Redpill me on No Fap Veeky Forums

great rebuttal. Please provide proof that it actually does anything.

works. nothing more beta then sitting at home jerking off to some other guy railing some super hot bitch you'll never get. literally cucking yourself

Is it ok to fap to lesbo porn tho?

you're still touching yourself instead of being out there bettering yourself or trying to fuck bitches. it's a bit better but it's still pretty pathetic honestly

>tfw binging on femdom porn about porn addiction

fucking myself up and i love it

>Can't fap because of calluses
>Feels like sandpaper

>falling for the nofap meme
Giving up porn does wonders for your mind, giving up jerking off all together is bullshit though.

>being this insecure

I tried doing nofap a shitload of times because I was starting to fap to some super gay shit, but couldn't keep it going more than 10 days.

Got with my now gf and the sex is fucking insane. Tried wanking 2 or 3 times since we got together and it was a completely unsatisfying feeling. Now I have no problem not doing it. In fact, she's going to be away for a month and I'm just looking forwarding to tearing her apart when she gets back.

No lesson in this user, just thought I'd share a brief synopsis of my experience.

Fapping is not healthy sexual behaviour beyond a certain point in development. Fapping to porn is super fucked up. You're just projecting. Without even realising it, you're leaving your life for a little while to get a sexual thrill that just leaves you drained.

You should feel like like a big man after you cum user, not a little one.

>she's going to be away for a month
Probably riding Chad's dick during that time while you sit alone like the pathetic loser you are falling for the "no fap" meme

Tanks your test, not healthy

porn warps my perception of myself and others' sex lives in unhealthy ways but i don't think that there's anything wrong with masturbation even on a daily basis

if you masturbate excessively you should consider whether or not you're trying to escape from something

Hold me user

I had a shit long day yesterday and forgot to fap

Today I had a noticeable increase in drive, energy and slight confidence increase

It works, but treat it as LessFap rather than nofap

NoPorn is way to go trust me.

>fapping to 3DPD porn

I'll never understand how normalfags such as yourself can fap to real-life porn; it's so goddamned obviously fake but apparently you guys can't tell the difference? 90% of porn is totally fake and the awful moans ruin my boner.

>You should feel like like a big man after you cum user, not a little one.
What if I'm not one of the faggots that feel sad after masturbating to porn?

i dont anymore, thats what i was trying to say in my post. it gives you unrealistic expectations

NoFap is placebo shit practiced only by fatherless manchildren who ACTUALLY believe that non masturbating is some kind of accomplishment and will give them super powers or some shit ignoring scientific studies and research all together, pitiful to say the least.

I meditate before sleeping daily and I don't think about sex during the day so my dreams are basically sexless. According to taoist teachings I have reached an advanced level as almost all practitioners lose their seed through nocturnal emissions in the first 100 days. The funny thing about all this is that the teachings say you that you will become highly attractive to women while retaining which I am definitely experiencing, I am getting eye fucked 24/7 and women are making moves on me constantly. The irony of it all.

this. a million times. masturbating is only natural and healthy. watching porn every day is not. I've been a week on noporn and I'm surprised by the amount of time porn used to consume. i feel great 2tbh

how long do you meditate for each day? any specific kind of meditation you do the most?

>do this for 4h
>this is the life man
>cum
>existential crisis

Never said sad, bro. Just smaller.
Maybe you like wanking to other people fucking and it, in fact, enriches your life. Personally, I find it unhealthy. But you keep enjoying watching my man, that's fine by me.

This. The sexual frustration builds to a point that it simply blocks out a lot of apathy/autism/shyness and you get a very real desire to convince a bitch to fuck you.

Not OP but true. also, i got a good laugh out your comment m8

I'd also like to add on to this. When you do fap, make it count. Take your time with it and the load will be godlike.

the testosterone boost effect supposedly plateaus but the study was limited in time so you can't say it plateaued forever after that because you don't even know how long they monitored the subjects of the study.

and it's the dopamine effects which really matter much more so than testosterone - and they don't plateau in my experience. It only becomes more and more effective up to and including a year. 3 months (90 days) is the recommended time to see results with it.

