Why didn't Poland give up Danzig?

That's in the Danzig corridor, it's part of the area Hitler wanted, it's why I used ports plural

>why did the poles not want to get bolivaed?

>Danzig corridor
No such thing.

Well considering Germany wanted to build a state owned fucking highway through it I'd say it was pretty real

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor
>The Polish Corridor (German: Polnischer Korridor; Polish: Pomorze, Korytarz polski), also known as Danzig Corridor, Corridor to the Sea or Gdańsk Corridor, was a territory located in the region of Pomerelia (Pomeranian Voivodeship, eastern Pomerania, formerly part of West Prussia), which provided the Second Republic of Poland (1920–1939) with access to the Baltic Sea, thus dividing the bulk of Germany from the province of East Prussia. The Free City of Danzig (now the Polish city of Gdańsk) was separate from both Poland and Germany.
Dumbass

cuck

cuck

>gets BTFO for lack of historical knowledge
>resorts to trite /pol/ buzzwords
Like pottery

But this thread is not about giving up the corridor, it's about giving up Danzig

cuck

You sure showed him.

How can the Poles give up something that isn't theirs?

Prussia was not Germany. Prussia had their own language and independent culture.

Isnt the world a magical place

They had sovereignty over it

You really don't understand the terms that were being asked do you? In the last round of negotiations before the war Germany wanted extraterritorial rights for a highway and railway that would cut the Polish off from the Baltic and make them completely reliant on Germany, why would Hitler suddenly relent and only want Danzig

>t. Cuck

No, they didn't

>They had a customs union and that means sovereignty!
Retard alert

no they didn't

It always tickles my fancy that people who seem to slavishly worship authority and buy 70+ year old Nazi propaganda are the ones going around calling people cucks.

He probably would have relented for a couple of months if that was all that he was given, those months would have been to Polands advantage

How do you figure that?

No. A year earlier the Czechs agreed to concessions, Hitler’s response was to immediately up his demands. He wouldn’t have backed off

The invasion of Czechoslovakia was delayed by several months thanks to those concessions...

I wasn’t talking about that, I meant in September when Chamberlain said Hitler could have what he wanted when they met at the Berghof, but then Hitler demanded more when they met again at Godesberg a week later

It was delayed because it was piss easy to invade it when all its border defences were already controlled

>In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity

So Poland controlled the League of Nations? All this time it's International Polandry that's controlled the world

Yeah, he was a greedy cunt, but he still waited several months to act on his upped demands

And Poland did not have “supreme political control” over Danzig

The League of Nations had sovereignty over jack shit

They had over external affairs, not internal

That’s wrong though. Berghof was September 15, Godesberg September 22, Munich September 29, occupation of Sudetenland October 1

>Unlike Mandatory territories, which were entrusted to member countries, the Free City of Danzig (like the Territory of the Saar Basin) remained directly under the authority of the League of Nations. Representatives of various countries took on the role of High Commissioner
>Directly under the authority
>Directly
lol

And the occupation of Prague happened in March, it would have happened in like November if it weren't for Munich treaty

Yes, the point is the Poles agreeing to giving over Danzig would not have delayed things by months on its own, the Czechs has to agree not just to Hitler’s original demands, but his upped ones as well just to get a few more months. The equivalent for Poland wouldn’t be just Danzig, but the whole corridor as well

Maybe you're right but it wouldn't have hurt to give it up

Actually most if not all of Hitlers offers respected the need for Poland to have access to the sea, so poland would have kept Gdynia and would have been allowed a highway to connect it.
Of course that doesn't mean invading when the offer is refused is okay.

>both countries should have a borderless highway through the same territory
How the fuck was that supposed to work?

Because Danzig was a free country?

cuck

t. retard

*free empire

No it wasn't

incorrect

Traditionally Polish city. Perhaps Poles shouldn't bother with it at that particular point in time because most people living there were German.
But why do you care? This city wasn't the reason the war broke out.

