Hey Veeky Forums, thoughts on the Mexican Revolution? I did a pretty big paper on it during college. I was particularly interested on how people that came from very little achieved such powerful positions.
Also pretty nuts that 1M people died during the revolution, when the population had been about 15M before it started
and for warfags, General Alvaro Obregon pioneered the use of trenches to defeat cavalry and infantry, but also I remember reading somewhere that he also pioneered the use of foxholes which were really useful in WW2
Also, didn't Patton pioneer the use of machine guns on trucks in the American incursion against Pancho Villa? I heard it in a documentary but don't know if it's actually true?
Josiah Murphy
maybe, but isn't machine gun on a car just useful for small recon teams?
Juan Butler
>General Alvaro Obregon pioneered the use of trenches to defeat cavalry Wohoh Actually, friend, trenches were first used by the Maori against the British in the New Zealand Wars.
Ethan Price
I didn't say he was the first to use them, I said he figured it out
Pioneering the use of something is using something for the first time. If you wanted to say that he came up with the idea of trenches, you could have said that he came up with the idea of trenches.
Jacob Russell
also, obregon was pretty gifted tactician in the conflict, literally only guy who was better was general Felipe Angeles who if I remember correctly got sent before the revolution by the federal army to study in france.
During the Revolution he made Villa's Division of the North the feared army it was, the only reason they got defeated in 1915 was because Villa didn't listen to Angeles advice and got rekt when he sent his strong cavalry units straight into Obregon's trenches and machine gun pits.
aight, blame poor word choice on my part, how about foxholes?
Jayden Thomas
>people that came from very little Pancho Villa was a small-time rancher and died a small-time rancher Emiliano Zapata was an illiterate farmer and died an illiterate farmer Neither of them wanted to depose Porfirio Diaz, they only wanted him to accept their demands After occupying the capital they wandered around in it and eventually returned to their respective states because they had no plan about what to do if the dictatorship ended, they did not want to start a new government but rather to negotiate with the dictatorship Then Carranza was assassinated by Huerta who became president. Finally, Huerta assassinated both Villa and Zapata and pretended they were killed by men loyal to the old dictator Diaz, made them martyrs of the revolution. Huerta did jackshit to start the reforms that were the goal of the rebellions of Villa and Zapata.
Thomas Garcia
>aight, blame poor word choice on my part, how about foxholes? invented by foxes
Thomas Thompson
>Huerta assassinated both Villa and Zapata
You meathead, Zapata, Villa and Carranza fought against Huerta and managed to depose him.
Then Villa and Zapata allied to fight Carranza after Carranza decided not to agree to what was established at the Convention of Aguascalientes
Ryder Young
After Huerta became president and Villa accepted to retire himself from the political scene he was assassinated in his home; several men arrived at his ranch and shot him. Same thing happened to Zapata.
Isaac Sanchez
OK just checked the dates, and it is actually Obregon who likely commanded the execution of both Villa and Zapata.
Joshua Roberts
Carranza then rektd both of them with Obregon in charge of the army. After being defeated, Villa began his raids of the U.S. and Zapata entrenched himself in the state of Morelos.
Carranza then succeeded in assassinating Zapata a couple of years later, but when he refused to back Obregon for the presidency, Obregon and a good chunk of the federal military who were loyal to him, turned on Carranza and killed him as he was trying to escape from the capital to Veracruz.
Obregon gained the presidency, and later passed the batton to his protegee and fellow Sonoran Plutarco Elias Calles. Meanwhile someone had Villa Assassinated in 1923, probably the government as Villa had expressed support in a newspaper interview to a Obregonista who wasn't backed for President by Obregon.
Obregon successfully and unconstitutionally won a re-election after Calles term was done and got shot a lot and died while celebrating at a restaurant in Mexico City.
Calles decided to end the era of Caudillos and laid down the foundations for the perfect dictatorship of the PRN/PRM/PRI that laster from the late 1920s to 2000
Levi Jenkins
and the point in all of this is that the mexican revolution did not serve the people but rather was just a change of elites
Zachary King
yup, new elites tho that arose from a shitty northern state and who grew up and shit conditions and only got ahead because for one reason or another they managed to become literate as kids
Alexander Young
Another cool part to the Revolution was the Cristero war.
The federal government literally persecuted the catholic church in order to loosen their grip on the populace. A bunch of more people died because Mexico was at the time stupidly catholic, still is
Mason Davis
you sound like a fucking pro-spanish republica apologist
By the time, Mexico was plagued by that kind of feeling and that's why they threw money to the spanish anarchists, socialists and communists
Mason Walker
Oh no user, I am very catholic, maybe not Deus Vult Catholic, but Catholic non the less.
Hell the problem in the country is all the fucking evangelists. They steal just as much as the church
Eli Murphy
Obregon was born to a land-owning middle-class people. He might have lost his father at an early age and might not have been rich, but he was not poor either. Madero was born to rich parents. Carranza was born to a respectable military family. Calles was also born to a gilded cradle, his father owned mines and shit. The only one who qualifies as being born to shitty conditions were Huerta, Zapata, and Villa and the latter two didn't actually accomplish their revolutionary goals.
Isaac Gutierrez
>Carranza was born to a respectable military family.
carranza was more directly tied to the old elite and jumped ship cause muh governorship
