How come there are so few fat vegans?

Because vegans care enough about their diet to control it very strictly. Why would someone who has the willpower to cut all animal products out of their diet also be fat?

Is it worth being vegan and working out? I'm doing it just for the weight loss so I can get down to a healthy weight. Think it might be 145, I'm 5'5 and 250lbs right now.

>this thread again

You'd actually only need around 200g of blueberries to break 100 calories. Not exactly a huge ass bowl imo.

You can have protein in a vegan diet.

Vegans just almost never incorporate it into their diet

People who have enough control to be vegan have enough control to not get fat

I just eyeball my food (not a faggot or a noob), and I'm pretty sure that's what it was.

Do feel very full now, despite it being only a piddly 100kcal, like pissing in the ocean. The point was that vegans eat basically nothing.

Veganism mostly appeals to those with eating disorders like anorexia and orthorexia

There are probably more fat vegans than there are fit vegans.

Holy shit the people on Veeky Forums seems to be absolute experts on vegans and what they do, stating everything as if they were clear facts.

I thought Veeky Forums didn't like us.

>what are nuts

I looked around a few catalogs for a thread with /vegan/i in its OP, and voila, I've found one.

I'm considering going vegan for several reasons:
1. Theoretically it should be cheaper
2. Apparently it's a way to lose weight
3. Apparently the meat industry, specifically beef, is killing the rainforests, and thus accelerating us on a path towards disaster

I am NOT considering being a vegan for these reasons:
1. being peer-pressured. absolutely nobody is
2. animal welfare.

Frankly i don't care about the animals. I care about us - and thus, the deforestation of the amazon, and the over acidification of the oceans due to cow manure runoff into oceans from deltas and creeks

Why is it that every vegan I've ever met gave a shit about animal welfare? Where were the vegans who cared what really matters, the planet? Why didn't I meet a single vegan until recently who even broached a topic apart from animal welfare?

Are there other people out there like me who don't really care about animal welfare but DO care about the serious damage being done to the planet from the agricultural industry?

In case you don't know, anons, in order to feed all the cows in just the United States, we'd have to cover the entire nation in feed farms (alfalfa or whatever it is cows eat). That's why we're deforesting the Amazon jungle at something like an acre a second, it's insane.

Every began I know is at least 30 bmi. Fucking carb city.

Restriction of calories dense sources unless you eat dirty and even then you have to consume more bulk

>I thought Veeky Forums didn't like us.

We don't, but we're not /pol. Our hatred is an informed hatred.

I've mainly changed my diet according to water scarcity, which means I'm /mostly/ vegetarian.

Also fuck almonds.

Cheap as shit to be vegan.

shop.honeyville.com/vital-wheat-gluten.html
shop.honeyville.com/bakers-soy-flour-50lb.html

Mix 3 part Vital Wheat Gluten to 1 part Soy Flour to make it a whole protein. Literally less than $0.007/g of protein in VWG and $0.005 for Soy Flour. With the above mix, comes to ~520 calories and 95g protein.
Lastly, VWG costs $0.17/100 calories and Soy Flour costs $0.84/100 calories as opposed to chicken breast which is $0.40/100 calories and 105g protein/500 calories. Cheaper and better.

Meant $0.084/100 calories for Soy Flour

There's protein in every plant food you retard.

Funny, all the "vegans" I know are fat women.
Bitches aren't probably even really vegan, just claim to be to fit in with the modern fad.

you gotta know what you hate, else you'll just come off as some mis-informed opinionated asshole.

if Veeky Forums understood veganism then they would stop eating animal products.

hmm i kinda want a self depreciating vegan shirt for the gym now

"im not vegan, i just look gay"

or

"i'm not vegan, ive always been weak"

help

dunno man, none of the vegans I know in person have any physique other than "hungry hungry skeletons" or "I've-been-a-vegan-for-a-year-skinnyfat". Not exactly what anybody would want to aim for, is it.

there aren't

oh wait maybe "i'm not vegan, I eat cock" with a rooster picture

shiiiieeee, im sure thats already over played though

> cheaper

If you want cheap foods, just buy cheap foods, don't restrict yourself to vegan foods. It is hard to know if a certain type of diet will end up being as cheap or expensive as you think it is, until you actually try it out. The supplements required in a vegan diet may easily make up for some of the meals being cheaper.

