It's clear that this song is anti-fascist yet at the same time it's not like lyrics revolve around how much Adil can't wait until Mboko comes sleep with his wife like modern communist fixate upon. The lyrics are patriotic and nationalistic.
In practice, communist states appealed to patriotism and "traditional" values quite a bit. The greatest threat to national and cultural identity really comes from neoliberal capitalism.
Angel Wilson
the concepts of national communism and socialist patriotism were at their peak in this time period. We saw the forced assimiliation of Turks in socialist Bulgaria, for example.
Colton Scott
Basically.
Robert Sullivan
>In practice, communist states appealed to patriotism and "traditional" values quite a bit. Why is that? Considering Marxism is theatrically internationalist and anti-traditional.
Carson Johnson
There was never such a thing as "communism in europe" and this is a fact. I'd like to see anyone claiming otherwise >inb4 "muh nut reel gommunism heh"
Blake Martin
But Trotsky lost. This is Stalinism we're talking about
Julian Long
Socialist states were full of contradictions. They preached internationalism but they were more nationalist than Western countries.
Samuel Lopez
>Marxism is theatrically internationalist and anti-traditional. yes it is. But when you have to run a state and a government, borders and traditions turns out to be essential in keeping things together.
Jose Lopez
>Stalinism Not really. Stalin died in 1953 and since 1956 it was something entirely different.
Even censorship wasn't that bad. Of course you couldn't really criticize the state or Russians, but it was possible to show the Church as the good guys, Western countries in a completely neutral way (even the USA) and so on.
Easton Harris
pragmatism, they had a fuckton of nationalities, language groups and etnies living inside their borders
Jeremiah Peterson
The best patriotic films were created during the socialist era. Historical films were very popular back then, I think it's true for most socialist states.
Chase Parker
Internaionalsim is the purest form of nationalism
Caleb Hill
This. If you live in capitalist society, you should be a strong competitor, so it doesn't matter which values do you prefer. And this is right as well. 1979 Vlad Tepes the only Romanian movie that I've seen and it's awesome
Connor Brooks
>What was communism in Europe REALLY? thinly veiled kikery that appeals to the 'something for nothing' crowd
Jose Reed
read a book fag
Carter Rogers
Well first, the only people who fixate on cucking are insecure right wingers.
But yeah, European socialism could be considered socially conservative by some metrics because these states were not built upon a liberal tradition and there was no space for the popular movements of the 60s (free love, drug use, gay pride, women's liberation) to emerge.
However these societies all had egalitarian principles built into the legal framework in ways that aren't imaginable today. The Soviet Union and its satellites were expressly feminist institutions for instance, championing women's rights and promoting their participation in politics and academia without shaming women who preferred to be home-makers.
Many socialist governments were pretty nationalistic, because this has always been a useful tactic to increase support for your party and because in every communist country the largest group of dissidents were always pro-West rebels who could easily be portrayed as imperialist stooges opposing the national values of socialism and liberation.
Bentley Wilson
You can easily be staunchly internationalist and still a patriot. Look at North Korea, which despite being quite poor has an ideological interest in supporting anti imperialist movements all across the third world.
Another good example would be pan-Arabist patriots like Nasser or Assad.
Sure, but there were a dozen European countries inspired by communist ideology who based their policy around the creation of a communist future.
the descendants of these people are fighting the neoliberal Ukrainian gov today.
Wyatt Lee
Why are r/TheDonald rapefugees so fixated on cuckoldry?
Charles Martin
>Everyone who says anything bad about communism is from /r/thedonald Oh bless your heart sweetie :^(
Luis Jones
RED FASCISM E D
F A S C I S M
Charles Lewis
>Everything I Don't Like is Fascism: The Post
Zachary Reed
>t. butthurt red fasci- I mean ML
Carson Davis
Nigger I'm not a Marxist, you're just proving my point by calling me a fascist for disagreeing with you. 'Red fascism' is contradictory, you don't know what fascism is if you think that's a real thing. You people are so desperate to try and pass off the failings of your ideology onto others that you just end up looking like idiots.
Connor Lee
>it's a triggered /pol/yp spergs out over nothing and makes themselves look like an idiot episode Really sick of this one.
Jason Mitchell
I'm not a fascist, see this is exactly what I'm talking about. I've pointed out how you're wrong and I'm automatically some /pol/ nazi fascist. Get off of my board you communist scum, Veeky Forums is, was, and always will be a whig board. You people are literally worse than /pol/, which I didn't think was possible.
Chase Morales
It's pretty simple, they can't get laid and assume immigrants are hogging all the chicks
Tyler Bailey
Fuck u
Jose Brown
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Sebastian Scott
No one really know about Makhno nowadays.
Lucas Martinez
>In practice, communist states appealed to patriotism and "traditional" values quite a bit. Bullshit.
Jackson Davis
No, it was a reality. Take even Germany for instance. East Germany keep most of local military traditions.
Alexander Ward
If only we retained same values. Instead, most of Eastern Europe was wrecked by rapid social and economic liberalization. Not saying things are that awful now, but in some areas we took a step back for literally no reason.
Hunter Robinson
>Veeky Forums is, was, and always will be a whig board. I got hard from how much BASED this line was.