Was he the good guy?

Was he the good guy?

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The underdog is always the good guy

He wasn't. Now please stop making this thread over and over again.

>back to lefty pol

>belligerent asshole in foreign relations, made everyone hate him

>war monger who believed in the idea that war makes a nation stronger

>these two things led to him starting the bloodiest war in human history

>on top of it all, losses said war despite his idea that his political philosophy would make him stronger than the decadent democratic countries or the jew infested corrupted communist ones

>petty asshole who continued the war despite knowing it was lost, forcing his people into a meat grinder just to punish them for failing to accomplish his impossible dream which he fucked up himself due to his bad politicing

>was such an asshole that America and UK, who mad it their mission to stomp out communism to the point of actually supporting earlier fascist regimes, ended up allying with the USSR against Hitler

>mass murdering genocidal maniac as well

>basically fucked up everything and was such an arrogant, narcissistic piece of shit, he blamed everyone but himself and then cried about it like hes the victim in all of it, like every narcissistic faggot does

>his legacy is only belligerent low IQ racist who he most likely would have hated LARPing as him

no, he was not a good guy at all

Yes.

>I believe 100 percent with complete and utter confidence what the history channel says

Did he have the assburgers?

put some effort in your posting or fuck off back to /pol/

i too have seen the greatest story never told, praise kek!!! shadilay!

>the history channel

its really telling of you that you think the history channel is where people get history from. And its also projecting on your part since you read citionless neo-nazi blogs and take everything they say at face value without question, noticeable by your complete lack of any actual counter argument.

In fact, I noticed this is how you guys behave. You want to think Hitler was great, but you lack the ability to form any argument as to why since you dont actually study history or have the discipline to do your own homework, so you just throw out vague threads like this "Hitler was good!" hoping that people who actually do know what they are talking about help you by justing filling in all the holes in your theory with stuff you want to hear. Then when they actually do the opposite and tell you the truth, you get mad at them instead of just realizing your preconceived idea was wrong

This

>literally thinks Hitler was a bloodthristy monsters exactly as propaganda portrays him stop

Your either a leftist or gullible.

Way too good of a public speaker and manipulator. I think he had an avoidant or anti-social personality disorder.

Not him, but how about you try actually arguing against one of the specific points he made here: , using evidence and logic?

But you had no argument yourself. You just said HITLER WAS EVIL in 10 different ways with zero sources or evidence to back it up. You can tell you have a dog in this race by just how aggressive you are though. You are just straight up believing the official story without questioning it in the slightest, which shows you don't really care for the truth.

I'd certainly like the posters praising this socialist to go to /leftypol/ :^)

>accuses others of being gullible
>literally falls for Nazi propaganda from over half a century ago
>defends Hitler
Really activates my almonds.

>still falls for propaganda with access to the free access to the internet

>You just said HITLER WAS EVIL in 10 different ways
No he didn't. Are you barely literate or something?

>Hitler was bad
>Hitler was bad
>Hitler was bad

Thats all he did. If he had of said

>Hitler was known to bash kittens to death

It would of achieve the same purpose.

I laid out specific reason why Hitler wasnt a good person. You have no actual argument against it which is why you, like every other neo-nazi when put to task, is shucking and jiving

I never said the words "hitler was bad" at all. Why do you feel the need to lie and shitpost after I answered your question? Is it because you have no actual argument?

>you dont believe in this neo-nazi revisonism? lol youre gullible!

amazing

>still falls for 70 year old propaganda with free access to the internet

>don’t you see? These jpegs and YouTube videos clearly prove that Hitler was actually the greatest world leader of all time!!!!!!!
Why do you even bother posting? You’re only digging your grave deeper.

>Thats all he did.
That's not all he did, though. He made a number of very specific claims about Hitler. You've failed to argue against a single one of them.

>handing out (you)s to stormkiddies
Just ignore him

>belligerent asshole in foreign relations, made everyone hate him
Literal child level peer pressure tactics

>war monger who believed in the idea that war makes a nation stronger
It does you imbecile ever head of a war economy? Ever see how any empire in History was established? Strong people aren't bred from sitting around eating tofu all day. Not to mention he wasn't a war monger, he seeked the destruction of communism and the unification of the Germanic people, Lebensraum being incorporated into this.

>these two things led to him starting the bloodiest war in human history
Britain and France declared war and refuse to have a peace treaty.

