Why are the Western and Eastern Roman Empires considered legitimate successor states despite being Christian (a...

Why are the Western and Eastern Roman Empires considered legitimate successor states despite being Christian (a departure from the original Roman religion) but the Ottoman Empire is considered illegitimate because it was Muslim?

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Because it became the state religion of the Empire. The Ottomans were outside invaders, did they even claim to be the successors to Rome?

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There are a lot of arguments, but they basically boil down to the Ottomans not being Western.

Because a) they were Europeans, b) they were ethnic Italics and Greeks, and c) they weren't Muslims.

Because the Eastern and Western Empires had smooth internal transitions into their later forms, whereas the Ottomans straight up just conquered everything and called themselves Roman.

The the Presidency of the United States eventually devolved into a psedo monarchy people would still consider it the United States, but if China invaded and took everything over, people would laugh at them trying to call themselves the successors to the American Republic.

ITT Retards

The east and west were just the same empire partitioned. The ottomans were some othef empire that happened to conquer almost the same lands

So why do you want the ottomans to be legitimate?

Yes, I believe Mehmet II claimed to be the Roman Emperor after conquering Constantinople. There was also the Sultanate of Rum(Rome) which came before the Ottomans

>Why is the Mughal Empire considered a successor state to the Mongols but the British Raj is illegitimate because it's Christian?!?!?

NO STATE CONTINUANCE = NOT THE SAME STATE

As far as I know only Mehmet II used the title "Emperor of Rome".
Sultanate of Rum was based on the location, not their larping.

Playing devil’s advocate =/= actually advocating for something

Not even the Turks themselves want to be the successor to the ERE. They would rather LARP as ALTAN URAG PURE TURAN GENES

Three things
1) a state occupying the area of a former state does not make that occupying state THE former state
2) succession is a thing, that's why the Holy Roman Empire was never really considered Roman on any level beyond temporal
3) they never claimed to be Romans
Nothing to do with religion.

lurp lörp xD

Please don't consider us as successors of Romans.

We have nothing in common with your white (subhuman) empires. We're your enemies because you're white (subhuman)

I think Ottoman Empire was the successor of Ancient Egypt...

its the kara boga meme

this desu

The Turks aren't Europeans, the Romans were.

Because the ERE has a direct legal continuity to the older unified Empire, Let's say that Germany decided to split into two states, that were defacto independent, if France annexed one of these states, we can clearly say that the remaining german state is Germany, Now let's say Poland annexes that state, does France become "The heir of Germany" Or does Poland? And relating it back to your question, are the Romance Barbarian Kings the heirs of Rome? Or the Ottomans?

There was never a Roman empire to begin with, just people LARPing

Mehmet II did but he was more of a LARP and the whole idea didn't last long.

The Byzantine Empire was not Roman. Neither was the Ottoman Empire.

Please don't consider us as successors of Romans.

We have nothing in common with your white (subhuman) empires. We're your enemies because you're white (subhuman)

I think Ottoman Empire was the successor of Ancient Egypt...

Besides Ancient Egypt contributed to the world more than the Roman Empire. Roman Empire is just a cracker meme. Romans couldn't even conquer Sub Saharan African because they simply feared the Black warrior.

>2) succession is a thing, that's why the Holy Roman Empire was never really considered Roman on any level beyond temporal

Couple Ottoman Sultans married Byzantine princesses.

>successor of ancient Egypt
Egypt hadn't been under independent rule for centuries by the time the Ottomans showed up.

>a departure from the original Roman religion
The Romans were Christian and Pagan at different times, dumbass. They were never Muslim.

Yes, the ruling title of the Ottomans translates into Emperor in Rome. Mehmet II also told the pope that he'd convert to Christianity if the pope would crown him an such and make his imperial title the only legitimate one in Europe -- as it had been during the Roman Empire.

>a Turk refusing to take a golden opportunity to be acknowledged be as not only European but Roman
Lmao and that’s how I know you’re not really a roach, a real Turk would’ve probably tried to use this as an argument in favour of Turkish membership in the EU

not really no
brainlets here will tell you that mehmet claimed that he was roman but the the contrary he actually claimed to be an anatolian turk, kin to troyans, wronged by the romans/greeks
the title granting was just for legitimacy over the orthodox

this is also wrong
the pope planned to send a letter to mehmet inviting him to christianity in exchange of papal support. however the letter was never sent and they used mehmets cook/doctor to poison him instead

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>T*rk
How does it feel to know you have contributed less to humanity than India?

Loads of peoples have contributed far less, the positional notation system alone justifies India having their own subcontinent imo.

>this post
No. The narrative in Turkey now is that America and Europe is scum, Russia is their friendly rival, and that Kurds are roaches. You have to keep up with the everchanging Turkish politics to correctly discern what Turks want, which is always in accordance to what their state wants.

Nobody cares about that shit anymore go back to 2010 with your memes.
Also the white meme is an american invention every non-american who unironically uses it is probably retarded or a cuck.

>OH MAN ITS LIKE POLITICS IS CHANGING MAN AND NOT STATIC

Stop dropping these redpills user.

Changing politics is one thing, being a goverment's sheep is another.

Are assuming every turk is behind erdogan?
Because its more like 40-50% but that still leaves 40 million people who don't agree with his politics.

And it also leaves another 50 that does. Doesn't help that those guys are the most vocal too.

Tbh I thinkthe media of both sides are showing eachother at their worst so that animosity keeps growing.
Nobody would watch the news if there wasn't a thing they could complain about.

>opportunity to be acknowledged be as not only European but Roman
>opportunity
why do you white subhumans think you're some kind of demigods n shieet? you're subhumans and your race is dying out. if you want to check out how much we like whites here come here and dig crusader/byzantine mass graves here. plenty of those white subhumans were buried alive.

Is this all one guy?
Can we stop with the shitposting for literally one second?