern East Eurasians for a long time, and they diverged from the ancestors of both northern and southern East Eurasians but postdated the divergence of East Eurasian and Melanesians

>that doesn't imply they were abos
The authors instead used the term Melanesians and Papuans, who are Australoid by anthropology definitions.

What's up with their high East Asian IQs then?

Why are we using our precious time travel machines to give IQ tests to Jomon people?

What does Jomon women look like?

Funny.
I mean their contemporary descendants.

See

There's a lot of things I could reply but I'm going to go with
>What's up with Nigerians in Harvard having high Jewish IQs?

The irony is palpable.
>Acts with an air of pretension, then types something utterly moronic
I was talking about the average IQ of the country, you fucking retard.
A tiny percentage, who may or may not have gotten their via affirmative action doesn't equate to the statistical significance of a whole country, or even a whole ethnic group.
Next time, don't try and ACT smart, BE smart.
>There's a lot of things I could reply but I'm going to go with.
Hilarious.

>*their = there

and it shows them as being quite distinct.

I was hoping that would suffice to activate your almonds but apparently you're a fucking moron with typical redneck racist views so sit down because I'm going to give you a scientific racist lecture.

What is the reason Northeast Asians and other Northern populations have high IQs? There are a lot of theories floating around, but let's go with two popular ones.

First, there's the Ice Age theory favored by most people who obsess with national IQ scores. The story goes that people in prehistory who lived in the cold climates of Europe and North Asia during the last glacial stage evolved higher intelligence etc to deal with the environmental constraints.
Now I want your dumb ass to find the Japanese archipelago on this map. The Jomon period spans from 14000 BC during the Ice Age to a few decades before the First Punic War. Needless to say, even after the Ice Age the climate was often (always?) much colder than it is today, so you can assume it was pretty much subarctic for 10k years or so.
And that's ignoring the pre-Jomon paleolithic inhabitants of Japan who have probably been freezing their balls off for longer than your own paleolithic ancestors but I have no idea how much they contributed to the Jomon genepool. In any case, proponents of the theory would expect the Jomon to be one of those fabled hyperborean master races who not only survived but thrived in the far northern reaches of Eurasia in an unforgiving climate, like the ancestors of the other prehistoric Northeast Asians. So why do you expect them to have similar IQs to the modern tropical descendants of the proto-Southeast Asians they diverged from over twenty fucking thousand years ago?

cont

>twenty fucking thousand years ago?
Is long enough to turn an IQ hovering around 80-85 to an IQ hovering around 100-106, because of:
>muh cold

Can you hurry up?
Because I'm about to burn you down, without the need for a foolish diatribe.

Okay, I'm bored and waiting and tired.
First, I'll explain what evolution is:
Evolution is random mutations occurring, then by chance, those random mutations prove beneficial for certain environmental pressures and are then passed on via successful genetic reproduction (though may sometimes might not be passed on, or not dominant, due to the complexity of genetics).
Anyway, so what is more likely is that they received these genes on their migration up toward what would one-day be called Korea and these genes proved successful and therefore were passed on from "true" East Asian ethnicities.
So no, dumb-dumb, they didn't evolve it on their own, they simply inherited from a "superior" people.
Nice try though, with your:
>MUH COLD
But again, your Dunning–Kruger has let you down.

>*bored and waiting = bored of waiting

Now the second theory, somewhat compatible with the first, is based on the Neolithic revolution. The idea is that agriculture is more complex and requires higher time preference, or otherwise that agriculture societies have various pressures that translate to a higher IQ.
Now the Jomon have been fairly sedantary and engaged in proto-agriculture and arboriculture over 7000 years ago, and both archeological traces and their population density estimates suggest that they were at least partially agrarian.
Then the Yayoi settlers showed up, East Asians who brought with them the fruits of the mainland Neolithic revolution such as rice farming and metalworking 3000 years ago, which were enthusiastically adopted across Japan.
As we know the modern Japanese people are roughly half-Jomon half-Yayoi.
If we accept that agrarian lifestyles select for higher intelligence and other such traits, then whoever had them among the Jomon passed them on to their children, or else the Jomon genes for intelligence were lost and replaced by the Yayoi's East Asian genes. The final result is the same: the modern Japanese population is descended from populations that have been agrarian for thousands of years and we expect them to have the IQ to match.

And finally there's the culturalist view, which argues that because Japan imported and imposed Northeast Asian culture (first with the Yayoi, then by mimicking Silla and Imperial China) for thousands of years, they naturally ended up being high IQ East Asian people as would any other population in such circumstances. East Asian people and their minds are the result of East Asian culture, whether you're a proponent of blank slatism or an evolutionary psychologist looking for selection effects in historical events.

Oh god this fucking retard still can't detach himself from presentism.

yes

see and get blown out of the intellectual water along with your pointless screed.

You act like muh cold is my fucking pet theory or something when it's one of the most widely held racialist views, including by that dumbass Lynn.
>Lynn argues for a partially environmental explanation for lower West/South Asian IQ with reference to nutrition as he does with other regions, but argues that since these populations perform much lower even in Western nations and have a lower brain size, that there are genetic causes too, which in his evolutionary framework is said due to their more limited exposure to two little Ice ages than Europeans and East Asians.