>on top of it all, losses said war despite his idea that his political philosophy would make him stronger than the decadent democratic countries or the jew infested corrupted communist ones
Losses said war against the most powerful forces and nations on the planet while he had one nation (yeah he had a few backwaters who helped him) that was just destroyed after the first great war.

>petty asshole who continued the war despite knowing it was lost, forcing his people into a meat grinder just to punish them for failing to accomplish his impossible dream which he fucked up himself due to his bad politicing
You realize that was the last fucking hope for Germany? It was surrender unconditionally, would the British, Americans or Soviets surrender?


>was such an asshole that America and UK, who mad it their mission to stomp out communism to the point of actually supporting earlier fascist regimes, ended up allying with the USSR against Hitler
Funny how Hitler literally pleaded with them, even made an anti-soviet pact with Pilsudski, until he died and Poland turn against him. Even during the war he gave Britian numerous chances to join him against Communism.

>mass murdering genocidal maniac as well
MUH JOOOOOOS Holocaust is one of the most flawed stories in history.

>basically fucked up everything and was such an arrogant, narcissistic piece of shit, he blamed everyone but himself and then cried about it like hes the victim in all of it, like every narcissistic faggot does
>his legacy is only belligerent low IQ racist who he most likely would have hated LARPing as him

Not even an argument here, just flat out insults showing the obvious bias.

>Britain and France declared war and refuse to have a peace treaty

>stormkiddies
the preferred term is Stormanlets

I see you only read half of my reply and thought a meme would do the job of an argument.

>France and Britain declared war
>reeeeee muh holohoax
LMAOing at your life tbqh famalam

Hope springs eternal... I always think I might be able to get one to see the light occasionally.

I see the tables have turned and now YOU have no argument.

>he wasn't a war monger
The key idea behind Nazism is survival of the fittest. It's literally the most violent aspects of social darwinism in an ideological form.

???

An argument isn’t required when your entire post is an unintentional joke at your own expense.

Survival of the fittest doesn't imply you are war monger, it implies when you need to survive you do what have to. Hitler's main goal was to breed a new race within the territory of Lebensraum.

Ahhhhhhh-you stoopid

You faggots do backflips when suddenly you can't argue back. You'd be better of to just stop replying and not further embarrass yourself.

Except for the fact that Britain and France issued an ultimatum for Germany to leave Poland. Germany failed to do so and France and Britain honored their pact with Poland.

>Literal child level peer pressure tactics

not an argument

>It does you imbecile ever head of a war economy?

you just agreed with me

>Britain and France declared war and refuse to have a peace treaty.

...After Hitler invaded Poland (who he had a nonagression pact with) and after Britain and France made numerous concession to him in the 30s which he constantly disregarded the moment it benefited him. This goes back to my being a belligerent asshole point

>Losses said war against the most powerful forces and nations on the planet

you cant claim youre the biggest baddest dude on the playground, challenge others to a fight, get your ass kicked and then whine about it being unfair. War isnt fair you child, Hitler sure didnt have a problem with bullying around weaker nations like Poland, Denmark, or Lithuania before that.

>You realize that was the last fucking hope for Germany?

Their last hope was to lead them into needless slaughter?

>Funny how Hitler literally pleaded with them, even made an anti-soviet pact with Pilsudski, until he died and Poland turn against him. Even during the war he gave Britian numerous chances to join him against Communism.

refer to a few point up user. Britiain is the one who made concession, not the other way around. And Hitler shat on all of them. Also, he fucked over Poland WITH the USSR just because they wouldnt give him a chunk of their newly formed country. After he had made it known that he would ask for an inch and take a mile and would bully weaker nations into submission. back to the belligerent asshole

>MUH JOOOOOOS

very compelling argument. Good job making an ass out of not only yourself, but everyone else who worships Hitler

And Germany Issued an ultimatum for Poland to hand over Danzig. Who was right?

>what, Britain and France are honoring their treaty obligations to help defend Poland against Nazi aggression? What a bunch of warmongers!
What’s it like living in a reality of pure ideology?

Arguing with you is pointless, as Sartre pointed out, your position is one of passion, not reason. So making fun of you provides catharsis for me, while frustrating you, since you crave to be taken seriously, a craving which I refuse to indulge.

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>What’s it like living in a reality of pure ideology
>what, Britain and France are honoring
>honoring

Poland and Britain obviously. Are you retarded?

The Poles. You think after all the disregarded treaties the Germans pulled out of their ass they would have stopped with Danzig?

Besides, why should the Poles have to hand over their territory?

