How uncivilized was Northern Europe before the Romans?

Snownigger propaganda

No but it did have similar (albeit smaller and far less urbanised) settlements

By the time they "overthrew" the romans they had been trained in roman warfare and technology for centuries, heck many even served in the Roman military as auxiliaries.

cozy

The pictures are from the Bibracte museum in France, they have a lot of other intseresting things there, like this iron age pottery atelier reconstruction.

Pre-Roman Britain is generally thought to have been the bottom of the barrel in terms of how primitive it was. France was somewhat civilized but Britain was not.

Germany was extremely uncivilized when the Romans first contacted them. After they were in contact with Rome for a while Germany got better. By the time they were invading Rome in the 300s Germans were not completely uncivilized barbarians like they had been 200 years earlier.

The Celts were semi-civilized, the Germans were savage tribals.

t. Julius Caesar

Celts were tribal too

>Was it really as bad as sub-Saharan Africa was when the Arabs and Europeans first contacted them?
I wouldn't say so. When I was a kid we went on a school trip to a reconstruction of a belgae village and the houses were actually pretty big. It's been a while but I believe they also had stuff like stables and indoor pens for chickens and even cows. When I went to africa a couple of years ago they showed me tiny mud hutts people lived in. The belgae houses were definetely a lot more elaborate, though it's possible I only saw the ones the chiefs lived or something.

They had the same level of technology (iron, carpentry, stone carving, navigation etc...) but were rather "feral" due to their isolation and sparse population.

>Germany was extremely uncivilized when the Romans first contacted them
No, they were very advanced since they had most of the tech Italics did when they conquered the Italian peninsula from Etruscans.

They couldn't read or write. Pathetic.

Caesar describes the Germanics (who he encountered and defeated in the form of the nomadic Suebi tribes, who came from what are now northern Germany along the Baltic Sea) in his book about the conquest of Gaul. While he considers the Gauls very inferior to the Romans, what with their lack of large cities or organized miltiaries or proper writing, he calls them absolutely godlike compared to how primitive the Germans were. He describes the Germans as having no real culture, no cities of any kind, and little agriculture period. Basically a Stone Age civilization that happens to have iron weapons.

>But a worse thing had befallen the victorious Sequani than the vanquished Aedui, for Ariovistus the king of the Germans, had settled in their territories, and had seized upon a third of their land, which was the best in the whole of Gaul, and was now ordering them to depart from another third part. The consequence would be, that in a few years they would all be driven from the territories of Gaul, and all the Germans would cross the Rhine; neither must the land of Gaul be compared with the land of the Germans, nor must the habit of living of the latter be put on a level with that of the former.

>That, moreover, the Germans should by degrees become accustomed to cross the Rhine, and that a great body of them should come into Gaul, he saw [would be] dangerous to the Roman people, and judged, that wild and savage men would not be likely to restrain themselves, after they had possessed themselves of all Gaul, from going forth into the province and thence marching into Italy (as the Cimbri and Teutones had done before them), particularly as the Rhone [was the sole barrier that] separated the Sequani from our province.
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>The customs of the Germans differ widely from those of the Gauls; for neither have they Druids to preside over religious services, nor do they give much attention to sacrifices. They count in the number of their gods those only whom they can Their religion see, and by whose favors they are clearly aided; that is to say, the Sun, Vulcan, and the Moon. Of other deities they have never even heard. Their whole life is spent in hunting and in war. From childhood they are trained in labor and hardship

>They are not devoted to agriculture, and the greater portion of their food consists of milk, cheese, and flesh. No one Their system of land tenure owns a particular piece of land, with fixed limits, but each year the magistrates and the chiefs assign to the clans and the bands of kinsmen who have assembled together as much land as they think proper, and in whatever place they desire, and the next year compel them to move to some other place. They give many reasons for this custom — that the people may not lose their zeal for war through habits established by prolonged attention to the cultivation of the soil; that they may not be eager to acquire large possessions, and that the stronger may not drive the weaker from their property; that they may not build too carefully, in order to avoid cold and heat; that the love of money may not spring up, from which arise quarrels and dissensions; and, finally, that the common people may live in contentment, since each person sees that his wealth is kept equal to that of the most powerful.

> It is a matter of the greatest glory to the tribes to lay waste, as widely as possible, the lands bordering their territory, thus making them uninhabitable.
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these Scandinavian swords where made a thousand years before Rome.
in 1300BCE they where finest swords in the world, also the longest.

this belt buckle was also made in about 1300BCE.

more snow nigger bone tools.