>overcoming addiction has no physical effects
>quitting compulsive activities (especially if you spend a lot of time on them) has no physical effect

I didn't find this for what it's worth - when I quit the first time I had no option to relapse which maybe is why I didn't get "squirrelly". If you think about it a lot it'll be a constant struggle like that but maybe because I had no option for relapse anyway I never found that and I was off it solidly for about a year I think.

I did have wet dreams though, so that might have taken care of that "blue-ball" effect.

Teach me user, did they mean retaining your seed as in not fapping or meditating as well?

Been interested in Tao for a while actually.

>proof
not sure what would constitute proof in your mind, here's some evidence.

reuniting.info/download/pdf/0.BENEFITS.pdf

it's anecdotal so you might say it's nothing but a collection of outliers or placebo effects - my argument against that is the results they experience are the ones you'd expect from the neurochemistry involved in addiction and I think the transformation matches that seen in other addiction recoveries. They might still be outliers, though.

you might have to learn about the neurochemistry to be convinced - I might write something up but it's something you should be able to look into yourself by opening a post-2010 neuroscience textbook. I wouldn't recommend learning from online articles or anything since a lot of them are outdated neuroscience (still saying dopamine is a reward chemical).

TLDR: NoFap is for actual problem masturbators, and you won't make it if you do it for girls.

I masturbated several times a day, for several HOURS a day, for several YEARS, so definitely consider myself an extreme example of sexual addiction. This is why I resolved to stop fapping altogether and also never have sex, because last time I fapped pretty much all the organs and muscles involved were in pain, and though the chronic inflammation went away, it still doesn't feel good to get an erection, and there's still a funny sensation in what feels like the prostate or bladder. A doctor checked my prostate and took a urine sample, told me I was fine, and that masturbation doesn't cause or prevent prostate problems- though I know full and well whatever it is is a primary or secondary effect of all the abuse I but my dick and balls through.

The severe sexual addicts like me will see the most benefit, but all men will benefit form stopping masturbating- especially if you have a particularly strong post-ejaculation malaise. After a week you may notice deeper breathing and more social confidence, it will feel like you have more energy although you will be just as lazy and procrastinating. You need to stop for at least 4 weeks to realize the actual long term effects, which is when you body starts to break away from the need to sexual release. I am still very much attracted to women, but I can't even fantasize about sex anymore because my body forgot what the sensation was like. The addiction to fapping has been replaced with an addiction to maintaining this high octane lifestyle in which I am free from sex, I am the most emotionally resilient and bold I have ever been in my life, and I know nothing good can ever come of sex or masturbation. Even if I wasn't addicted and injured, I always felt shitty after ejaculation and would never want to experience that with a female, and also never want to have kids, and the only foolproof and ethical way to ensure this is abstinence.

I cannot confirm. I have spent a year abstaining from both of them, and then later on I spent a year masturbating with imagination only and it was only when I abstained from both together that I saw the really extreme results like the ones recorded in the pdf here It might depend which you're more addicted to.

Different guy.

Youre not everyone either, just one stupid faggot who thinks his personal experience is proof of fact. It's not. Studies have shown that nofap is pretty much useless past a week.

not if you have sex instead.

I thought I had a problem with my dick because of masturbating but it turned out it was nerves, that and me being one of those unlucky men who can't get it up after a few drinks.

If you get lucky after not masturbating for a few days prepare to cum in about 3 seconds, which can be embarrassing.

