The Second World War was a rare instance of a (quite literal) mass conspiracy of propaganda, disinformation...

The Second World War was a rare instance of a (quite literal) mass conspiracy of propaganda, disinformation, and manufacture of causus belli - from the deliberate leak of the ''Rainbow 5'' memo, to the embargo against Japan, the Atlantic Charter, the exemption of the USSR (which as of 1941 had exterminated ten million people by way of starvation, summary execution and commitment to death camps) from the Neutrality Act and the subsequent de facto unconditional alliance with the Communist world by the FDR Administration, and the little known Lankai incident (diligently documented by historian Thomas Fleming). 1941-1945 was a unique instance of the US Government targeting sovereign countries for annihilation - and the literal extermination of millions of White, Christian people...a program of endless military assault that included plans to annihilate European capital cities with atomic weapons. In other words, the obliteration of the ancestral homeland of the American people by way of nuclear warfare.

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Link to a peer reviewed citation.

Don't forget the Germans and Soviets using false flag attacks to justify invading Poland and Finland, respectively.

>literal extermination of millions of White, Christian people
Oh yeah totally, and I’m sure they were totally targeted for being white and Christian while no other groups of people were slaughtered en masse, seems completely legit to me.

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The Soviet Union was annihilating entire classes of humans, pursuant to its guiding idea of world revolutionary socialism. The OGPU in the 1930s (like the Cheka, absolutely larded with Jews) was the single largest employer in the Soviet Union, and it was simply charged with exterminating people who were considered to be inimical to the Bolshevik program - a program that identified the extermination of the European form of life to be synonymous with 'world liberation'. The Soviet Union was, for practical purposes, an enormous death camp that was busily arming itself to the teeth in order to export its mass homicide to Europe. In other words, Jews, and their allies, were exterminating us.

Interestingly enough Nazi Germany actually facilitated their extermination by allowing them to take over eastern Europe.

>The Soviet Union was annihilating entire classes of humans

the irony of this statement lol

>it’s the “Jews secretly run the world and manipulate all major ideologies” thread again, featuring no peer reviewed citations.

Soviets killed to enforce state ideology. Nazis killed to further a plan that required genocide. America killed to end regimes that attacked it and that were actively committing genocide.

If the soviets has struck Europe first, they would’ve gotten fucked by the allies.

[insert evidence that the soviet secret services or Stalin’s regime were filled with Jews at an oversampled rate here]

Are you referring to the Holocaust myth?

Careful examination of Rainbow plans and related matters such as the Wilcox Air Base Act of 1935, where the Army procured funds for the construction of airbases which were to be used in a mass chemical bombing surprise attack against Canadian cities and ultimately to annex Canada, reveal that the United States of America is a genocidal and totalitarian state which was bent on world domination.

The problem is that many people do not appreciate the scope of the U.S. government's genocidal intent, but what they do not realize is that many plans did not come to fruition due to a lack of ability (see the Bari bombing) and not a lack of will or sheer capacity for evil. The military situation of the Allies in 1945 was probably much worse than they let on.

Given that Stalin expressly rejected trotsky’s Permanent world revolution doctrine, what the fuck are you talking about?

And then Germany signed a pact with them and divided Europe into spheres of influence sacrificing Finland, the Baltic states and some other territories while at the same time creating a machine of terror which surpassed even the Soviet one.

[citation needed]

They're called war plans dumbass, you're supposed to have thousands of them for every conceivable situation, we've probably got a warplan for fucking zombies and aliens for petes sakes.

>Are you referring to the Holocaust myth?
Are you just a moronic neo-Nazi or do you want to actually discuss history?

>Are you referring to the Holocaust myth?

No, Im referring to actual history. What you are shilling here is schizophrenic nonsense with no credible sources at all

'Gratuitous slaughter' is the distilled essence of total war and its a very terrible thing. I believe ideas have monumental power to shape political horizons, and the world changed when the USSR began implementing what Nolte called ''annihilation therapy'' in the service of its political goals. The only analogous precedent I can think of was the Noyades - 'death ships' utilized by the Jacobins, to destroy the remaining vestiges of human material 'corrupted' by the ancien regime. Communism was world-destroying, and in response, the Third Reich began annihilating it at its root, which was the Jewish world of social existence. It was, and remains, a progenitor of monstrous ideas. Of course, all the peoples of the world took heed of the 'new way of war'. Mao's praetorian guard exterminated 60 million humans, by Robert Conquest's estimate. The Oriental bolsheviks in Kampuchea may have halved the population through political homicide. America itself developed an atomic capability for the purpose of exterminating entire enemy populations without even deploying infantry armies and tanks. The Jews themselves, more than dimly aware of their declining fortunes in the Soviet state, perpetuated an organized campaign of homicide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine between 1947-49; now celebrated by them as the sovereign act of foundation of their own racial-socialist state. And of course, more recently, America killed a million Arabs in a comparatively tiny country to compel compliance with the demands of the Jewish global elite as - in Albright's words, ''we think it was worth it''. I can't really take seriously the shrill moral outrage of ''conservatives'' - especially when its directed against White men who were resisting Jewish tyranny. It comes off like Stockholm Syndrome.

