How would ww2 played out if trotsky had taken power in the soviet union instead of stalin?

how would ww2 played out if trotsky had taken power in the soviet union instead of stalin?

USSR would've been the aggressor for sure, and they'd get buttraped badly. Not just by the Germans but by the English, the French and the Poles too.

it would have fallen in the 30s

Likely the same way, except WW2 goes on longer as the Reds try to sweep through all of Europe. Moscow then gets glassed by the americans.

europe would be a hell

Finnish people couldn't brag about how well they did in the winter war

Trotsky wanted to export the revolution, but this meme about him being a hitler-tier warmonger must die.

He was intelligent enough to know that starting a war against the great powers of the time was not the best way to build worldwide communism.

For example during the Soviet-polish war, he supported a negotiated peace and not the military takeover that Lenin went for.

Assuming no butterfly effect, I see a few important differences.
First Trotsky would push the KPD to adopt a more flexible line than Stalin, who ordered them to oppose social democrats before fascists, and that would allow the german left to defend itself better and maybe prevent Hitler's ride altogether.
Secondly, Trotsky would probably do all he could to ensure a "republican" victory in the Spanish civil war. And if it is enough, then that fucks up the Nazis plans for western Europe. It gives the allied more men and more room to retreat, and in case of German victory, it makes it much harder for them to actually control all their conquests.
As for the USSR, I think it would be overall a stronger power. Trotsky was a good administrator and would likely be able to avoid the major famines of Stalin's government. He might go more slowly with the industrialization, but in return he would have a few millions more valid men. The red army, furthermore, would not have been deprived of its good officers and would have been ready to fight.

I also expect that Trotsky would have also strongly supported the CCP in the civil war and the war with Japan. Maybe even joined in.
That could have started a world war (capitalists vs communists), but I don't think France, England and the US cared enough.

Why didn't Stalin kill him?

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le fourth international face

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>He was intelligent
Stopped reading there. Trotsky was a dumbass.

If 5 people survive this shit it would be worth it

If Stalin hadn't been a dumb shit and attacked the wrong place there could be global communism by now and we would not be under shitty capitalism and things could actually be going well.

Trotsky was great.

Hitler would've never come to power in the first place, so Trotsky wouldn't have to deal with Germany.

Buttmad Jew

Why wouldn't Hitler come to power, are you assuming communists would win in Germany?

I'm an anglo. Please, hold your REEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Trotsky would've funded Socdem and gommie bois in Germany, unlike Stalin who ignored them and allied with Hilter.

what's the difference?

Anglos and Jews are the same sort of devil.

>Stalin allied with Hitler pre-election
This is your brain on Trotskyism

DELET

No purge, but the army would be in organizational disorder regardless. Despite organizing the army on conventional lines, after the war Trotsky was the most against the establishment of a regular army. He preferred militia to professionals, and was pretty distrustful of weapons that required specialists.

What makes you think Trotsky wouldn't purge? He purged his former Menshevik comrades eagerly.

Because the Trotsky clique would have been liquidated by 1934

He did not, as far as anyone can tell, have any designs on the bolshevik party in general, beyond leading it.
Mensheviks, well, find a bolshevik who wasn't in favour of having a go at them.

Trotsky was a Menshevik who switched sides and started going after his fellow Mensheviks.

I'm aware. It's important to note that he had a go at them as a bolshevik, more so than as a former menshevik.
Again, find a bolshevik that didn't want to have a go at them.

>WW2 with le mechanized gas man still a marshal of the Soviet Union
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

wow a jew swtiches sides and goes after his old cohort imagine my shock

My point is he was an opportunistic faggot who acted like a Menshevik when it suited him and like a Bolshevik when Bolsheviks gained the upper hand. No sense of loyalty.

Opportunism is pragmatism and a good thing when you want to win a war.

So it's likely a purge would happen.

>fyodor
>get the icepick

It would play out like ww2 except with everybody against germany it would be everybody against russia with a cold war against germany later

He changed hands when the bolsheviks matched his beliefs. It's no more than a switch of internal faction.

Basically this. WW2 probs wouldn't have happened because Ol' Lev wouldn't have forced the KPD to fucking roll over and let Hitler march peacefully to power.

Leaving aside what a genuine revolutionary USSR would've meant for China in the 20s and Spain in the 30s.