Also, hey retard, evolution still works even when you're not racemixing. How did the mainlanders evolve those genes?

You didn't blow me out at all, you basically reached the same conclusion as theory #2 from my second post.

The main thing is that there's absolutely no fucking reason the modern descendants of the Jomon should have the same IQ as modern Southeast Asians and there are at least 3 reasons why. You'd have to be a fucking cretin not to realize this.

They almost look Hispanic/Mediterranean. If you went and told me this girl is Portuguese/Lebanese/Chilean I would believe you.

>How did the mainlanders evolve those genes?
Evolutionary pressures, my thick friend.
I highly doubt 20,000 years is long enough.
It is more likely it was a cross inheritance from miscegenation with pre-existing East Asian peoples who had longer to evolve in the area.

Did you ever think I was half-shitposting for lulz?
Notice how my use of language and grammar has changed?
Mhm?
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of shitposting?

>I highly doubt 20,000 years is long enough.
Really? You don't think 20,000 years is enough for two separate population to get 85 IQ and 105 IQ in two diametrically opposed environments? Even after you realize they might have started at 90 IQ or something? Why?
>It is more likely it was a cross inheritance from miscegenation with pre-existing East Asian peoples who had longer to evolve in the area.
So I told you the Jomon people managed to replace, or are descended from, the paleolithic inhabitants of Japan who froze their balls off in a place only marginally warmer than fucking Siberia for tens of thousands of years, and also achieved some of the highest population densities for uncivilized people in that climate, but you don't think they might have been suited for that climate?

>I was only pretending
Ah, here we go.

>People shitpost on Veeky Forums
>REALLY??! :oooo
>LOL JUST PRETEND, AMIRITE?
Fuck off, newfag.

>You don't think 20,000 years is enough for two separate population to get 85 IQ and 105 IQ in two diametrically opposed environments?
Oh look, a wild strawman!
I don't think 20,000 years is long enough for them to evolve the genes on their own, when already surrounded by "high IQ genes", it is more likely it was due to miscegenation.
>So I told you the Jomon people managed to replace, or are descended from, the paleolithic inhabitants of Japan who froze their balls off in a place only marginally warmer than fucking Siberia for tens of thousands of years, and also achieved some of the highest population densities for uncivilized people in that climate, but you don't think they might have been suited for that climate?
When did I fucking say that?
Wait, wait a minute!
Is that yet another strawman?!
Oh, upset because you thought you were arguing against a /pol/ster, awh, poor you.

>Portuguese/Lebanese/Chilean I would believe you.

Because you don't know any. She's far too pale for anyone from the Mediterranean. This is Russian girl playing Counter Strike all summer kind of pale.

So what's your endgame exactly? Do you accept that the paleolithic people of Japan developed higher intelligence to survive the glacial climate and these eventually became the Jomon and Japanese people? Then you're not even disagreeing.
Are you implying Jomon people picked up intelligence genes from the ancestors of mainland East Asians on their way to Japan, or maybe that Japan was already populated by proto-East Asians when the Jomon arrived? But we know the Jomon were even more distant genetically from the East Asians than the Cambodians are.
Are you insisting that higher intellgience genes were only brought by the Yayoi whose ancestors evolved them to survive harsh and cold climates? But then how did the Jomon and their ancestors thrive?

Not really.

ya rly

She looks 100% Asian...

And finally you do insist that 20,000 years is not enough so let me ask.
When did Jews evolve their vaunted intelligence? Who were that race with 130 IQ they mixed with?
When did the Western African elites evolve their intelligence? Does every Nigerian neurosurgeon or CEO have East Asian blood? What about the Europeans geniuses? Do they owe it all to Jews and East Asians?

Obviously not. In every population there are brighter and dimmer groups. The national IQ is not "x base racial score +/- y based on environmental circumstances." It's a myriad of tribes and clans and families with various frequencies of relevant alleles that are obscured by national statistics, on which different pressures applied and continue to apply.
If you ordered everyone in a group who lacks a PhD neutered you would increase the "national IQ" score up to the average IQ of doctors. Among the next generation you will of course find many who are not as brilliant as their parents, but plenty will be, because the genes necessary for PhD-level intelligence already exist in the group you selected, along with whatever environmental conditions are also necessary. The population will regress (or progress) towards a higher mean. This comes about not from mixing with a superior group but from selection within the group.

If there were many morons among the Jomon they likely wouldn't have survived their first winter. After a couple of centuries surviving in the Ice Age, the population would, on average, have whatever IQ was necessary to survive in the Ice Age. Else they will keep losing members until they disappear completely or it becomes true.
More subtly, alleles contributing higher intelligence in the harsher climate will spread like wildfire among this population as their bearers achieve more success than the rest of the population. What was previously the fat tail at the upper end of the bell curve will become the new mean.

>If you went and told me this girl is Portuguese/Lebanese/Chilean I would believe you.
You are absolutely retarded.

protip: anyone who uses the term shitposting to refer to what used to be called trolling (aka you) is the biggest kind of newfag of them all
kill yourself anytime

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