> lose weight

If you want to lose weight, use one of the many methods that are tried and true for losing weight in a healthy way. They will be more effective, faster and healthier than restricting yourself to a type of diet that is not created specifically for losing weight.

almost all high calorie junk food is vegan though. only thing people overeat for meat is ground beef because they use shitty 70/30 for those cheap burgas

then look at body builders rather than regular people? you can make the same arguments for non-vegans.

The post I replied to implied that all vegans are deliberately controlling their diet. That most regular people have neither willpower nor knowledge to control their diet in any meaningful way was clear a priori.

>The supplements required in a vegan diet may easily make up for some of the meals being cheaper.
You don't need to supplement anything other than b12. Next.

>If you want to lose weight, use one of the many methods that are tried and true for losing weight in a healthy way.
Eating less calorie dense foods isn't healthy? Eating less cholesterol and toxin filled food isn't healthy?

Fit merely took a tour of jamestown and left with what they knew about it.

Vegans are the ones who drank the kool-aid.

ah shit it autocorrected to jamestown. crap.

> only need to supplement b12

Yeah, want to get rid of all that fugly muscle-mass ASAP, so better not supplement any kind of high-quality protein sources or anything when cutting on a vegan diet, yuck.

> strawman arguments

there is a lot more to losing weight than that, and there is a lot more to eating healthy than that. There is also a lot more to a vegan diet than that. I can easily conceive somebody creating a vegan diet for themselves that is filled with toxins.

There are books written about how to diet appropriately and how to do it effectively and safely.

If you think some random-ass diet that was in no way created with the intention of losing weight quickly and in a healthy manner can beat diets designed by dieticians and scientists who have studied the subject matter for decades, you're nothing short of deluded.

Also, most vegan diet guides etc you can find online are written with the intention of providing a sustainable vegan diet, and are in no way intended for actual weight-loss in the first place.

In summary:
Get lean with a proper diet, then you can consider a vegan diet, if you want. It's like you're trying to throw a huge pile of scrap into a blender, hoping a fully formed, functioning engine will fall out once you hit the power button. Do one thing at a time actually plan things out, figure out what kind of action provokes what kind of re-action from your body, what your TDEE is, what your workout plan for the coming few months is going to be, and have a talk with your GP. Throwing massive dietary changes at your body will result in all kinds of reactions, and you will end up confused thinking you're losing weight when you're not, gaining weight when you're not, etc.

Right, the people with modern science and physicians on their side are "cultist." Give me a fucking break.

Because veganism is healthy.
>implying

Vegan food doesn't taste very nice so it's hard to binge on it.

Yes. I am vegan and very physically active, probably moreso than most people on Veeky Forums.

>Refugee is Germany's strongest man
Kekked desu

>Iranian-born
>Germany's strongest man

This is very triggering, I need to go back to my containment board ASAP

he actually got the strongest man title before he was a vegan and has not won it again since. 2012 and 2013 he placed 3rd, but after that he didn't come in the top 3 at all.

There's plenty of modern science and physicians that make articles supporting omnivorous lifestyles as well. you vegans just couldn't keep your fuckin traps shut and had to make youtube videos and blog about how "great" your shit doesn't smell.

that's mainly why we hate all of you.

#rekt

>Yeah, want to get rid of all that fugly muscle-mass ASAP, so better not supplement any kind of high-quality protein sources or anything when cutting on a vegan diet, yuck.
So you're a noob that doesn't realize that nutrients like creatine or leucine are synthesized by our own bodies and that you don't need to buy waste products that the fitness industry shills for, huh.

I bet you also buy meme coffee- I mean pre-workouts.

>there is a lot more to losing weight than that, and there is a lot more to eating healthy than that.
No, it's pretty fucking basic. Don't eat foods high in fat, cholesterol, and obesogens, and instead eat a high fiber diet that literally shits out excess fat and estrogen. And drink water.

>If you think some random-ass diet that was in no way created with the intention of losing weight quickly and in a healthy manner can beat diets designed by dieticians and scientists who have studied the subject matter for decades, you're nothing short of deluded.
It wasn't made for weight loss in mind, but it's certainly a adequate diet for weight loss based on pure logic.

Only overweight vegans that I've seen are women. I wouldn't call them fat but they're fat by Veeky Forumss standards

You really shouldn't ask physician for nutritional advice. Ask a nutritionist.

Also they usual recommend a balanced omnivorous diet because people are to lazy or don't have the will power to eat plants only

Cringed

Your body can synthesize almost anything, that's a shitty argument. If you don't have a sufficient intake of protein, you WILL lose LBM while cutting. That's why PSMF et al were created in the first place; read up on the history of PSMF.

