Can she be considered a Roman leader

Can she be considered a Roman leader

Leave it to a roastie to destroy a 2000 year old civilization because she wanted MULTIPLE chads

Yes, her family were Roman citizens, and Palmyra was a thoroughly Hellenized/Romanized city-state, with Roman institutions and garrisons.

no

No

No, she attempted to create her own empire separate from Rome. If anything she was a Palmyrene leader.

When Zenobia openly rebelled against Aurelian, she titled herself literally "Augusta", hardly something for someone going for a separate, Syrian/Palmyrene identity.

>rebelled against the empire
>roman
Nah, she clearly wanted to be seperate from them.

Personally I would consider someone like Odaenathus a roman leader, he fought for the empire and maintained his loyalty to it when he could have easily created the Palmyrene empire himself, while his wife was more an opportunist that attempted to claim an imperial title in the midst of the crisis.

She was a rebel. Also shit who could only do anything as long as the emperors were too distracted to do much of anything.

Undeniably

Yes she wasn't that different from Constantine

Yes. Her husband was the paradigm of a good 3rd century Roman and she was a part of that long tradition going back centuries. It was useful for writers to demonise her by portraying her as barbaric and oriental instead of Roman. Any idea of a separate Palmyrene Empire is meme-speak.

That's not really an argument for your position, as it was a honorary title that meant empress. The only other comparable title she could have used would've been something like Queen of Kings.

This. It's almost as stupid as proposing that the Gallic Empire were a bunch of half-naked frenchmen with spikey hair and moustasches.

>Someone is culturally Roman, acts Roman, uses Roman military, institutions and titles
>Somehow isn't Roman

I bet you think the Byzantine Empire wasn't Roman either.

Hahahaha fuck off

Don't you fucking insult Constantine like that.

According to Angus MacBride, she was a Persian

what did she actually expected was gonna happen with Aurelian clearly on a path to reunite the empire? she should have just handed it over and negotiated a high position in it instead of fighting for a lost cause.

She was ambitious enough that she wanted control of the east, and knew that Aurelian would brook no power-sharing between them. Zenobia must have figured that, with Aurelian busy fighting the Goths, she would have enough time to prepare for his inevitable advance towards her by outright declaring herself empress and readying for war.

Can she be considered a Roman leader?

she (male) is cute, cute!

She's zenobia not cleopatra you fucking retard

>rebelled against the empire
>roman
Yeah sounds about right. Declaring yourself emperor was basically a right of passage in Rome.

you'd think he'd at least shave

that pre pubert moustache lmao

Not even wrong tbqh

sure, why not?

>When Washington openly rebelled against George, he was literally titled "Command-in-Chief", hardly something for someone going for a separate, native-to-North-America identity.

One is a man who, along with a group of other like-minded men, revolted against Britain over tax issues and concerns about the authority wielded in the colonies despite the American people having no representation in London.

The other is a queen who felt she both deserved and was capable of wresting power from the emperor in Rome to set herself up as ruler of the east.

This is not a very good comparison senpai

Someone draw smug Zenobia pls.

"Commander in chief" is a military title in the native language of George Washington. Zenobia took the personal name of the greatest Roman. That's different.