Spend the the first 5 years of my 20's counting macros and lifting

Ever thought you might be wrong? If not, what the hell is the point of this thread you moron, literally what are you asking us .

>That's fine, it worked, but the body still looks mediocre. I am okay with this, now I am moving on and want to focus on other things in life that will yield actual beneficial results to my life.

Then why are you asking us what to do?????

Maybe there are other older lifters on here, that aren't just in their 1st year and think they know it all..that can offer some advice to someone at my stage in the game.

I didn't come here to get advice from ignorant

You still didn't answer me dipshit.

WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US

>all of these stats
>no proof to back them up

Your mind might be so fucked that you think you look like shit since you see yourself everyday but you actually look good.

This is why people told you to post a picture. You don't need to post one with flattering angles or lighting

I am looking for someone on here...who has spent a long time lifting, that eventually grew out of it and stopped taking it so seriously...and focused on other more important aspects of their life. I want to know what steps they took and changed in terms of their training/nutrition in order to change from being extremely dogmatic and autistic about their training/nutrition ( like I am right now ) in order to relax on it, and not take it so seriously, so I can begin focusing on more important things in life so I don't hit 30 and regret wasting another 5 years of my 20s.

I DO NOT believe that someone here, that's only just been for less than a few years can offer me any advice, why? Because they're all still stuck in the mindset that I use to have, I can't take advice from people who are in still in a mindset I was years ago early on in my lifting. I am looking for advice from guys who have already gone through that phase of being obsessed with their routine and nutrition and moved on to not worrying about it so much in order to focus on other more important aspects of their life.

Look up 3dmj Jeff Alberts

If you haven't learnt to do that after 5 years you probably wont ever.

It's not like working out and eating right is something that should consume your entire life, lift about 3-6 hours a week, and manage your calories. Not exactly rocket science m8

When I say I look mediocre, I am comparing myself to a physique like this.

Yes I know its a terrible idea to compare yourself to a fake-natty during prep blasting gear. But I can't help it.

then roid too

That's body dysmorphia man you should talk to a specialist or something

this

You are requesting a highly specific situation to meet your demands and aren't receiving it because people don't respond the way you want them to. guessing its the same for your body desu

why not post the pics? some people will troll some people wont. but until you do and keep writing huge paragraphs bitching. no-one will be able to properly help you

Lifting gave me BD.

I felt more secure with my body at 150lbs 20-22% bodyfat, than I do now 5 years later at 185lbs 13-15% bodyfat.

OP sounds like a whiny teenager that can never be wrong. Please die or stop being so autistic

>scientifically proven methods

you're damn right you have BD, if it bothers you that much leave your natty card behind, but chances are you look huge to the vast majority of the population if you've been lifting for 5 years with a decent routine and diet

Get on gear.

Your conception of a 'built physique' has been warped by over sixty-five years of steroid use.

>250mg test per week with pins is less than a beer for christsake

Now see how ogus looked on stage without perfect lighting and angles

youtu.be/PWwhP49ulA0

> counting macros

Now there be your problem

Fucking cock sucker. If you want a roid body look start fucking roiding.

You actually upset that you couldnt beat a roider natty????

I don't really count macros except protein and kind of count my calories and run a PPL. Been lifting for 4 years and still making decent gains with it. While I probably could get 20% more results by autistically tracking macros, calories and only eating the same chicken, rice and veggies shit everyday, but in the end I don't really see the point. Lifting is a hobby for me, not a way of living.

I feel like Ogus goes way overboard on using perfect lighting and angles at home in his own environment, to the point where it actually hurts him when he gets on stage, because he ends up looking worse. He puts it down to not peaking right, but in reality he just didn't realize he was making himself appear better than he actually looked.

>Never used roids

You could give someone the best (kek) 'scientifically based proven methods' of training and diet, but they won't build nearly the same quality and size of muscle as someone who simply sits on his ass all day and once a week gets up to pin it with a barebones test cycle.

Read PubMed and the medical lit on sex steroids. Search terms: Aids patients (hint - it's why so many fags you see in big cities are 'JACK3D'), burn victims, the huge amount of material released by the Soviets and East Germans from the sixties onowards about roiding their athletes.

That mass gain favouring the ass-sitting steroid user is only true in the short term. The lack of a training stimulus means the test gains top out quite quickly.

It isnt about your routine.
It isnt about your diet.

You are not going hard enough in the gym.

More muscle failure.
More ROM.
Less rest.
Make the sessions 1 hour and longer.

This is how my body looked like after 8 months FUCKING 8 months of lifting.

And i had a SHIT diet. I ate pizza every single day, vegetables werent a thing.

But i was training like an olympia

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Read the lit, or try the shit before you spout opinions.

Wondered why GENETIC FREAKZ can build their frankenstein arms through death sets of 15lbs dumbells? It ain't the 'training stimulus' of the iron, let me tell you, it's the training stimulus of the mast they're injecting.

ah the "expert" 1st year lifter

enjoy those gains sir, you wont be making many changes at all in the future now.

Considering that failure sets as low as 20% (possibly lower, but I don't think its ever really been checked) spike protein synthesis just as effectively as failure sets at higher percentages, I'm pretty sure the stimulus has something to do it.

But be my guest. Inject 250/wk test-e and sit on the couch and see how long the gains train lasts.

You will literally be making gains if you eat caloric surplus and enough protein. Unless, you're a low test faggot.

In your first year or so, yes. After that, enjoy your fat gains.

> that advice
>that horrible, everyday is arms day font look at my legs euro body

He's trying to fix himself, not make it worse.

Just live life OP. Everyone gets worse to their 30s. As long as you're still trying you'll be miles ahead

Yeah that's exactly how your body works senpai. Stay low test :^)

That pic is 2 years old lmao.

Also, how does it matter that it was my first year of lifting. Im was probably bigger in that pic than OP is now.

>not roiding

its like you wanted to look mediocre after 5 years of lifting.

Get on roids brah. You obviously want to have that look, if you know what your doing its completely safe, there is no reason not to get on.

>thick chest
>buldging shoulders

What are you on about? He is proportionate as fuck.
Exspecially for 8 months

Roids are never completely safe, regardless of whether you know what you're doing or not. You don't know how other people will react to taking steroids. It's just bad advice to give such a blanket statement.

>That a lone should indicate that I've actually done it 100% right
god lord. you need help.

Shut up faggot. A small conservative cycle of test is fucking no more dangerous than any other slightly unhealthy lifestyle people live. Pull the dildo out of your ass and live a little.

>this fucking thread

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A 250ml energy drink taken at 9am makes me unable to sleep until 6am the following day.

I am 100kg and 6'3 and child dosages of medicine is over-kill for me.

I would probably fucking drop dead if I took gear. My body just sucks everything up so well.

Nah you're just a pussy

There is something wrong with you lol

What are your stats and routine?

You don't eat enough, you don't lift heavy enough, when you do lift you don't try hard enough, you don't do enough cardio and you don't sleep enough.

How many of these apply to you? Lazy cunt

first post ive read today, and of course its some cunt who can't be fucked to ACTUALLY try. Even if your diet is perfect it makes no difference if you don't even break a sweat in the gym. fuck you stop wasting everyone's time
kill this thread

>implying you look good

be fucking greatful you have the patients to keep doing it for 5 fucking years mate..... also you have an internet connection clearly use google and find out what the body builders do to get their looks... not sure if asking Veeky Forums is a good idea... 3 weeks into gyming 5 days a week and trying to eat relatively well and I am noticing a difference in my appearance I max out on the last set of every exercise and have no rest between sets and minimal setup time for each exercise and spend an hour in the gym maybe try harder

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