And the "corridor" was originally a Polish idea.
Huh. It's almost as if the reason for WWII were political plans of Hitler and Stalin and Poland's refusal ro cooperate with Germany.

>coopoerating with the judeog*rman

Explain why then

>Traditionally Polish city
Not true, it was ethnically german during the commonwealth days

Germany never wanted to cooperate with Poland.Hitler always said he wants to destroy it, and as early as 1937 German secret services were preparing lists of Poles to murder after invasion

It wouldn't change a thing. Hitler's real demand was cooperation against the Soviet Union.

According to the Hossbach Memorandum he only wanted it to be neutral in case of a war against France. No doubt he had plans for war but German government really had a diplomatic campaign in Poland that ended with the Anglo-Polish treaty in April 1939 which we know is when Hitler decided to attack Poland. It can't be a coincidence.

We wuzzing won't change the fact that it's been Polish like three times as long as it was German and although it was multicultural it was also a trade city and the limited government of Commonwealth was much more attractive for business.

Why were Germans so autistic about having control of Danzig and connecting Prussia and Brandenburg? But back then, before cars were a thing that everybody could afford, wouldn't travel by sea between the two areas be much more convenient? They couldn't have set up a public ferry service or something? I can't see the benefits to having it besides cucking Poland out of sea access.

but germans during commonwealth day never wanted to be worse than poles and were always culturally influenced by them
during one of rebellions over (((taxes))) german leader wrote on his armor phrase commonly used by polish nobles in golden letters (aurea liberta)

It was just a pretext. And Poles were just sentimental because it was their city historically even though after WWI it was mostly populated by Germans.

>Which is exactly why they would lose nothing by giving it up

hey retard, it wasnt theres to give up. As in, Hitler didnt ask Poland to give it to him, nor did Hitler deny it from him since it wasnt their land. Hitler wanted the polish corridor. fucking dumbass stormfags I cant fucking stand them anymore. Like how the FUCK are people this fucking stupid holy shit. Youre a glass sorting mongoloid

>According to the Hossbach Memorandum he only wanted it to be neutral in case of a war against France.

Only to conquer it later and destroy the country and its people.He mentioned this numerous times.

>in April 1939 which we know is when Hitler decided to attack Poland
He stated as early as 1921 that Poland needs to be destroyed, preperations for genocide of Poles were being made as early as 1937

>Polish troops were not even allowed in Danzig

Literally where the first battle of WWII took place.

He wanted it but looks like it wasn't really the reason behind the conflict. In the 20s and 30s Poles had the idea for the Polish corridor and influential engineer count Stefan Tyszkiewicz informed the German side about it.

>In the 20s and 30s Poles had the idea for the Polish corridor and influential engineer count Stefan Tyszkiewicz informed the German side about it.

Wrong. Tyszkiewicz was a private engineer who wanted to build a elavated highway that could be "demolished with click of a button", not corridor which was completely different idea of taking a strip of land

>first battle
More like skirmish

A seven day long siege.

>before cars were a thing that everybody could afford
But the idea was that every German would be able to afford it, that was why Volkswagen (peoples car) was created.

>Literally where the first battle of WWII took place.
Wrong. It was Krauts bombing the Wielun.

It wasn't a battle. It was a civilian target with zero military presence. The msot cowardly way to start a war.

>Traditionally Polish city
Nope. Traditionally German city as part of the hanseatic league with a majority German population even before the Commonwealth existed.
Eastern Prussia being disconnected from the rest of German was a big economic problem for that region.

Gdańsk was a Polish city. Yes, many Germans settled there but originally it was a Polish city.

Not even that. Originally that area was settled by Germanic Goths. So Poles had even less of a claim to that town with barely any connection to Poles besides having pissed there once.

The name of the settlement is Slavic. The city was founded by a Polish king and the majority of people living there were Poles until the Teutonic Knights massacred the local population.