Yes, there is a lot more to losing weight than that. Read some of Lyle McDonalds books.

Again, recommending a vegan diet to a newcomer to nutrition is damn stupid. Fatties always already have enough trouble with getting their nutrition under control and understanding how their body reacts to changes in exercise and nutritional patterns. Completely turning everything upside-down will just result in them giving up after a week, because there is too much to manage and they will conclude that it's simply not worth the effort or in their range of possibilities to change their body for the better. They need gradual, managable changes that give quick results to keep them motivated. Starting with the three-substution-rule (substitute three items you eat regularly for healthier alternatives) is usually a good start.

You can go vegan once you have your shit together, it's not a diet suitable for beginners.

>There's plenty of modern science and physicians that make articles supporting omnivorous lifestyles as well.
Then they're funded by industry shills. It's even no longer legal to advertise Eggs as healthy in the U.S. because they're obviously not.

>that's mainly why we hate all of you.
You hate us because the truth makes you feel uncomfortable. You compare us to religious zealots yet you try to cling on to traditional "health" as hard as you can even though new studies are coming out every year that demonstrably show that animal products are not healthy for us and causes damage to the planet. Not to mention unethical and cruel.

Get over it grandpa. "Bacon tho" gives you ass cancer.

oh shit there's two of you in this thread. i forgot they always came in pairs to preach the word.

> the articles that support my opinions are legit, the articles that support other opinions are obviously paid industry shills

mate, I think you have some fundamental misunderstanding of how science works

> Eggs as healthy

"healthy" is pretty meaningless, nothing that has fats or sugars in it is healthy in excess. Eggs obviously have loads of fats and cholesterol -- doesn't mean they are unhealthy in any way. As most people know these days, most cholesterol is produced by your liver, and cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone, hence necessary and beneficial. As long as you stick to the recommended number of eggs/day (1-2) and you're not in the minority of people who are sensitive to dietary cholesterol, you will be perfectly fine using eggs as protein and fat-source.

Also, it's not true that it's not legal to advertise eggs as healthy -- the restriction is merely that it is not allowed when money funding the advertising campaign comes from the American Egg Board, whose funds are government-controlled (and hence ruled strictly).

If you have your own marketing campaign, you can say pretty much whatever you damn well please.

woops, that was meant for

the whole organic and non gmo shilling literally came from your health zealots. like i said before i was very comfortable eating the roided chickens and cows. shit was cheap and i make my gains. vegan companies probably spend more money than regular fucking ones just trashing everyone else view on nutrition.

tldr: stop bothering everyone and just walk your talk. if someone prefers your lifestyle they'll ask you for your fucking advice, stop shitting it down everyone's throat.

Sadly, there's a 100 of you overweight meatheads in here shitposting for no reason at all

oh fuck you. the thread was over 5 posts in, then the vegan defense force came out of the wood work.

A dietitian is what you want, NOT a nutritionist. "Nutritionist" means literally nothing -- I can by law call myself a nutritionist because I've posted on Veeky Forums.

>vegan companies probably spend more money than regular fucking ones just trashing everyone else view on nutrition.

This is unnecessary info.

Also eating obviously roided out chicken is bad for you.youll literally eat the hormones they're getting injected with.

Pro tip: avoid that kind of chicken for maximum liver health.

We're only helping you fatass

but western meat consumption is destroying the planet
if nothing's changed we'll all die

Underrated

I literally don't give a shit because I'm not vegan and I'm not fat. Are you going to try to convince me that I need to be vegan because more non vegan people are fat? It has literally zero effect on me.

Someone who watches what they eat doesn't get fat, vegan or otherwise.

vegan food tastes so bad it's hard to even eat at maintenance.

>Your body can synthesize almost anything, that's a shitty argument.
It's a good argument. Why buy that shit when your body can create it.

>If you don't have a sufficient intake of protein, you WILL lose LBM while cutting.
Then eat tofu, beans, nuts and seeds, tempeh, broccoli, potatoes, etc. Those are leaner and cheaper than any chicken breast, and they don't contain phthalates.

>Again, recommending a vegan diet to a newcomer to nutrition is damn stupid.
Naw, it's pretty easy. You can eat whatever you want on a vegan diet, given it's not made from animal products. It's actually less restrictive than something like keto which requires a mostly fat based diet, and you'd get tired more quickly because you're denying your body it's preferred energy source, carbs.