Global judeo-american cabal theory, type 2

[citation needed for stalin’s Russia being jew controlled]

The Third Reich started the war by annihilating Catholic Poles, who were not communists.

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Take this shit to /pol/ if you aren’t going to provide evidence

>especially when its directed against White men who were resisting Jewish tyranny
Is that why Germany genocided white Poles?

Not as good as
Needs clearer sources section. Still appreciated

>when you need to save white people by teaming up with the jewish communist reptilians in order to slaughter catholic polish people

What you don't seem to grasp is that "total warfare" was a historical inevitability at that juncture in Western history, and EVERY participant in WWII reached a point where destroying any enemy material-- infrastructure, civilians, soldiers-- was conflated with fighting the enemy. You likely have a stunted, American-centric view of the affair which centers around the Western front, which is the only theatre in WWII in which Wesphalian customs were still vaguely acknowledged; and even there they were thrown out the window with the British bombing campaigns and the infantry tactics of both sides by 1945.

Imagine in an alternate setting if Germany was able to prevail in Europe, Japan was somehow capable of landing troops in California, and both countries were blockading America. What would have happened to all those Japanese (and other Asian) Americans in the internment camps? The American government identified and quarantined racial-political hostiles in the same manner as the Germans.

Sure, they were treated fine when the war was thousands of miles away and America was exporting food, but if push came to shove, if Americans were starving and blockaded, if domestic bases had to be abandoned in the face of an enemy offensive, the Japanese-Americans would have been slowly starved out and/or exterminated lest they serve as assets to their captors. Which is exactly what happened to the Jews under German supervision in 1944 and 1945.

So you can babble about your "humanity", but it doesn't change the fact that the German mode of warfare was no more sinister or "evil" than any other participant's. World War II placed a premium on killing... It wasn't pretty, and it wasn't morally admirable. But it's also not admirable to transform the affair into a boorish morality play laced with comic-book supervillains against a "league of justice" that was charged with "defending humanity".

>Communism was world-destroying
Well...
>The Führer gave expression to his unshakable conviction that the Reich will be the master of all Europe. We shall yet have to engage in many fights, but these will undoubtedly lead to most wonderful victories. From there on the way to world domination is practically certain. Whoever dominates Europe will thereby assume the leadership of the world.
And:
>After the war, under the "Big Plan", Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were "racially undesirable", 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[6] and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves.
That's pretty evil if you ask me.

You haven’t provided any evidence for your earlier points, and now you’re just posting unfalsifiable counterfactusls.

Ironicly, this is what Hitler would’ve called “Jewish debate tactics”

Sage

Hitler had no territorial quarrel with America or England and was hoping till his last days to facilitate a separate peace and concentrate on the USSR. He understood Germany's only future was as a superpower and wished to annex the European portion of the tsar's empire so that Germany could compete on equal terms with America and the British Empire.

>act like violent and retarded niggers in a war you started
>cry and play victim once you lose

youre sophistry and pseudo-esoteric rambling is impressing no one user.

Why are you responding so someone who won’t provide sources with moral or logical arguments? There’s always another layer of whataboutism

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And how is this justified?

More important, if the Germans wanted to save the white race, why did they genocide the Poles instead of allying with them against the Soviets?

>in my fanfiction murricans would have let japanese starve, therefore you are as bad as my genocidal totalitarian leader!
This is your brain on stormtard magical thinking.

Why would America and Great Britain trust a genocidal power that actively broke treaties whenever was convinient. The nazi regime was a rabid dog in international affairs, whose word was less than that of the ussr

Evidence? I thought you people read history books?

If you want to start read:

Hitler's Warrior: The Life and Wars of Joachim Peiper by Danny S. Parker
Hitler's War by David Irving
The War Path: David Irving
The Rise of Germany by James Holland
No Simple Victory by Norman Davies
Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Those are books, not sources.