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this is a razor blade

oldest buckler to date

looks comfy

Zerg rush

It should be noted that everything Caesar writes should be taken with huge grains of salts considering it's pretty much propaganda written by Caesar himself and he writes about himself in third person. It's hyperbolic as fuck.

Despite that, it's one of the few contemporary sources we have

bronze age Scandinavians invented the brass horn. everything from trumpets, trombones, saxophones, french horns etc started here.

It's pretty straightforward and is just a straightforward description. It also matches other descriptions, I don't see what your problem is with it.

Hello Varg, how's going?

kek all the houses' roofs are low texture

>you'll never live in a comfy village in rural Europe, far away from modernization
Feels bad man

because archeology tends to disagree with everything caesor and the romans wrote about them.

It's like trusting Nazi Germanys description of Russians if they hypothetically won WW2.

i'm kinda tired of all the ignorance regarding prehistoric Scandinavia desu.

pic related oldest functional battle axes.

Everywhere except Indonesia and Aboland was more civilized than african blacks, African blacks are PALEOLITHIC, while everyone else is NEOLITHIC in technology and social structure. If you placed blacks into Europe before they would go extinct in 400 years they would barely build anything as blacks are too dumb to build buildings of deciduous type trees like in Europe and they are too stupid to make stone buildings like in West Asia so blacks in Europe would simply live in the forest with no building structures at all besides poorly put together clusters of branchs. Their weaponry would never advance either and be useless in Europe since the wildlife is a pain in the ass to hunt by chasing it down so they would probably be cannibals as they would be too stupid to hunt animals in Europe that arent too big. Also winter will obviously kill them since they cant handle the cold and on their own invented no clothing that could be used for warm at all.

So no Germanics were far ahead of negros and always were, to understand how primitive the black is, simply look at our black americans if these guys were as stupid as Germanics then they should have made a nation already since Germanics made many kingdoms which eventually became Germany and the Bong Caliphate.

Hvordan er været i frankriket?

that is a very poor reconstruction of a British iron age round house.

pic related is the sort of dwelling that was most common in northern Europe at the time.

The Romans always described the Gauls as noticeably more advanced than the Germans (not sure about the Britons).

quite nice desu

spot the le 60% pseudo-academic

speaking of chariots, the Celts actually invented suspension 2000 years before it was reinvented in the 19th century pic related.

Its true blacks can only thrive in tropical climates take them out and they go extinct fast, thats why we can only find them in tropcial Africa, because the blacks that existed BEYOND IT ARE ALREADY EXTINCT.

The normies of the West are going to be in for one hell of a shock when they revoke the welfare state and experience the chimpocalypse.

>Basically a Stone Age civilization

all these artifacts are a thousand years before Caesar's time and they are from Scandinavia.

Gallia and Dacia had walled towns, complex political structures, metalworking, and increasing division of labor. Britain had tribal chiefdoms and kingdoms with hill forts. Germany, Southern Scandinavia, and Northern Britain had iron metallurgy but relatively simple social structures. The remaining areas to the far North were inhabited by hunter gatherers less technologically advanced than the Sami people that live there today.

Rome was weak at that point, and it was easy for German generals to seize land and villas and establish the beginnings of feudalism.

By the time the Roman Empire was overthrown they had ceased to be the Germans described by Caesar for quite some time. Many were Roman soldiers.

Can someone tell me where the fuck the runic alphabet came from?

it probably developed from Latin script. German auxiliaries probably brought Latin tablets back when they returned to there homeland and it developed from there.

Egyptian hieroglyphs/ugaritic cuneiform -> Sinai alphabeth -> phoenician alphabeth -> greek alphabeth -> etruscan alphabeth -> various italic alphabeths -> some northern variant -> germanic runes

But actually they were created independently by Odin in Valhalla and have esoteric powers that now have disappeared because the swarthy middle eastern romans kept the germanic man down

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so were the greeks

The same chimps burn down their own neighborhood. They aren't a threat desu senpai

>It also matches other descriptions,
No it doesn't.

How did snowniggers become powerhouses in the industrial age whole horseniggers in Asia basically never adapted at all and we're content to destroy and pillage and squat?

Inb4 posts about Germany trying to destroy Europe

people on Veeky Forums and even /pol/ aren't interested in knowing the truth when it comes to stuff like this.