>. Starting with the three-substution-rule (substitute three items you eat regularly for healthier alternatives) is usually a good start.
For a non-vegan fatty, going from chicken mcnuggets to chicken breast nuggets isn't a huge improvement.

Cows are contributing to greenhouse gasses with their farts. Completely srs. It is affecting you wether you know it or not

Most vegans don't even watch what they eat. They just eat until they get full and they don't get fat.

tell em cardboard's low calorie filler and they'd eat that too.

Says a fatfuck that pasta a veggie

Vegans care about vitamins and minerals. Not about the "low calorie" label. "Vegan" food is basically all low calorie, btw.

Junk food is rather vegan, starches , sugar and oil .

Another retard that thinks vegan = lettuce.

Sad.

> Why buy that shit when your body can create it

Yeah, why eat carbs when your body can create ketones??? lmao

I never said there aren't vegan sources of protein, but to get enough of it to avoid LBM loss (as defined by following e.g. a PSMF programme) you'll have to get 1) quite a lot of it 2) quite a varied spread 3) you'll have to do a good amount of research to figure out a combination that gives you a reasonable protein profile.

So as I said -- will it end up cheaper than a non-vegan diet in the end? You can't really know in advance how it adds up (and it depends on where you live, of course) -- you'll just have to try it out and see, realistically. As you go along, you may figure out that you need a bit more of this and that than you anticipated, that this or that tastes boring without condiment X, ..., changing the final sum.

> You can eat whatever you want

Yeah, excellent recommendation for somebody trying to cut! lmao

> chicken breast nuggets

I have no idea what chicken breast nuggets are. Healthy/low-calorie substitutions are e.g.:

most breakfast cereals -> oats (less sugar, complex carbs, lower calories)
coke -> diet coke (no sugar, lower calories)
candy bar -> apple (lower sugar, lower calories, more functional nutrients)
chicken nuggets -> baked/fried chicken breast (lower fat, lower sugar, lower calories, more protein, less processed)
sweet tea etc -> normal tea (less sugar, less calories)
milk/other kind of drinks that are sugary or fatty -> water/tea (less calories/fats/sugars)
cheese -> low fat cheese (less calories, less fat)
normal yoghurt -> low-fat, non-added-sugar yoghurt, greek yoghurt, "natural" yoghurt without added flavours

etc

>he thinks losing fat calories is smart
The fat satiates and keeps you from craving. Its better than the sugar added to compensate.

severely underrated kek

There are different (equally valid, dietitian-approved) strategies for cutting, it's not one-size-fits-all. The only thing pretty much everyone agrees on is that you gotta get your protons, or you'll lose LBM.

>The eating fat makes you fat meme
>What is lipogenesis

There's tons of fat vegans all over Tumblr. They're actually rather defensive about the fact that they're fat fucks while being vegan.

But they use bone charred sugar, which makes it not vegan.

Because a real vegan actually has to try to not eat meat or dairy. He actually has to think about what they eat and cook it.

They are actively avoiding food while eating tasteless shit.

Fat people are fucking terrible with selecting food. That's why they're fat in the first place. You actually need some willpower to be a vegan pussy and purposefully avoid great food. Fat people lack willpower.

And I very highly doubt tumblr fatties are vegans. Just a way to look morally superior while they gulp down fast food in real life

Look into Starch solutions..

All the vegans I know are fat as fuck. Since there's so much they can't eat, they always need to fill up on the really shit food they CAN eat. This includes fries (a few fast food places do fries vegan, and the vegans are regulars at these places), loads of bread and candy.

I think it would be a lot harder to eat healthy as a vegan, you're not going to eat a big bowl of spinach for dinner and go to bed satisfied.

>objectively lying on the internet

Well since i began a vegan, i have been making gains normally. No less, no more. But the best part for me has been that my sweating has reduced a lot, and im less anxious.

Top kek

so much this
at least one based user in this fucking thread.
veganism needs a really objective monitoring of what the body needs and what one eats. which is what fatties are unable to do, well, which most people are unable to do.
so it's no beginner's diet, exactly.

Only weak faggots who want to fuck up their hormones consume soy.

Come on now
Stop it

Daily Reminder:

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/dutch-and-australian-climbers-die-after-reaching-everest-summit/

>vegans can do anything meat eaters can

stop fucking trollin ffs
this board was trolled for years by
>le dietary raises blood cholestrol is a meme meme

just fuck off, what are you doing with your life?

they can, how does that prove they cant?

>i think meat is magic