>David Irving
Really? This is the core of your citations?

What makes your short list any more credible than the long list of historians with opposing views?

We're asking for sources dumbass, name sources.

Yes, read the books and check the sources. You want me to link you to a Wikipedia page? I thought you guys were serious scholars.

>listing off a bunch of books that you more than likely havent even read as your "sources"

lol

Okay. Why is any author in you lists’ view more credible than say, Adam Tooze writing the wages of destruction?

Test

Do you know how a source works? When you make a new unproven statement, provide a specific book and page.

The New Dealer program was not merely tailored to facilitate a geostrategic 'power grab' by the USA so as to afford the United States the status of a Superpower/Hegemon. Its purpose was a permanent reordering of social relations between and among the White world and the colored races (within America and globally - in case of the former, one only needs to read Fleming's analysis of the race riots during the War years in places like the Sojourner Truth housing development and the purported 'failure' to piggyback forced integration in toto upon the War effort. This was the impetus for Johnson Administration's ''Great Society'' and forced racial integration at gunpoint) and to abolish the Westphalian system of interstate relations in favor of a juristic regime (established at Nuremberg) that aimed to quite literally ''criminalize'' power-political activity that acted against the sovereign will of the United States and the Soviet Union. Concomitantly, the Nuremberg precedent/World Order cast the NSDAP as a criminal conspiracy, the purpose of which was the physical extermination of the world's Jewish population. This claim suggested (and in so doing, provided the intellectual and ideological basis for ''de-nazification'') that the political Right was and is essentially homicidal and criminal - and that one of the functions of the security mechanisms of the United States (police and military forces, domestically and abroad) was and is to identify and eliminate the political Right whenever it emerges and to prosecute and/or physically do away with/annihilate its architects and sympathizers.

>I thought you guys were serious scholars.

We are, which is why we are laughing at you for posting all this silly nonsense and then name dropping a neo-nazi propagandist and hack like David Irving.

Might be the worst ww2 list I've seen. Feel free to actually post evidence of your claims though.

Ah yes, let's use irving sources like proved forged documents and imaginary people.

[Citation needed]

[Citation needed]

>more retarded claims without a citation

fun fact: the new order is a nazi term user

For the record, no simple victory is a rousing condemnation of the ussr AND Nazi Germany, which castigated the west not for fighting the nazis but only for not also fighting the ussr. The author would disagree with almost every point you’ve made

I've read the book, yes, that doesn't mean it isn't useful to the Revisionist project

Millions of White, Christian people were killed, displaced, ethnically cleansed, imprisoned, or otherwise brutalized by the American-Communist regime that was the architect and victor of the 1941-45 War. To abandon the memory of these people to the Enemy's defamatory canards is a grotesque form of masochism, or at best a callous and ignorant abdication of Western heritage - the preservation and dignity and memory of which is purportedly the raison d'etre of the ''Alt.Right'' in the first place. Any political tendency of the ''Right'' that refuses to engage on/with this issue is as cowed as the controlled opposition that the System permits and endorses. .

The rise of Germany by James Holland also condemns the nazi regime.

You have provided no non Irving evidence of your central points.

You’re a pseudo intellectual. A hack.

[Citation needed]

Wow, you actually need to read books to learn things and you can't just have them spoonfed to you on internet comments? That's a new one. If you want to learn you have to do the research, my job is just to spread the truth.

You seem confused. Just because an author "condemns" the Nazis doesn't mean their scholarship isn't useful to the Historical Revisionist project.

>Millions of White, Christian people were killed, displaced, ethnically cleansed, imprisoned, or otherwise brutalized
I thought you're talking about the Nazis. Poles, Belarussians, Ukrainians, Serbs were also white and Christian. In fact, the Nazis murdered more Polish priests than the Soviets.
>American-Communist regime
There is no such thing.
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What _Specific_ evidence do each of your sources provide in support of your claims. You haven’t provided any.

You haven't provided any proof for any of the shit you have said. I can say that Hitler was a communist, but you would expect me to back up that statement with some actual citations.

>still unable to prove any of his points
>keeps writing like a pretentious 10 year old
>retarded concepts like "American-Communist regime" and "the Enemy"
Hilarious.

>claims that he possesses the truth
>refuses to specify how his sources support his claim, uses frauds like Irving
What did he mean by this?

I've mentioned everything you need to learn. Do the research now.