>Literal child level peer pressure tactics
Not sure what you mean, but let's look at reality. Britain and France did not want war. They did a lot to avoid it. Hitler seized Czechoslovakia, violating the already generous terms of the Munich agreement. He made it impossible for others to trust his word. None of this is seriously disputable.
>It does you imbecile ever head of a war economy? Ever see how any empire in History was established? Strong people aren't bred from sitting around eating tofu all day. Not to mention he wasn't a war monger, he seeked the destruction of communism and the unification of the Germanic people, Lebensraum being incorporated into this.
So... you agree with his point 100%? That's what I'm getting from your answer to it. You're basically saying "Yes, Hitler was a war monger. But it's good to be a war monger." But then you seem to criticize Britain and France for waging war? I don't get it.
>Britain and France declared war and refuse to have a peace treaty.
Why would they sign a peace treaty with a regime which had proven, by invading Czechoslovakia, sneak-attacking Poland, and so on, that it regarded diplomacy as nothing other than cover for military aggression? Britain gave Hitler an ultimatum on September 3, 1939, telling him that unless he cancelled the invasion of Poland a state of war would exist between Britain and Germany. They literally gave Hitler a chance to avoid the war! He didn't take it.
>Losses said war against the most powerful forces and nations on the planet while he had one nation (yeah he had a few backwaters who helped him) that was just destroyed after the first great war.
So again, you seem to be agreeing with his point... you'll have to agree, right, that Hitler was a shit statesman. He got his nation into an almost unwinnable war even though he could have avoided it (see point above)!

>He accepts this face value

>Britain and France honor their deal with Hitler to let him rebuild his military as long as he doesnt use it in an act of aggression

>Britain and France let it slide when he goes back on this deal and reoccupies the rhineland

>Britain and France look the other way when he annexxes Austria

>Britain and France convene a meeting of europoor leaders to GIVE Hitler the Sudetenland on the promise he ends his hostile foreign policy

>Britain and France look the other way as he continue to strong arm Lithuania out of terrirtory, once again going back on his word

>Hitler invades Poland (who he had a non-agression pact with) with the USSR

>Hitler then invades the USSR, who he also had a non-aggression pact with

Its almost as if Hitler had built a reputation of being a belligerent war mongering asshole who constantly goes back on his word, meaning only a fucking idiot would trust him

Germany did invade Poland user. Are you really this fucking stupid?

Cont.
>You realize that was the last fucking hope for Germany? It was surrender unconditionally, would the British, Americans or Soviets surrender?
It was either hold out for a 1/10000 miracle, or surrender unconditionally and save a few million lives. Hitler chose the former. Not sure why that's supposed to be the right decision according to you. The chance of winning the war was tiny at any point after it began, even smaller after 1941, laughably small after 1942.
>Funny how Hitler literally pleaded with them, even made an anti-soviet pact with Pilsudski, until he died and Poland turn against him. Even during the war he gave Britian numerous chances to join him against Communism.
So yet again, you agree with his point. Now, here's the thing you don't seem to understand. Britain and France did not want war before 1939. They tried hard to avoid it! Their publics were still war-weary from WW1. By being a better diplomat, Hitler could have potentially formed an anti-Soviet alliance with Britain and France. It was Hitler's own diplomatic incompetence and desire for conquest that prevented this from being possible. Not Pilsudski dying or any such thing. Hitler's shit statesmanship alienated Germany from having any real chance at being part of an anti-Communist alliance.
>MUH JOOOOOOS Holocaust is one of the most flawed stories in history.
Why, because you read some stormtard infographs?

>3730310
>not an argument
Neither was the original post other then >people not like him

>It does you imbecile ever head of a war economy?
Only problem is Germany wasn't in a war economy until 1943

>...After Hitler invaded Poland (who he had a nonagression pact with) and after Britain and France made numerous concession to him in the 30s which he constantly disregarded the moment it benefited him. This goes back to my being a belligerent asshole point
So why was right - Germany for invading Poland for not agreeing to their ultimatum or the British and French for invading Germany for not obeying theirs who then allowed the Soviets to take it freely and who ended up losing far more then Poland was worth and yet still would not surrender.

>you cant claim youre the biggest baddest dude on the playground, challenge others to a fight, get your ass kicked and then whine about it being unfair. War isnt fair you child, Hitler sure didnt have a problem with bullying around weaker nations like Poland, Denmark, or Lithuania before that.
But he didn't only people he challenged to a fight were Poland and Soviet Union, and what Germany achieved against them all was incredible, only a complete moron would deny the military genius of Germany during the war.

