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>can't lift away shitskin genes

Yes but you also need
>Height
>Handsome face
>Aesthetic frame
>Dressed well

It makes them look at you, the rest of your personality and skillset decides if that helps or not

How bout you get ripped and post results. It might work for you and it might not, I really hate when people ask these loaded questions like one thing works for everybody

Doing anything really well attracts female attention. Even if your one strength in life is as inane as smacking little balls with various sticks, you can still get mobbed by whores if you win a bunch of contests doing it.

If I have at above-average marks in all of those except height (5'11"), will I ever make it?

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elliot is that you?

youtube.com/watch?v=V1zFeHJzS5E

Post roids, in the beginning he kept his chest and legs smaller but defined because he felt it was more aesthetic. Chest looks like you'd expect, legs are at a bad angle and shaded.

??

he was a handsome dude

Most girls don't even notice you're ripped until they've already judged whether they think your face is attractive. Muscles are really just supplements for good looks.

Yes but not for everyone, you have to actually be a somewhat interesting person, or at least be somewhat charismatic, and a average looking skelly bro, the only way I've gotten chicks is sheer charm and wit.

>such as having a good face, knowing have to dress, knowing how to talk, status, money etc.
so where are all the zyzz equivalents for those areas if this is true? are there none because you can't change your face and status, money and talking all require interacting with other people?

is the popularity of physique as a way of appealing to people reflecting nothing else but a widespread epidemic of social avoidance among young men?

of course it will, bumping yourself up in any way is always a plus.

now instead of having to date the inept, ugly, can't dress, unfit women you've upgraded to being matched with the inept, ugly, can't dress, fit women.

I read models by mark manson.

No man I think it's young men doing what they hope all women did. That is, being as attractive as they possibly can, not understanding women are more attracted to skill and status.

he had one sort of serious flaw which was his mouth development ie. narrow palate (his teeth curved away sharply) and a weak chin/underbite.

If he had mewed I think it might have helped him a lot.

I did hear that people on both sides of the sex divide tend to assume the other side wants the same thing.

I thought maybe that's why women want "ripped abs" for themselves even though men really dislike it, and here on Veeky Forums you can hear all the time "being a bit higher bf% looks better/more aesthetic" and it does to my eyes but maybe that's the same thing.

only if you already have a decent face, height and frame

i'm 5.11 and cuck lanklets all the time, face and personality is more important than height unless you are actually short (not Veeky Forums short)

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he's wearing makeup there breh

ITT:
delusional fags that try to convince themselves that a fit body is not important to woman.

on a board dedicated to fitness

You attract vain sluts who only care about status.

If you like that sort of thing. As soon as they realize you dont have money though they will be gone. Unless you are their side fuck and they already have a rich boyfriend.

I'm here for health.

jelly white neckbeard detected

It's not. Most these faggots think because they like ripped men most women do to.

Women dont give a shit.

How do i know you look like shit?

I work out for me for my health. I never once was like I gotta to impress anyone.

Thats the most insecure childish faggot thing I ever heard.

Face improves with lower bodyfat.

>I work out for me!
That's about as believable as "I got these fake tits for ME!"

Who cares

>women don't give a shit if you have a yacht

Ftfy

Ya I'll have random babes rubbing my big pics and arms at concerts. Getting laid is so easy now bruh

Mine got worse.

Well, look at your pic. Zyzz had pretty average face, was brown, but pulled girls like magnet. Was it because of his body, or confidence that his body gave him? Probably combination of both.

>OMG some fat guy got a hot girl that must mean muscles are USELESS and women don't give a fuck about them!
Women do give a fuck about muscles but they aren't a hard requirement. If you're fat you can have other qualities to offset it but having a good body is always a better option than not having a good body. Why is this so hard to grasp?

you need charisma to attract women

zyzz had charisma, the people who try to be exactly like him don't

Maybe he just wasn't photogenic. On some pics he looks kind of handsome, but on most he looks average. I have similar type of face and I look awful on pics and decent normally or when photographed with pro camera (on diploma pics and such).

having been a fat pudgy retard my entire life and finally getting fit at the tender age of 28 i can tell you first hand the way women talk to/treat me is vastly different.

he wasn't very confident, he says he just stood around and waited for women to approach him.

>even though men really dislike it
speak for yourself, brah. Although I don't mind a little fupa either.

ripped abs is literally a meme started by gay fashion designers and pornographers

Maybe at start. Later on he actively sought attention.

This. I literally can't say things and not have people dislike me. And im not autistic cuz i work in public relations. I think im somehow im just really offputting

spend more time around people and be confident, then think about how what you say makes people feel.