I should probably cut out porn but it's not enough of a problem at the moment for me to bother to put the effort it. Fairly happy with my willy as it is

I'm not aware of any scientific studies or research ruling this out or even showing that masturbation is "normal" or "healthy". All I've heard mentioned is a vague prostate link and according to this:
webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20090127/masturbation-and-prostate-cancer-risk
frequent masturbation is only correlated with reduced risk if you're in your 50s - if you're in your 20s or 30s it's correlated with raised risk.

if you look into the neuroscience of motivation and addiction masturbation matches the characteristics of a compulsive activity. It hasn't been studied as such unfortunately but it matches the characteristics. Even if it reduced risk of some condition (which it turns out in this case it actually makes it worse for what I assume are most people on this board) it's still not worth it. I'd rather take the raised risk and work to lower my overall risk through exercise, eating healthy so that I don't have to live with a compulsive activity unbalancing my neurochemistry, which in my reading about it (and my own experience) there's every reason to think it does.

/thread

My approach is to not mix the two. Watch porn, get hard, turn it off, then fap.

It's a placebo effect.
Nothing real comes out of it, hehe

I felt the effects of no fap, they are pretty great, but every time I cant make it past 1/2 weeks.

Because if I do, I just want to fuck women too much. And romantic feelings turn into nogf and I just get even more depressed.

So I am just fapping once a week to not to completely deplete my test, but also not to completely build it up.

probably better off just rationing and gradually lessening the amount of porn

wet dreams are just how your body gets rid of excess seminal fluid when you actually have too much. anytime before you have them any feeling of being too pent up is mostly psychological from my experience

Depends on what you're aiming for. The tl;dr of the attached is that most of the problems young me have that would push themselves towards nofap or noporn stem from nerves. Being nervous or anxious around sexual partners, which kills boners like no-one's business.

Porn addiction just like any other addiction can seriously fuck your life up.
Effects range from depression, social anxiety and complete lack of motivation to developing weird fetishes and even changing your sexual orientation.
Why do you think all those /b/tards are attracted to traps?
Other than that masturbation also temporarily lowers your testosterone and kills your motivation to some degree.
I'd just recommend for you to completely go cold turkey and stop masturbation as well as porn watching or any stimulation besides from women for at least 3 to 4 weeks.

I think it's the effect of your motivational pathway recovering its normal function as well.

>A 2008 study in the "Journal of Nuclear Medicine" arrived at a first-time conclusion linking social anxiety disorder -- a specific form of anxiety -- with altered dopamine uptake activity in the striatum, a part of the brain. In "Nature Neuroscience," researchers published results that linked anxiety, emotional processing in the amygdala, and dopamine storage capacity. Specifically, PET scans and MRI studies found that people with more dopamine stored in their left amygdala were less likely to score high on tests for anxiety.
livestrong.com/article/396871-low-dopamine-anxiety/

if self-stimulation (whether it's through your hands, images on a screen or your imagination) increases dopamine release we could expect that higher stores being associated with less anxiety might mean that those with less stores (self-stimulators) would have more anxiety.

at the very least if you have an extreme influence on your dopamine activity you might expect to see anxiety since it's associated with altered dopamine activity.

also how "explicit" a sexual image is affects ventral striatum activity but that might be more of a tenuous link
>Neuroimaging studies found ventral striatum activity when participants watched explicit sexual stimuli compared to non-explicit sexual/erotic material.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811916000392

if you can't have erections because of pain or it doesn't feel good then see a urologist - I wouldn't let it go unexamined if you have ongoing discomfort and are avoiding sex.

I'm not convinced of that, I know there are communities online where they claim to be able to induce wet dreams - drinking a lot before bed is one of the ways they claim works. I also was of the understanding that excess seminal fluid was reabsorbed into the body - although I've heard conflicting things.

ED isn't the only reason to quit them though - there are a lot of other reported benefits which make sense from a biological perspective and which match up with my own experiences.

>whacking it off to porn is addiction
Masturbation is healthy. If you're jacking it so much that it gets in the way of your life you have other bigger problems than fapping.

Not fapping will not fix your brain problems. Sure it may alleviate some of the effects of whatever it is that you suffer from but it will not by itself address the underlying problem that causes your retardation and ineptness.

No, not fapping will not suddenly make you have a personality. No, not fapping will not suddenly make you an interesting person. No, not fapping will not suddenly make you a normal human bean. It's not that one weird trick that will change your life.

