Since Japan, Korea and now China are industrialised and developed countries (not yet for China but it's growing fast)...

Since Japan, Korea and now China are industrialised and developed countries (not yet for China but it's growing fast), is it fair to say that confucianism actually helps industrialisation instead of preventing it?

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It is an organizing force that allows societies to mobilize its labor at a microlevel. Other East Asian virtues such as frugality, discipline, familial honor, and education means they were able to rapidly develop human capital, save at a high rate and reinvest those savings into the economy, and endure extreme discomfort, especially after WW2 deprivation.

Yeah, if these three countries go hand in hand, they will be invincible. But that will never happen.

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None of these countries want the others to get out of hand. China is a huge market for the other two but it also poses an existential, military, political, and economic threat.

China cannot be contained, burgerland is becoming increasingly insular with its own future

sooner than later, china will regain it's old position in asia, and the diplomats will come naturally

I don't think it wad confucianism has anything (or little) to do with it except surface level correlations. It might make it easier to be wage slaves but the main model was state capitalism pioneered by the Japanese Post WW2 or it's precursor during Meiji era Japan

also partially this, but this modernisation thing iirc was persued even in the more heavily communist era, well before mao's retard ideas

>he types unironically while posting a Japanese style cartoon that's a blatant rip off of American comic books

It's fine when they're adopting Western practices and Western industrial technique and the Western scientific method. Confucianism hindered this progress in all three societies. Polities would pick and choose what elements of the West they wanted in their nation trying desperately to balance them with their antiquated ideals of harmony.

cartoons don't define supremacy, we use a number system invented by south asians, do they control us?

It matters little who started it, it matters more who controls it in the present, after all, britain started the industrial age, but germany and america really raped them in the end

Merchants should still be seen as scum desu senpai

>japan
they're all dead, so no.
>korea
kill half of them and make them fight a genocidal war under a western state(s) and they might industrialize
>China
pride goeth before the fall, China's history is getting BTFO when invaders come.

>confu
pagan bullshit

t. embraces the products of merchants in every other way ut Veeky Forums

Yes, I think that's a fair thing to say.
This is something that even Marx noticed back in the 19th century. When he was observing capital development in Europe.
What he noticed is that England, though it never had a real overthrow of monarchy, is the country where capitalism is the most dynamic.
Thus, it's fair to say that more authoritarian countries tend to be better managers of capital than liberal 'bourgeois' democracies. It's pretty interesting in my opinion.

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China's military and projection capabilities are a joke for all its population size. Any rapid militarization movement would trigger immediate suspicion throughout Eurasia. So when does the hegemony happen? Twenty years? Fifty years?

Fact of the matter is they currently can't even hold an island off their coast and get scraped up talking about a pissant part of ocean they should be rolling cruisers into. It will take time to build up militarily before any of the other powers take it as more then economic threat. China doesn't have time. Their population will cease to grow by 2020, and then you will deal with what the question the West has been dealing with for the past seventy years. Migrant workers or economic contraction.

Welcome to the neoliberal trap, and there is no escape. Africa will go through it too in time. The stormfags were wrong when they said multiculturalism was only for white countries. It's going to be the rule in every country on Earth until all distinct culture that ever did exist was destroyed.

>fighting with humans

They're already rapidly modernising their military but most Asian countries don't care since they want Chinese gibz and Trump is such a clusterfuck as a leader. Their favorability rating are actually slightly ahead of America's world wide according to pewresearch

nah china is weak, they will be collapsing by next year!!!

>Darksword
Edgy

All three had to basically destroy their traditional culture/way of life in order to industrialize/modernize. Empress Cixi tried to limit the disruption as much as possible with the self-strengthening movement, which had the goal of adopting Western military technology and partially industrializing while simultaneously maintaining a conservative Confucian outlook everywhere else in society and the economy. It failed under the strain of the contradictions inherent to that impossible mission. Once you let that genie out of the bottle, there really is no going back.

America has been it's ownworst enemy in international relations for nearly two decades now. They lost a huge amount of respect with George W. Bush, and Trump's far more silly than he ever was.

China on the other hand is going all out in trying to woo other asian countries. Look at the One Belt One Road project.

Wait a minute... China's population will stop growing by 2020?

China not industrialized? Are you fucking high?

But not completely a developed country.

What the fuck? By what dumbfucking measure is China not developed? Stop fucking posting if you are just going to meme.

Are you angry or something?
This will cheer you up

Yes. Asia will be the future after western civilisation rots

>By what dumbfucking measure is China not developed?

Oh i dont know, how about the % of people living in poverty or without electricity?

>merchants are bad people because I don't understand economics and it looks like they don't do anything useful
I am inclined to say confucianism stunted progress, tbqh though the effect was negligible. China had nothing like the royal society and its trade networks did not extend far, they did not sail up the coast of Manchuria to obtain timber and Manchuria's iron ore., they lacked a plethora of innovations, they were centuries from an industrial revolution.

only thing Confucianism has done for them is hold their societies together when they became fractionated by larger forces.

Confucianism is not necessarily connected to industrialization, but it provides the social stability necessary for a functioning government (and eventually economic development).
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UN population estimates say 2045.
Who knows though. Immigrants are a helluva drug and the CCP is the SJW of Chinese society.

Oh shit, I actually had a friend go to one of these summits a couple of years back. He said it was hilarious. Clearly they all hated eachother, but they knew they had to work with eachother. Basically was Korea and China dropping passive aggressive lines to Japan and Japan dropping passive aggressive comments back. In the end, they somehow settled it... according to the news.

Yeah it’s an interesting summit. Pretty much how you said.

It makes complete sense to economically integrate the East Asia region, but domestic politics always get in the way.
President Moon of South Korea wants to restart it, and so does President Xi. Both announced that all sanctions will end over THAAD now. Japan is generally wary of it.

The biggest problem is North Korea. As always.

>confucianism
>Japan

Neo-Confucianism was all over Japan, but that shit was hundreds of years ago and barely relevant today.

> is it fair to say that confucianism actually helps industrialisation instead of preventing it?

In the past Confucianism was blamed for why East Asian was lacking.

I don't know why you are so offended. Russia is still considered a developing country as well. Developing countries can still be a superpower.

>The biggest problem is North Korea. As always.

You are also forgetting Taiwan. As long as China regards it as a rogue province there will never be a tight integration.

>I'm this retarded

Confucianism has some value, but it leads to wanking over ancestors. It leads to stagnation.

Ancestor worship was around well before Confucius, though.

This. Literally every culture had ancestor worship. It was the center of Roman life and culture.

The labor force is already shrinking but its good as it raises wages. I don't think the PRC will allow migrant labor if they aim to stay in power.

Japan is neo liberal but they don't have migrants so migrants is optional.

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