The Ottomans actually made multiple attempts to join the Entente before entering the war on the side of the Central Powers. The Ottomans were absolutely terrified of Russia at this point in time, they were hoping that if they could join the Entente, Britain and France would force Russia to back off, just as they'd done during the Crimean war. When the Ottomans attempted to approach a French diplomat with their proposal, they were sharply rebuffed. Attempts to contact the British government went about as well.
Running out of options, the Ottomans did the unthinkable. They went to the Russian embassy in Istanbul and asked the Russian ambassador there if he'd be willing to promote the idea of an Ottoman-Russian alliance against the Central Powers. The Ottomans promised that they support the Czar's war against Germany if they received some assurance that the Czar would respect Ottoman territorial sovereignty. Specifically, the Ottomans requested that Russia stop trying to create an independent state for Armenians in East Anatolia. In exchange, the Ottomans would enter the Great War on the side of Russia and the Entente.
The Russian ambassador responded with surprising enthusiasm, and he contacted the Russian government with the proposal. The answer that he received was only that Russia would respect Ottoman neutrality during the war if the Ottomans agreed to remain neutral. The Russian government did not entertain even the vaguest notion of a military alliance, and they made no promises that Ottoman territorial sovereignty would be respected after the war. With no other options, the Ottomans turned to Germany as their last hope.
However, even the Germans weren't entirely sure that they wanted the Ottomans on their side. In the end, Kaiser Wilhelm II himself made the decision (against the predominant opinion) that the Ottomans should be accepted into the Central Powers.
Kayden Edwards
Why were they so adverse to staying neutral?
Aaron Baker
Nobody gives a shit anymore about what side the Ottomans were on. The only condemnable they did was to chimp out and massacre their own citizens.
Angel Lewis
Not well read but the Ottomans have lost vast amounts of territory in the past 50 years up to WWI so they stand to gain nothing by remaining neutral. How aware were the Ottomans of potential designs on the middle east and therefore was that a driving factor in their desire for enured territorial integrity? I guess to understand the question op should elaborate on the Ottoman's perspective of a rapidly industrializing Europe and its system of alliances.
Aiden Wilson
>Ottomans effeminate easterners too close to the big boys. They should have fled southeast.
Anthony Thomas
Because they were terrified of Russia (with good reason) and they realized that unless another one of the European Great Powers intervened on their behalf, they were done. The Ottomans were hoping that if they joined the war against Germany, then Britain and France would repay the favor by saving them from Russia like during the Crimean war. I just think it is quite interesting that they were willing to contemplate a military alliance with Russia, their arch-nemesis, their biggest external threat by far. That really shows just how desperate they were at this point in time.
Angel Morris
Now that would have been a weird timeline.
Ethan Ross
Jaja because Arab tribesman were going to hook them up with a place to stay
Evan Harris
The Ottoman Empire will always be the greatest and most civilized Muslim controlled country ever. Something happened between then and now that really radicalized them and made them go off the cliff crazy.
Daniel Peterson
The book doesn't deny the Armenian genocide. I haven't finished it yet, hell I'm not even 25% of the way through, but it has already talked about the Armenian massacres quite a bit. That's not the focus of the book, though. The book is about the entire war in North African and Middle-East. The last part I got through talked a lot about Egypt, Algeria, and India. It's been pretty interesting so far.
Jose Sanders
>>Something happened between then and now that really radicalized them and made them go off the cliff crazy.
Benjamin Walker
Every empire goes nuts when it realizes that it is about to become irrelevant, but still has enough energy left to give it one last go. It's honestly a miracle that the Soviets didn't blow up half the world during their fall. If somebody other than Gorbachev had been in charge, that very well could have happened.
Joshua Brown
Constantinople nor Rome ever went nuts.
Michael Hall
What about Italy?
Anthony Turner
What about it?
Chase Ramirez
Traitorous little shit
Easton Bailey
Why didn't it join the axis?
Austrungary declared war out of defense
Joshua Hall
They would've been massacred in the desert, Aye-rabs hated them by that point because they clearly couldn't defend Islam.
Juan Bennett
Yeah, Rome was so old they just plodded along as normal. The idea that it could cease to exist one day was just unthinkable. The first generation or so after the fall of Rome wasn't so bad, 'Romans' kept going like they had for centuries before, IIRC Vandal-ruled North Africa and Ostrogothic Italy actually experienced a resurgence due to wise rule and a decline in conflict.
Jack Fisher
What about Germany, Spain, and Greece, they all had their falls, but none went psychotic.
John Hughes
turkroaches lol im not reading this thread
Lincoln Gonzalez
good thread thanks user
Christopher Hughes
Italy and Austria had conflicting territorial interests. Joining the entente was a no brainer, they just strung both sides along for a while hoping to get a better deal.
Henry Rogers
An absolute joke >turn on your allies at a crucial moment >most of Austria's armies are bound against Russia >invade through the alps >still gain absolutely nothing in 3 years and almost get defeated as the Germans go on the offensive in 1917, only getting saved by the German high command's indecisiveness Based Cadorno
Jaxson Foster
>Italy still exists >Austrian Empire doesn't >Italy's borders are as large as they ever were >Germany has had large bits amputated They did something right.
Henry Powell
Spain and Greece didn’t because people Didn’t care and Westphalian principles ruled the day. Germany tried to genocide the Jews and Slavs so they definetly went overboard.
Alexander Long
They chose the right side, yes. They themselves, however barely contributed at all to the war effort.
Logan Johnson
>He doesn't know about the 12 battles of the Isonzo.
Lincoln Bell
Who or what are the Isonzo are they some middle eatern or Native America tribe?
Chase Ramirez
The decisive Italian victory(ies) that brought an end to Austro-Hungary.
Julian Wright
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Caleb Bennett
Turkey is far, far better than the Ottoman Empire ever was. Italy had basically no domestic coal production, being dependent on imports, and the Med was a British lake. They were literally incapable of waging war on the Entente.
Jackson Hall
2+ million Austro-Hungarians killed, wounded, or captured is hardly "barely contributing anything".
Christian Hernandez
>Austro-Hungarians Seriously though, while the alpine front did tie up German ressources it also tied up Entente ressources. Hell, the Entente had to divert quite a bit of manpower and material to stop the Italians from collapsing after the twelfth battle of the Isonzo
Ian Ortiz
Why couldn't Austrungary give Italy south Tyrol?
Aaron Stewart
Because they didn't just want South Tyrol. They wanted Albania and the entire Adriatic coast, too.
Luke Robinson
Nope, that's Tunisia You can thank France for that
Julian Ramirez
You mean Dalmatia? Look at the map I put
Parker Clark
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Henry Clark
As a Turk : İt is known that the Young Turks trıed to join France and Britain ın the world war. They knew the only way to stop Russia was an alliance with the west, and they also knew that Britain wanted to split the Ottoman Empire. So they tried to creat a friendship, As they got rejected they knew the only solution was to join Germany to stop the British plans to conquer the middle east, the the Russian plans to conquer Anatolia.
Eli Young
The Ottoman Empire and the Sumerians are the most fascinating cultures in world or human history.