If you don't fap because you think it will 'help you', it won't help you because you're constantly thinking shit like "did it help me?" "Is it working?"
"I finished a week, I think it's helping!"
It's a psychological effect, therefore it's a placebo effect. You're just tricking yourself into believing it's helping

cuck

Everything works fine and I get erections, but . when I do the perenium muscles get very stiff and inflamed- something I noticed happening while fapping at least 2 years ago. All doctors I asked found nothing wrong, so whatever it is is muscle strain, and its not like I was ever going to have sex anyway, so I can live a healthy and happy life if I just don't masturbate either.

How can I stop watching porn Veeky Forums

>Not fapping will not fix your brain problems. Sure it may alleviate some of the effects of whatever it is that you suffer from but it will not by itself address the underlying problem that causes your retardation and ineptness.
I think it will, the pdf here is full of what seems like exactly that.

sexual activity releases dopamine in rats: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1313243
>The preferential increase in DA (dopamine) transmission in the nucleus accumbens, compared with that in the striatum, suggests that anticipatory and consummatory aspects of sexual activity may belong to a class of naturally occurring events with reward values that are mediated by DA release in the nucleus accumbens.
so sexual activity is part of the reward system mediated by dopamine activity in the nucleus accumbens
>Excitatory transmission from the amygdala to nucleus accumbens facilitates reward seeking.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21716290
and here there's a study showing a link between dopamine in the amygdala and anxiety:
>Our results suggest that individual dopamine storage capacity in amygdala subserves modulation of emotional processing in amygdala and dorsal cingulate, thereby contributing to individual differences in anxious temperament.
nature.com/neuro/journal/v11/n12/full/nn.2222.html

so it isn't a conclusive link but it's not out of the question at all that levels of sexual stimulation might affect anxiety levels - they might seem unrelated but the areas and neurotransmitters involved overlap.

>it's a placebo
I saw the same type of dramatic results shown in these accounts when I stopped for a year - I had never heard of this movement at that time and it never occurred to me it was that which made the effect. I've also been able to reproduce the effects more or less at will since then.

I've never heard of muscle strain lasting years - I understand it isn't a practical issue so my only concern is that it seems like something is very wrong if it's still inflamed after all that time and it might be a more serious underlying condition. It seems strange the doctors say nothing is wrong when you have inflammation and discomfort with every erection. Hopefully everythng is ok with it though.

> Armchair psychologists say too much porn can lead to homosexual fantasies.
> Maybe i just need to quit fapping.
> Give up jerking and porn for a month.
> End of the month, I'm literally salivating over the cute guys jogging on campus.
> Keep catching my self looking at every girl in short ass.

If you can have sex, it's pretty effective at getting your libido up. If you can't like my, it make you really frustrated.

Here are some methods from nicotine addiction research (the mechanism of addiction is the same so it should apply to you as well)
One is to reflect on the long-term consequences and effects.
drugabuse.gov/news-events/nida-notes/2012/04/cognitive-strategy-reduces-craving-by-altering-brain-activity
>In a study led by Dr. Kevin N. Ochsner of the Social Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory at Columbia University, smokers reported milder cigarette cravings when they thought about smoking’s harmful effects while viewing smoking cues than when they focused on its pleasures. Brain imaging correlated the reductions in craving with altered activity levels in regions associated with emotional regulation and reward.

Another is exercise (most likely they mean aerobic, so lifting might not be enough). Exercise leads to smokers showing less interest and having less activation in their brain when they see stimuli related to smoking, like a pack of cigarettes.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091026093723.htm
>Numerous studies have shown that a single session of light to moderate intensity exercise, for example five-15 minutes of brisk walking, can reduce cravings and responses to smoking cues.
>"It is not clear if longer or more vigorous bouts of exercise have a bigger effect."
so more might help or it might not.

In my own experience when I'm outside and active all day I have much less interest in compulsive activities.

Does a girl giving me a handjob count as fapping

>muh studies
Studies are published to talk about themselves. Unless a study had been consistently proven correct it is nothing but shit.