>Their last hope was to lead them into needless slaughter?
Or what surrender and have worst conditions put upon them then Versailles? The British also vowed to never surrender, the Americans and Soviets as well. A person like you might have no sense of sacrifice or a morale stand, but some people do, including the Allies.

Why not?

It's not as if Germany was saving Europe from the Polish war machine. Poland was a threat to nobody.

Or are you implying that Poland was never invaded in the first place? OR are you going to pull something meme tier on me and say that the Poles were massacring thousands of ethnic Germans in events like the Danzig Massacre?

It was a counterattack, user. Hitler thought the Poles were ready to invade Germany and luckily crushed them before they could invade. He saved Germany in her our of need.

Hmm... let's see, on the one hand we have an ultimatum that says "stop invading that place", on the other hand we have an ultimatum that says "give us that land". Yeah, totally equivalent. Of course.

>>people not like him

The reason they didnt like him is because he was a violent bully in foreign relations who strong armed countries weaker than him. He also constantly bucked to the authority of France and Britian who to avoid war, made concessions to the point of just giving him everything he asked for in the hopes that he would calm down.

Its interesting at how belligerent and pig headed you yourself behave in situations and discussions like this. constantly trying to shitpost and intimidate others

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>And Germany Issued an ultimatum for Poland to hand over Danzig.

No they didn't. The ultimatum was just broadcast over the radio and never actually presented to any Polish representative.

And it was just a misdirection since the orders were already given and the invasion was underway when the broadcasts happened.

So I'd wager they weren't in the right.

>Hitler thought the Poles were ready to invade Germany and luckily crushed them before they could invade.

no, it was a land grab that hitler justified with a false flag attack from the SS in "Operation Himmler" to radio towers which literally no one believed due to his past of being a fucking asshole. Stop being retarded

That guys was a real jerk.

thanks norm

>Neither was the original post other then
Yes it was, however it for understanding it you must have better education than the American one. For starters we have the Anshluss, occupation of Czechoslovakia, annexation of Memel, R-M pact and following betrayal of Stalin, betrayal of Ukrainian nationalists, invasion of Greece, Operation Panzerfaust, Cephalonia Massacre or various massacres against their Slovaks.

>Only problem is Germany wasn't in a war economy until 1943
Only due to their inefficiency. Even before the war, economy was running on massive deficit to prepare Germany to war.

>So why was right - Germany for invading Poland for not agreeing to their ultimatum or the British and French for invading Germany for not obeying theirs
It's pretty simple, Nazi ultimatum was "gibsmedat or war", British ultimatum was "stop killing people or die". The rest won't be adressed because it's fucking retarded.

>But he didn't only people he challenged to a fight were Poland and Soviet Union
And Yugoslavia, Denmark, Norway, the low countries, Czechoslovakia (which surrendered and later was betrayed) and probably some others too.

>only a complete moron would deny the military genius of Germany during the war.
Nah, the "incredible" operation was Fall Gelb.

>Or what surrender and have worst conditions put upon them then Versailles?
Surrender to what? Hitler wasn't under threat.

>stormfaggots now literally unsure if Germany invanded Poland
the state of Veeky Forums

No brah, Germany was legitimately invading Poland to stop the Poles from massacring the 66 trillion ethic Germans in Poland. Completely fucking justified.

ja

The part that they are not telling was that Poles invaded Germany and no, I'm not talking about Gleiwitz, Poles attacked Germany non provocaciantvr and killed many civilians before Wermacht could act. National socilaists however kept scale of the invasion secret not to ignite vnnecesery ire against Poles and Slavs in general (Germany had many well-treated Slavic minorities) and (((allies))) obviovsly cvt this part too, since it fits into their brainwasink programe.

You can trvst me, I have PhD. in hisotyr I know history better than yov sad victims of Semitic conditioning. I have seen studied it in secret archive in Germany.

Kek

>He saved Germany in her our of need

He sure did save Germany from Poland by plunging the country into a war that killed more Germans and hurt the country more than the Polish could ever hope to achieve in their naughtiest dreams

Stormfags are the gift that keeps on giving, I swear. It's their destiny to be seen as retards by everyone around them and yet they'll continue to blame DA JOOS for all their troubles and not the fact that they're all morons.

Keep staying mad because someone questions biased history.

It's not revisionism.

This.

