If gatherers are more productive and reliable, why do hunters exist as a social class?

If gatherers are more productive and reliable, why do hunters exist as a social class?

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thats extremely situational

Most areas have both edible plants and animals ya dingus.

That's like looking at a modern economy and saying "if doctors are more productive and reliable, why are mechanics still a thing?"

women gather, men hunt
nothing to do with class

Humans need to eat meat.

inb4 that one butthurt soyboy says "nuh-uh, just eat 10 kilos of broccoli"

Ehm.
Sorry.
This is just not true.
How do you think our primate ancestors survived?

>women gather
No its men gather and men hunt, women do nothing but suck cock and nurture younglings all day in the tribe. Women are fucking useless at doing anything physical compared to a man.

Eating fruits and insects(meat)

By hunting animals that had meat?

This is true. Women are useless.

Great! Then we can agree to only get our meat from insects.

If women gathered Im certain males in the tribes had to beat them to do their jobs as women dont do shit until you force them to they have no honor in them at all no social obligation unless its altruistic ego tripping.

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For what purpose? The death of 1 cow will feed many, the death of 100 insects is maybe 1 meal.

Any scientific evidence that this happened?

Insects are pain the asses to actually hunt thats why we hunt for bigger stuff like mammals.

at least you could make locust balls once in a while probably

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I have no doubts that women are less competent than men, but I cannot see how they can be irresponsible even WITH male guidance.

> a bunch of modern dutch folks
> scientific evidence
I wonder why do antropologists bother to study actual living hunter gatherer tribes

No they don't.
You're an idiot

Wow ultra permavirgin detected

more gatherers doesnt create more gatherable stuff

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4217462/

eat your broccoli

t. numale

1. THAT IS SPURIOUS DICHOTOMY; HUNTING, AND GATHERING ARE, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, MUTUALLY COMPLEMENTARY; PALEOSOCIETIES CANNOT PERSIST SOLELY BY CONSUMING WHAT THEY GATHER, NOR SOLELY BY CONSUMING THE BODIES OF WHOM THEY KILL, THUS, THEY ARE COMPELLED TO PRACTICE BOTH, HUNTING, AND GATHERING, HENCE, THE TERM "HUNTERGATHERER".

2. THE ACTUAL CONTRAST AND OPPOSITION IS NOT BETWEEN HUNTING, AND GATHERING, BUT BETWEEN HUNTERGATHERING, HERDING, AND FARMING.

3. FARMING IS THE BEST METHOD OF FOOD PRODUCTION, BOTH ETHICOMORALLY, AND UTILITARIANISTICALLY.

exclusively eating vegtables would be much more efficient not only for nutrition but for the ease of doing it

The problem is hunters are faster/stronger because they have to be. also more protein and useful products come from animals. You can hunt all year round but you cant gather all year round without it being really difficult.
also hunters probably fought the gather peoples and won because of being faster and stronger

Shut the fuck up you skinny gypsy numale.

Because meat is tasty

That’s it. We like the taste, it improves our quality of life by having a little pork with our lentils and harvested grains.

Studies of modern bushmen vary but as much as 80% of their diet is covered by gathering, and modern bushmen are more prolific hunters than Paleolithic H-G’s.

We also know from studies that their lives actually tend to be less stressful and intense than full time subsistence farming. Farming requires a large investment of tedious effort for a low payout, but it is a consistent, predictable payout, at least for the most part. Unfortunately agrarian societies also go through feast-famine cycles where economic consolidation results in fewer, larger farms, until the large farms collapse because so few people own land any more that aggregate demand no longer sustains the large farms and they collapse, resulting in famine. Couple that with the occasional bad harvest, and you’ve got the recipe for a Pandora’s box of troubles where down on their luck farmers or ex-farmers turn to raiding and banditry to survive while a land owning aristocracy develops which horde wealth (and in ancient times, breeding females).