I made a tinder 5 days ago and added this pic on my profile

Ive had 60 matches so far, which is 12/day and have had a few girls message me out of the blue for hook ups. Most are above average looking as i dont just carpetbomb and instalike everyone. Im not particularly good looking by any meansand my bio is reads "all about that anime life". Being ripped puts you above 80% of the male population by default because most people are fat and sedentary.

but your shoulders are literally bitch mode and lmao nopecs?

If its any consolation 5'11" puts you at the 75-80% percentile for male height breh

You are dyel but you're the only person I've seen who looks good topless when squatting

Wtf

what is squat form?
hes squatting lol.

its called rolling your shoulders back

His clavicles are still small though, would guess his shoulders are no more than 18" at best.

exactly. Im not saying im particularly built, especially by Veeky Forumss standards. Most womens' standards are much lower than you expect dude and definently much lower than ours. Just cut down to around 10% bf and you'll be golden. seriously. I get way more mires than i ever had even though i feel skinny and weak as fuck.

yeah he might be kinda small but look at his elbow position, he's mad retracted

>mew meme

please get this out of here until anyone produces results from this "several year long study"

Just measured em. 19.3 inches.

pic of me relaxed.

If you'll take my word for it I used it to fix my malocclusion.

A little bigger than I thought, but still really small 2bh

I've been married for 2 years so yeah its about the equivalent dumb ass.

yh ive been cutting for a while now so my stats are shit. As soon as i hit 8-9% i wanna get juicy.

height and weight?

how long did it take. i'm giving it a shot

youre fine

not long to fix the malocclusion, maybe two weeks of doing it whenever I remembered. I still have a long way to go, though.

I think it's worth learning how to do it right, like making sure you have the back of the tongue up there - if I remember right I used the technique of blocking off the airway with the tongue and then sliding the tongue forward (still keeping upward pressure) until the airway isn't blocked and then staying there and applying pressure up and forward. It's complicated though and I'm still not sure I'm doing it 100% right, I remember Mike Mew saying it might block off the airway at first until you've created enough space for the tongue to sit on the roof of the mouth as it's meant to.

6ft

Hovering around 168-170 atm

Aiming for 164

Ive never seen someone who skips upper body and only hits legs

>be pretty fit as far as gym goers, so be very fit out in real world with normies.
>at best buy killing time while boss shows up cuz cant buy shit on his CC
>walk around the place, spot one worker girl solid 8/10 damn guurl be rockin that blue polo hard
>dawdle in her sector
>9.3 seconds elapse
>comes over, asks if she can help me
>when i say no, i'm lookin her in the eye and she looks straight at my left arm
>she turns to walk away but her eyes stay

it was a like 6.5 out of 10 on the scale of obviousness, and was quick but i caught it. this story is played out over and over, especially if I have sunglasses on and they dont, its like they just assume im not looking since they cant feel my eyes looking.

this all being said, i'm pretty sure i'm the male equivalent of a butterface so i dont get shit on tinder, especially since you cant really show off bod on tinder as a guy and i'm not gorilla status so even though i clearly lift in cloths, i dont look 'big'.

sure

But the main thing is how sharp your facial aesthetics change as you enter the coveted 10% bodyfat range.

If you have the bone structure
>cheekbone casting a shadow
>jaw muscle visibly moving when you chew

Your face just looks "tight" and sexy in other words.

Post a pic of your tinder profile with your eyes blacked out. Or of your face with your eyes blacked out.
Do the same, post a pic of your tinder profile with your eyes blocked out + a body shot.

Throw some pull work in bro.

This is pull guy.
Forget I said anything.

>9.3 seconds elapse

Kek. Know what you mean about the body shots though. Girls I've takes to about tinder will judge the fuck out of it u less you're straight made it mode. I got lucky and got pic related so it's still "covered" but shows off without the "he actually posted this shirtless shit."

It helps I live in the Midwest so everyone here is either fat as fuck or aushwitz

But I like having ripped abs

perfect

Yeah, tell that to mr Chad thundercock who fucks both women at the same time when mr. Fatass neckbeard is away the bank paying for the girls credit cards

You're get some much hate for the people in this thread but let's be honest; you look great bro

>implying working out is healthy

I always believed pic related is kind of what girls like, strong and defined but not shredded
the kind of "he works out and is strong but not obsessed with the gym and diet" body

how did the debate even go on after this?

The guy works on Harley street in London.

Do you know what that means???

No one goes to Harley street to pay ridiculous amounts of money for private treatment unless they can get results.

Respectable. Don't listen to beta cucks who are so insecure about themselves that they can't accept some people are happy with their own lives ()

>people think you can attain this body without a strict routine and diet or some drugs

/thread

It bothers me how only a very few people on Veeky Forums know a thing about lifting, anatomy or anything Veeky Forums related for that matter.

Can attain these legs though

keke

It most certainly does attract female attention but mostly slutty attention. Qts might mire you but won't speak to you anyway but will likely be impressed when you talk to them and don't sound like a retard.