Yes. You should abstain from havig any orgasm.

if someone is looking for methods to try I think a single study even if it might turn out to be a one-off is still more worthwhile to take notice of than not. The investment of time to see if it works is small.

the second link is talking about multiple studies anyway as it turns out.

Even through sex? I thought the entire point of no fap was to get more sex.

it depends who you talk to - my angle on it has always been sexual stimulation and dopamine but for some people it's also or primarily about orgasm - the negative effect of the refractory period, the production of prolactin when we ejaculate etc.

for some people having orgasms without ejaculation is supposed to solve the issue - the christian couple who run yourbrainonporn.com and who have been a big driving force behind "the nofap movement" have another site... reuniting.info I think, which is about orgasmless sex as a couple - this thing called "karezza" which I think was invented by a woman.

I can't say I see the sense in that, though - abstaining from masturbation is a way for me to lead a more natural life and circumventing orgasm entirely seems like going against nature.

Completely false.

>you don't have enough will power and self decipline to try.

You poor penis mutilated Jew.

If she's away for a month she will definitely get fucked by another guy and suck his dick then come home and kiss you.

haven't fapped in 5-6 months? somewhere around there.

does wonders for you if, and only if, you have a chronic masturbation problem.

not gonna go into the benefits of it, but if you find yourself fapping too much then you should stop. most people who say it is bullshit don't have a real masturbation problem or are too weak to go without fapping for more than a week.

On Day 41 of NoFap

Porn Free
Masturbation Free
Benched 205lbs today new pb

AMA

But I want to live out my weird, specific furry fantasies each night...

This is sad that modern society has pushed down abstinence benefits into the occult or paranormal. Yes it conserves hormones and "sex craving" resources. It gears one towards higher stress and success.

>muh studies

Shut up nerd and just try it for yourself and feel the benefits that everyone who actually does it and behaves like an adult and not a teenage loser jerking off to a computer screen feels.

>Masturbation is healthy.

He fell for the masturbation is healthy meme.

>Masturbation is healthy.
No it's not.

If you can't go a week without masturbating, you've already got problems.

>Not fapping will not fix your brain problems
What a load of garbage.
That's like saying not drinking won't help a recovering alcoholic.

Bullocks.

>No, not fapping will not suddenly make you have a personality. No, not fapping will not suddenly make you an interesting person. No, not fapping will not suddenly make you a normal human bean. It's not that one weird trick that will change your life.

You sound like the guy who will spurt out every excuse not to lift because he's lazy.

Masturbation is totes cool you should try it.

There is no benefit to no fap. Fapping is at least good for your circulation somewhat in which makes you look swole. You faggots act like you'll increase your gains and crank out 20 percent more gains with no fap.

Completely true.

wew, that was easy.

regardless of whether you think nofap is healthy or not at the very least it builds discipline if you have an existing reliance on it

>this thread again

No fap
pos:
>repairs penis/testicles
>small test boost 2-3 days in
negatives:
>less than a week in test drops back to normal
>has no other uses.

shoot for three days.
every three days jack off if you want to, you'll gain the benefits of no fap without the retardation of waiting weeks to months to jack off.

Even if there is no physical/mental benefit to no fap as some people are saying

I love when my bf does no fap...
He's a lot more 'there' in the bedroom and there's more jizz/power behind it and we can go three or four times and he's more affectionate in general. I wish he would do it more often :)

If you're reading this Andy, nofap time!

>Masturbation is healthy.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation
>inb4 wikipedia
There are references.

>Even if there is no physical/mental benefit to no fap as some people are saying
>I love when my bf does no fap...
>He's a lot more 'there' in the bedroom and there's more jizz/power behind it and we can go three or four times and he's more affectionate in general. I wish he would do it more often :)
>If you're reading this Andy, nofap time!

>No it's not.
>If you can't go a week without masturbating, you've already got problems.
masturbating and not being to go a week without masturbating are two different things user. Masturbating in of itself is very healthy.

>repairs penis/testicles
??????

in other words bullshit nofapscience