>Suebi
>Scandinavia

>minus africa

Why not include Africa just to rub it in

>swarthy middle eastern romans
uuhhhhh

whoever made this image is trying way too hard to discredit germanic history
half of these were constructed centuries after the viking age started and the scandinavia images are from the pre-roman iron age (before 1 BCE):
>Machu Picchu was built around 1450-1460
>Chicken Itza was built up from 800-1100 AD
>Tenochtitlan was founded in 1325
>Great Wall pictured built by the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), very little remains of the original walls built by Qin Shi Huang
the germanic cultures would have advanced evenly if they didn't have constant environmental stresses (lack of tin for bronze, lack of good iron sources, climate change causing migration from north, Roman influence and advances from south, etc)

This.
Though the Romans said the Celts were noticably more advanced than the Germans.
The retards that think people were still living in caves are something else.

A lot of these buildings were built hundreds, if not thousands of years apart.

>less technologically advanced than the Sami people that live there today.
So the north german tribes didnt have snowscooters and moonshine?

That wasn't common at all

The Sao civilization in what is now Chad was way more civilized than Germanics and most whites, they had cities

>Britain was a bit more civilized with some hill forts

Bullshit there's acheological evidence of Hillforts on every nordic country from Roman times. Otherwise your correct.

SOURCE?

Would rather live in the round house desu, atleast its got actual thatching and a chimney

>explore the entire world and perfect the art of bronze metallurgy
>invent bronze axes for hunters thousands of years BEFORE the Bronze Age™
>perfect boat technology and Astro navigation
>highly complex and efficient tribal Moot systems
>Germanics perfect unironically based moral code (no adultery, put homosexuals in the bog)
>complex multi level buildings made of cheap, accessible, renewable materials
>settle the most uninhabitable parts of Europe
>international trade
>perfect navigation
>btfo Romans repeatedly
>complex and beautiful runic languages
>reach and influence spans all of Europe and Russia

>10,000 years later some faggots on Veeky Forums think you're the same as niggers because you chose not to have a centralised government to build huge marble forums and muh impressive monuments

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Castle_of_Lieto

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillfort#Lithuania

Those for example. Sorry for wikipedia, not gonna seek on hours on end for better sources whilst in work

Rome never invaded piss poor uncivilized territories, they made profit from wars.

Britain was barbaric (ie, pre-civilized) but had the first stirrings of civilization in the form of "oppidia", which were fortified sites where tribes could gather in peace for the purpose of trade. Germans had nothing like this and lived a "pure" barbarian existence in small villages.

It's not the hillforts that make Britain more civilized, its the oppidia. By the time the Romans invaded in force, Britain even had native "towns" and "cities" such as Calleva Atrebatum.

Yeah i wasn't trying to refute that. Just the fact that all of europe mostly had Hillforts and minor albeit very minor settlements even during Roman times.

You mean villages? Yeah no shit dumbass, villages have existed in Europe for thousands of years before the Celts.

they lived in fucking caves, they were literally troglodites

Yes they could, there are many examples of writing made by Celts, typically in the Greek alphabet. They didn't make extensive use of writing because they had no real use for it beyond trading with the Greeks.

Northern Europe, maybe, but the Britons stuck to roundhouses right into the Roman period.

The Britons were the country bumpkins of the Celtic world, they were more sophisticated than the Germans but less so than mainland Celts.

>Celts

This is actually a British invention, mainland Celts had largely abandoned the use of the chariot by the time of Rome.

Late iron age technology finally allowed mass agriculture in Northern European heavy clay soils. Before then, populations were sparse, but after this development they exploded in numbers while maintaining (for a generation or so) their vigorous barbarian character.

>Egypt

Not all teh Negroes would have dief in Europe in your hypothetical scenario. Some of them with less melanin in skin may survive and Darwinian selection would mean that in a number of generations they will become fair-skinned, meanwhile they could feed themselves by raiding other more advanced tribes nearby... Wait a .....

Niggers can and do survive in Europe just fine, having dark skin might be a disadvantage but it's not fatal.

t.teutoburg commander

That wasn't an attempt to conquer Germany, just to secure the economically profitable Rhineland trade zone.

Romans were masters of slander. Add to that the typical chauvinism and ignorance you get with foreigners and it's pretty dubious.

y-you tell him brother!

actually Suebi and Swede are linguistically related.

the British where Celtic idiot.

>Romans said both the Celts and Carthaginians practiced human sacrifice
>IT'S NOT TRUE, ROMANS WERE JUST SLANDERING THEM, DEY DINDU NUFFIN
>archeologists find actual evidence that they did

Romans were honest, faggot. Deal with it.

they found evidence of the Carthaginians doing it, dubious evidence at that.
but they have found none for the Celts.