I'm currently watching a guy in another thread argue that Danzig was a German city and that the Germans were entirely justified in invading Poland to take it back.

Sorry then, "lying".

Learn to read troglodyte

Yes it is mouth breather

>humiliate Revanchist France
I don't like him but you have to agree the frogs ask for it
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No one bad ever loved animals.

What I find particularly interesting is how effect the aesthetics of the Nazi regime were to still inspire a sense of belonging and power in people today. Nazi Germany was by most accounts pretty shitty, cost of living soared above wages, an economy that functioned by ad hoc corruption to get around restrictive state decrees for every matter, rule of law was practically nonexistent and replaced with the arbitrary whims of the state and its agents, extreme government censorship and a pervasive fear that one could be made to disappear for anything or nothing at all.

But the massive rallies and pageants seem to induce a kind of yearning in people like they missed out on serving a noble higher purpose.

>But the massive rallies and pageants seem to induce a kind of yearning in people like they missed out on serving a noble higher purpose.

Yea, massive rallies are uniquelly nazi thing.

>if you don't immediately hand over what a bully wants, it's your fault when he attacks you

Further proof that stormtards are just white niggers.

I find it very interesting as well.
I think that part of the appeal is the ecstatic sense of standing out from everyday, mundane reality that one gets in all politically charged moments, not just ones having to do with authoritarian propaganda events (for example, I think the people sitting at Tahrir Square probably felt this ecstatic thrill).
Another part is a longing that people who have little inside themselves sometimes feel, a longing to submerge themselves in identification with the mass and thereby get rid of their individual worries and fears. "It is not I who dies, it is only a small piece of the race who dies" (and secretly, therefore, I do not really die!) In this regard I follow many of Ernst Becker's analyses.
I myself have never felt any attraction to such totalitarian pageantry. My study of history has given me too much cynicism to ever believe even for a split second in the promises or motives of the people who would put on such shows. But even before I studied history, I think I rejected such things. I remember that when I was in high school, I always hated attending mandatory rallies in the auditorium, when people would cheer slogans for "our" sports teams and so on. I don't want to submerge myself in the mass. I like myself, and I like spending time with myself. I like spending a lot of time alone. I like modern capitalist alienation, the freedom associated with it. I like not being part of a tight-knit community with its gossip and tawdriness.
But, it seems, a good number of people are drawn to crowd emotions with their hysteria and foolishness.
And of course, the Nazis had a striking sense of style.

No Jews were gassed in the Holocaust. Hitler did nothing wrong. The war could have been avoided, but Britain and France spilled the blood of their countrymen to stop an attack that was going in the opposite direction of their borders because of material and political pressures from wealthy cosmopolitan bankrollers.

The more important question you fucking dimwits need to address is why Hitler and the NSDAP felt the need to do what they did. What conditions prompted such a response, etc. I doubt many of you have studied Weimar Germany. Read a book you mongrel subhumans.

Don't worry OP, you're very based and you are awake to the JQ unlike these cucks on here. I thought Veeky Forums was /pol/, I guess you aren't. I guess you're all leddit cucks.

No he gassed 6 million jews, not really a good guy. this isnt /pol/

yes. i say this only because he has a lot of pictures of him with cute animals and that story about the furher cakes. churchill was just a grumpy alcoholic, fdr was a half-man, and stalin comes close, but not quite as good.

>The war could have been avoided, but Britain and France spilled the blood of their countrymen to stop an attack that was going in the opposite direction

Do you seriously believe this? Hitler was ignoring treaty after treaty and every time appeasement was tried he simply moved onto his next target for annexation. If war hadn't been declared over Poland and they'd simply decided to warn him not to invade another country the process would have repeated over again.

All France and Britain did with their declaration was start the war earlier than ever.

Dumb cuck

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Yes this. He was trash who saw himself as gold.

He's was too good. Should have used nerve gas and and the atomic bomb (which was at his disposal but later dismissed for the same reasons as gas)

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>1936

Then he proceeded to bully the fuck out of all weaker nations, buck to the authority of stronger nations, invade Poland and Czechoslovakia, and piss on every single agreement he made with european leaders

>singlehandedly responsible for the most white deaths in history
>somehow seen as their savior by stormfags

Really makes you think

do u thinj hitle would b my dad

I can't wait til altrighters finally realize this and the infighting starts.

>war monger who believed in the idea that war makes a nation stronger

A militarized nation is a disciplined, unified nation.

no, but he suffered a lot and i understand him

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(plz don't hate)