You either die a hero

>you either die a hero

Or live long enough to also die a hero

This. Fuck de Gaulle

Petain was a cuck

or sell out your nation just so you can line a few pinkos and jews up against the wall?

False

It was him that reassured Hitler about the Western Front and thus allowed the allies to land in Normandie meanwhile De Gaulle was a subhuman and an anglo puppet

"We'll ring England's neck like a chicken"
Lol get fucked

>allowed the allies to land in Normandie

>He was merely pretending being retarded to sabotage Nazis

De Gaulle was a literally decent man.

French kepis are aesthetic.

>-Or live long enough to be quoted on a lame site where people waste their life discussing about roman skin"

>a literally decent man

>implying the Lion of Verdun would ever truly kowtow to the Krauts

Petain did nothing wrong.

was literally a decent man my non native english speaking friend

or live long enough for all of your enemies to slander you with lies after your death

He did nothing wrong.

A common debate is whether Pétain was a traitor, a senile figurehead puppet for Laval or merely a well-intentioned veteran working with a dire set of circumstances. The discussion is quite controversial, as Éric Zemmour caused a furor by upholding the pro-Pétain thesis. Zemmour pointed out that Vichy actually saved Jewish lives based on the deal Vichy France made with Germany that would assist the deportation of immigrant Jews in exchange for which French Jews be granted immunity. While Vichy aided in the Holocaust, France had the lowest Jewish death rate of any occupied country aside form Denmark.

Other conservatives saw the fall of the Third Republic as an opportunity to start fresh, stamp out corruption and rejuvenate society under Pétain, whose personality cult was well entrenched as a well known and beloved figure since WWI. Some were patriotic German-hating WWI vets who thought Pétain was doing his best to preserve France, angered by both de Gaulle's and the Brits' perceived desertion. Among them were even a few who thought about getting back into the fight.

I don't think you can call anyone like Pétain, his supporters or other right-wingers in France traitors so casually.

>or live long enough for all of your enemies to slander you with lies after your death
or live long enough for all of your enemies and pseudo-historians on the internet to slander you with lies after your death*

Collaboration was a mistake , but an hero in ww1

or live long enough to round up Jews yourself because you want to show your new masters you are a good pet.
Vichy is one of, if not, the most despicable slice of French history.
Submitting to limit civilan losses and avoid infrastructure desruction - I get it
Go above and beynd to show your masters your ideology makes you a good pet - Petain and all the low-life trash who followed him thinking their race would give them a rank which their added value doesn't justify

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wasn't de Gaulle's fualt. He knew by 1945 he fucked up hard after he realized FDR and Churchill were using him as a propaganda puppet. Thats why he more or less let Petain off the hook and then tried to emulate his ideas albiet in a normie type of way.

Petain saved France.

De Gaulle cared more about principles than pragmatism.

>the most despicable slice of French history
Murdering the House of Burgundy and buddying up to the Habsburgs without caring about future consequences was pretty bad.

...or you'll live long enough to ride dick of your enemies

is collaboration after defeat treason? It's not his fault that the civilian government crumpled under Nazi demands.

i think not are you french ?