I forgot to add Ernst Nolte's Three Faces of Fascism

>There is no such thing.
But user, everything other than Hitler's Germany is, in fact, a singular entity controlled by shadow group of evil people. You have to be stupid not to realize that.

>do the research
That isn’t how you prove a claim. For instance, if I say “jfk was killed by space aliens”, I can’t just like to three different books titled “the life of jfk”

>I've mentioned everything you need to learn.
You seem to have missed the evidence that supports your points though. Oops!

Did you know that Hitler ate a Jewish girl with his anus? Do the research on your own, it's not my job to educate you.

Okay, I claim that the wages of destruction proves that hitler was secretly a retillian from beta zho. Read if yourself, I don’t need to do the research for you

I've given you all the material and resources you need to learn the truth behind Semitc and Academic lies about WW2. You don't expect me to give you a book or a resource for every single sentence I wrote, do you? This is an internet forum, not an academic debate. Those who want to delve deeper will, I'm not writing this for people like you who want to have everything handed to them.

Sure, do you have any resources I can read on this?

Did you know that WW2 never actually happened?

Do the research yourself, can't expect us to do all the reading for you.

No, you don’t understand. Your claims right now have as much validity as “hitler was a gay transvestite who killed puppies” right now, because you haven’t done anything but list a few books.

I can also list books, but that doesn’t prove anything without specific citations.

>You don't expect me to give you a book or a resource for every single sentence I wrote
I do, this is what we usually do here.

Dresden firebombing never happened.

Source: the art of war
The prince

>You don't expect me to give you a book or a resource for every single sentence I wrote
We do expect you to give evidence of every one of your ridiculous claims. How silly of us.

I'll read about it if you give me a book. This is a thread for Historical Revisionism, if you're just another brainwashed historian spouting the Jewish mythology about the "Holocaust" then this isn't the thread for you.

IHR constantly lies, most of their references come from their own articles, they deliberately ignore many documents to prove their point. Let's just say, you guys aren't exactly trustworthy.

See and Now disprove them using actual citations.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.pt/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html
Do you know these sources?

If you’re a believer in evidence, then there is a certain weight of evidence that would shift your views. What amount of evidence would change your mind about the number and reason regarding Jews killed in Germany and the general government?

If there is no such evidence possible, then you’re a fanatic

>"Hitler was a good guy"

Source: Muses told me, I don't have to prove shite.

I can’t tell if this is satire

You don't understand, I don't expect to give any evidence, I've already listed all the things that people who are actually familiar with this body of knowledge would know about. I thought people here were already well-read and knowledgeable about WW2 so they'd be able to discourse with me. You can't expect me to be your preschool teacher and hold your hand. My mistake, I see the users here aren't familiar with the historiography of the 1939-1945 war. I'll try to find a more advanced environment.

If you make a claim, you need evidence. For instance, you claimed the holocaust never happened (and provided no evidence), and said nothing in response to the evidence posted against your claim

>every single historian is brainwashed, the only people who aren't are chinese forum basement dwellers like myself who believe everything a proven hack like irving says
Sure m8. Come back when you have an infinitesimal fraction of the evidence actual historians have.

Sure, but you can't trust Jewish evidence or eye-witness reports either, they constantly lie.

In other words, you don't have any evidence. Come back when you do.

You need sources to go up against sources. See

>I thought people here were already well-read and knowledgeable about WW2 so they'd be able to discourse with me.
You haven't replied to any of our counter-claims.

Discourse with what? You just posted some really stupid opinions blaming everything on Americans and the Soviets while completely ignoring things like Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, German aggression of 1939, joint operations of NKVD and Gestapo, commercial agreements between the Soviet Union and the Nazi Germany, Nazi policy of extermination (Final Solution, AB Aktion, Intelligenzaktion and so on).
What do you even want to discuss? You just jump from topic to topic. From American goals before and during the war, to holocaust denial, to post-war Germany.

>Jewish evidence
That's the thing. Everything that contradicts stormtards is deemed "jewish" and discarded, making your conspiracy theory unfalsifiable. You are part of a sect.

You haven't responded to any of my analysis, and you have no counter-claims because you haven't addressed my claims. This is quite embarrassing for you, I thought there would be at least a few users here who would know what they're talking about.

Ironically it’s hard to get holocaust deniers to stick to the holocaust. They like to jump around

>denies holocaust
>refuses to engage with counter denial claims
>claims intellectual superiority
You’re a pigeon trying to play chess

>You haven't responded to any of my analysis
See , , , , , , , , , , , , and .

Here are times where people responded to your claims and you ignored them:

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