Who really won the war in Vietnam?

Who really won the war in Vietnam?

From a military stand point: United States
From a political stand point: North Vietnam
From a political stand point including the treaty that everyone ignores: Nobody because it was broken by North Vietnam.
From a current world point: United States
From a economic stand point: United States

North vietnam achieved its political goals for the conflict to a greater degree than south vietnam or the united states. It's obvious who won.

North Vietnam, Mutts just can't accept loosing

Its a Pyrrhic victory.

Vietnam is shit and is a US ally so US won the war

the USA for killing off lots of boomer scum. thanks vietnam

In what way?

This

>US only lost 50k soldiers
>US managed to kill over a million Viets
>The US wasn't even going total war for it and didn't even invade North Vietnam
How the fuck did they do it?

Vietnam is now the U.S bitch asking for defense against China and is a cheap labor country for it to use to produce clothing.

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decades after the fact. You may as well say that germany is the *real* loser of the franco-prussian war.

this is your brain on American nationalism

*Burns down your village*
Nothing personal, kiddo.

Germany is the real loser for a lot of things

France
>Vietnam is destroyed by the Americans
>No one remembers the utter disaster of the First Indochina War and only thinks about the Americans
>France uses the economic stress of the war to break the American gold dollar monopoly and its exorbitant privilege
only bad thing was that it hurt the French language, but then, South Vietnam was doomed anyway

Many bombs

>From a political stand point including the treaty that everyone ignores: Nobody because it was broken by North Vietnam.
?

The Paris Peace Treaty was a fucking joke and Nixon/Kissinger knew it. The North Vietnamese won.

South Vietnamese were the greatest losers though.

Poland is shit and is a German ally so Germany won WW2.

By this logic, Germany won WW1.

Vietnam was a thorn in the USA’s side and actively supported communist regimes throughout southeast Asia until the post-Cold War period.

tl;dr you are retarded

As user said, more bombs dropped than during the entire Second World War and americans still thought that wasn't enough.

>From a military stand point: United States

They racked up more bodies, but North Vietnam as a political entity survived, and was not occupied. Best you can say is military stalemate.

>Who really won the war in Vietnam?

America.

>they made internal decisions decades later so clearly America won the war

The Vietnamese people.

>they were forced into capitalism after the eastern bloc collapsed directly from america's actions so clearly America lost the war

>the eastern bloc collapsed directly from america's actions

When will this meme die?