Hunting requires fewer hours of the day, is work that stimulates our male risk-analyzing brains, but by their nature makes high density populations impractical, putting them at a severe disadvantage with respect to agrarian cultures, but their healthier and more active lifestyles makes them superior “warriors”, and their highly unpredictable lifestyles makes it so that when they do get lucky and invade an agrarian society which is due for (or in the process of) an economic collapse, they tend to establish themselves as land owners and settle down, restarting the feat-famine cycle

define "more productive"
calories? yes
protein? no
vitamins? no
minerals? no
clothing? no
deliciousness? no

Back to r/incel with you

Hello westerner.
Women can work and do good job but not if they never work in life and are spoiled whores(the same goes for men).
I mean hunting is perfect for men but gathering berries not so much. Sure man can gather berries also but women can do it too when men can hunt or try to ferment some fruits.
Gender specific roles exist for a reason.

They're not social classes

What if I told you that you could farm animals?

Web was the last time you met a homo erectus?

Our primate ancestors weren't humans

If sound ethical banking exists, why do traders exist as a social class?

if you're shit but you score big now and then you will be respected even if on the long run your contribution is below average

> men gather

Achtung! Soyboy raus!

When was the last time you met a homo erectus?

>Being that much assblasted from not having sex.

I WOULD ANSWER THAT YOU IGNORE WHAT IS FARMING.

meat has preotins and fun shit that you can't scrape off the ground like a fag

>Taking some spoiled rich cunts from an urban area.

Gosh, sometimes I want ISIS to blow up some powerstation to actually look how the "enlightened" numale faggots and incels will die due to having negative skills in the survival.

>Women can work and do good job but not if they never work in life and are spoiled whores(the same goes for men).

Define work, though. I am pretty sure that average office plankton would not only be useless in a "do or die" situation, but would be actually a burden.

I think some authors of the post-nuclear genre even touch this theme: People gather in the bunker of metro, but it turns out that at least half of them is usefull only as cannon fodder (even moving stuff around is too heavy for them).

If Nuclear war will happen today, townfolk has almost nil chances of survival.

>utilitarian ethics

IMPROVE YOUR "READING COMPREHENSION".

>implying direct observation is less reliable than speculation based upon nonexistent evidence and intense speculation

The east coast natives laughed at male colonists who did field work, considering farming women's work.

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>news headlines instead of the actual studies

>gatherers are more productive and reliable
>productive
>reliable
>more
>????
>implying implications

this is so false it is funny, in that while being technicaly true it is also objectively false

thing is, its exactly the same thing that makes women '''''fucking useless''''' that makes women do as much work as anatomicaly possible and then some in all premodern societies, before modern times women and children had the same economical function as field machinery or automation, this was so, and is so today in a good third of the world, because, the reality of having to survive on planet earth aside, both share common characteristics making them subceptible to domination and control, namely being physicaly weaker, docile, less agressive and less dominant, so more likely to submit and cooperate as ordered, as well as delegate orders and support authority rather than oppose or usurp, while at the same time women tend to maintain given structures and reproduce order as learned
so what is all about is that yes, that is obviously true in a sexualy segregated population dumped in the middle of nowhere, thats like looking at two parts of a dissasembled machine and calling one useless, also those are western women selected by the entertainment industry, meaning basicaly they are young nubile females ready to be put into full function, except theres no domminant older woman to scream orders at them and designate functions, or any men to set up a system for them to recapitulate in a dayly routine, if there was literaly one man there they would be sporadicaly doing ''chores'' just spontaneously, same way the men just went trough playing around with ''getting shit done'' spontaneously, but if there was just one woman there there would also start to size each other up and compete in silly ways and that would change how and what things are ordered around
in other words the men are just as useless, its like leaving a drill switched on without a drillbit, whirring away on a empty table

>its not a glitch its a feature

Like this guy said .
I was born and live part of my younger years in country side and most women, children and men work at last part time in farming.
And there is little comparison to the western people from towns who barely can make a sandwich.

t. FIDF

If you can't see what this is about, don't bark. In this study they have used people from town, both men and women. They were both unprepared for this kind of thing and yet men did a lot better, they simply split the roles between themselves and did their own thing for greater good of the 'tribe'.

Women on the other hand coulnd't do shit, they couldn't decide what to do and how to do it. They would die a shitty death if it was real, unable to form any type of 'tribe'. Women need someone to point the way, they're unable to do decide logically on their own.

Funny you mentioned women from farma, do you realise that no one denies that they work hard? But at the same time, it's a man giving orders from above, not woman knowing what to do on her own.

Women are like lost children without proper guidance. But go on, deny thousands of years of knowledge men have about women.

were getting too many r/incel refugees desu

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