>why didnt Poland give up a city they didnt own
fucking wehraboos lmao

Even the name is Slavic with the German one being only a later version based on the latin name.
The earliest mention comes from 997.

>The name of the settlement is Slavic
Many reclaimed German cities have Slavic names.
>and the majority of people living there were Poles until the Teutonic Knights massacred the local population.
No such thing ever happened. It's just an invention of Polish nationalists as legitimization to steal the city from the native German population.

And it's not like you need to spend a lot of time on this. It's always coming from people who don't live there and don't know its history.

Are you trying to legitimize the reason behind Germany's invasion of Poland?

An already legitimate thing does not need to be legitimized.

>It's always coming from people who don't live there
All people that live in Danzig have no right to, they all came there after 1945 and have no historical connection to the city and are not the ones that made the city

>No such thing ever happened.
That happened in 1308.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_takeover_of_Danzig_(Gdańsk)

I don't know what's the point in trying to claim another country's city for your own (unless you're not German which is highly likely because Veeky Forums is full of German advocates). Don't worry we all agree that Germans were very influential in the history of Gdansk. And the Dutch. In fact the "Polish Nelson" was actually a Dutch sailor named Arend Dickmann. Many Germans and Dutch served Polish monarchy so they also did their bit. Much appreciated. Though in the 18th century when the Commonwealth was weak the United Provinces actually had the economic influence in the city.

Yeah I think Germans gave up on their claims to the city by their own actions. My family is from Pomerania and not Gdańsk itself but there are many people who's been here forever. Of course it wasn't easy since Poles were oppressed there even before the war and after it broke out many were sent to Stutthoff especially if they were members of the local elite.

>That happened in 1308.
16 knights barely make a massacre.
>Veeky Forums is full of German advocates
Veeky Forums is full of Americans who have their believes about the second world war from Hollywood movies
>Don't worry we all agree that Germans were very influential in the history of Gdansk. And the Dutch
Dutch people and German people barely have any difference, Northern Germans and Dutch people have probably less difference than Northern Germans and Thuringians or other
>My family is from Pomerania and not Gdańsk
So you are in a foreign city that was German for 600 years and in the middle of the 17th century even the largest among German cities (before Vienna that replaced it) because you were in a village that happened to be nearby it - but don't think it was the village it was before it was a hanseatic town or had anything to do with it when Poles expelled the native population.

By 1945 Gdansk/Danzig was definitely German. Even today the city feels very German. But this is irrelevant. The most important thing is the fact that it was the Germans who started this war and who committed countless crimes against the Polish population.

>when Poles expelled the native population
They could have murder all of you instead. You should be glad they weren't as cruel and evil as the Nazis.

This. However, say it's as German as you want but that doesn't give the Germans the right to simply seize it from the Poles. The Germans don't have the right to do that and paid for it.

It becomes especially unjustified given hindsight. The atrocities committed against the Polish people are staggering.

>the first battle of WWII
300-400 dead or wounded nazis

30 dead Poles

>baaaw, muh Danzig
>meanwhile in Warsaw

>In 1944, after the collapse of the Warsaw Uprising, when hostilities had already ceased, the Germans blew up the Castle's demolished walls.[16]
>le German culture

>So you are in a foreign city that was German for 600 years and in the middle of the 17th century even the largest among German cities
I'm a native in a Polish city. Germans never had it for more than a century. The fact that a lot of Germans and Dutch were living there doesn't really change anything and isn't a reason to falsify its political traditions. Might as well say that Gdansk is Jewish and belongs to Israel.

>le German culture
Especially visible in towns like Breslau, Stettin and Danzig if you visit them.

Well Gdansk was also devastated and this is how they decided to say goodbye to this city forever.
There's really just something frustrating about German apologists claiming to know the history of a city they never visited and can't even point on the map. As it turned out, despite the interval between 19th century and early 20th century the story of this city is bookended differently.

The old city literally looks like any other done in the same style in this time. We wuzzing doesn't work here.