I've worked for the last 5 years trying to make myself a better person, and to be good to my friends and family...

I am a good looking guy and I know it, and I'm not a fucking autist. I can make people laugh and smile wherever I go; I have a gift with people.

You're right, I am insecure. I don't approach women at all. However, my friend on steroids doesn't do it either, and he has girls chasing him.

You are retarded

even if you didn't PCT, your test production wouldn't be shutdown forever. you'd have a fucking miserable time, but you'd live and your test levels would go back to normal eventually.

your joints will get fucked up quickly because you havn't conditioned them to heavy weight due to you being a DYEL

reach 1/2/3/4 and then juice

How tall is your "friend"?

I realize that. I'm at less than 10% body fat, however. Also, I have an insane metabolism.

I need to gain weight... and steroids can help me do that extremely quickly.

Are you retarded?

Your natural test production after a while does get fucked up. Not from one cycle or two but if you blast for years it'll be fucked.

Some people report having blasted for a year and then PCTing for like 4 years, not sure why you'd come off but they do

No way you've been lifting 5 years youre retarded

I weighed 104 when i started

This is really interesting to me, what exactly in his behavior has changed since taking steroids? Has he talked about any psychological changes he's experienced?

simply put, no. you're an idiot.

please refrain from talking about steroids.

Also you still have to eat on roids lmao

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If you don't know what you're doing, you can end up with big ol titties. Be careful, OP.

>DYEL

I have been lifting for 4 years, but I've been living in poverty for 3 years thanks to being a poor student. I just started making bank, and I've started eating a lot too. I lift about 200lbs on a bench with 8 reps, for example.

The same height as me; 5'8. When he started roiding, his posture got much better and now he is about 2 inches taller just because of that, too.

this, however, is true.

but if you start taking steroids without doing your research, then you deserve all the gyno in the world

>sub 10%
>138 at 5'8"
LMAO YOURE GONNA FUCK YOURSELF UP HOMIE

Are you mentally retarded?

Your natural test production definitely shuts down from using them for an extended period of time. That's LITERALLY the main negative side effect.

This desu
Your argument is just
>if you dont know what youre doing its bad

Same thing applies to building a shed u retard

> but I've been living in poverty for 3 years thanks to being a poor student
here are the macros for pinto beans, you can buy a 20 pound bag of it at walmart for 20 bucks. There' many other cheap foods

You have no excuse and you'll literally get BTFO by steriods because of how retarded you are.

post body.

You should just approach women instead of roiding dude. You say you're 24 and sound like a good guy. You're at the perfect age for finding a girl to settle down with and marry. This is your LAST year of college? Even more of a reason to start looking for a real relationship now. If you start roiding and everything goes as planned and you become a zyzz fuck machine then what? What happens after college? The older you get the harder it is to find good women dude. You're gonna wind up like a sad cunt rich piano who dies lonely and has no friends. Find a qt patoot gf and try you're best to talk to her. A qt will find it cute if a confident Veeky Forums man gets choked up around her, it's very flattering. That's my advice.

It's all lean muscle.

Post body please

What's your planned cycle?

Just curious.

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even if thats true and you are super ottermode you'd be retarded to juice since thats a god tier body mode for young women. Steriods are just going to show how insecure you are and youll still be hollow since you count get women with super ottermode.

Fuck I had a shit ottermode body from lifting after 5 months that got women to mire. WTF are you doing m8

Yeah, that's what I thought too; if I just be a good guy who thinks about his future and makes everyone around him have better lives by helping them, I thought girls would like me. Nope. Doesn't work like that.

I've wanted a real relationship with real intimacy for so long, and it just hasn't happened. The one chance I get, my roid friend sabotages so that he could get laid. He has showed me that if you play by the rules and look out for other people, you get fucked in the end by someone like him who looks out for himself first and doesn't play by the rules.

I give up on that shit now. I'm going to live my life like I'm going to die tomorrow from now on, and I'm going to take what I think I deserve without thinking as much about how it affects other people.

yes and that's not what's being discussed here

your test production will not be fucked in the long term. period. not gonna happen.

you kickstart your test production with PCT post-cycle and your body starts producing test on its own again. and, again, even if you DIDN'T PCT because you're some kind of retard who doesn't know what he's doing, you'd have a miserable time but you would start producing test naturally again eventually.

stop.

>you would start producing test naturally again eventually.

Source?

Your natural test production would be nuked and that's when you'd get on TRT for life from an actual doctor.

not that guy just curious; will I fuck myself if im 19 and do roids?

>if you play by the rules and look out for other people
Iv never understood why in the fuck anybody would ever do this. I cannot understand the mindset of caring about somebody thats not carrying your genes or is exploitable for your own personal gain. I just can't wrap my head around it

Because I legitimately cared about my friends and the people around me. It made me happy to know they respected me so much for helping them, and that many of them followed in my footsteps throughout life these past 3-4 years and considered me a leader.

However, the moment I have become weaker from circumstances, and I need their help, they don't help me. Everyone thinks I'm fine and can get through it. I finally had something good with a girl going, and my friend fucking destroys that.

Fuck it all, man. I used to live life thinking "fuck the world" every day too back when I was in high school, and women loved that shit. I wanted to become a better person, I wanted to help people, but now I am seeing that it comes at a great cost; my own happiness.

Not when you're 24 and have less than a 1 buzz cut. I'm balding. I have excellent facial structure and it looks good, but I'm a skinny bald guy now. I know that's probably not the issue when it comes to girls, but I am insecure about my appearance and that's probably why I don't pull the trigger when it comes to women. I think steroids will make me feel better about myself and the way I look.

how about eating more instead of half assing it and subscribing to steroids for the rest of tour life?

Because this is my last year of college and my last year that I will be in a place that has so many gorgeous girls in one place. This is my prime. I cannot wait another year to become Veeky Forums and good looking naturally, because then the opportunity is gone.

I don't care that much if I fuck my life up somehow from hormone imbalance. I'd rather be fucked in that regard than living my life wishing that I hadn't wasted my prime years doing nothing and wondering why girls wouldn't sleep with me. I want to go out and take what I think I deserve from now on.

I mean youre obviously retarded but go for it

it's simply not how it works. it's hard to properly source things about roids due to lack of non-anecdotal evidence (especially for something as stupid as not running PCT), but there is more than enough personal experiences to go around. the PCT only helps stimulate the HPTA to kickstart the process. it will still happen naturally.

tons of complete fucking idiots like OP who don't know anything about steroids have ran cycles with no AI on hand and no PCT because "steroids are magic" and they're still alive and kicking, not on TRT

[insufficient data]

/fraud/ has a bunch of under 20 people who have been blast & cruising for years and are very happy with it (and would tell their past selves to start earlier if they could). anecdotally, people say to wait until your mid 20s, but whether that's a real thing you should respect or not is unclear

you should be safe when fucking around with steroids but that doesn't stop most people

I'm part of the group of people who tells everyone to just roid and that if you know what you're doing, the risks are almost non-existent, but even I have to tell you that you have unrealistic expectations.

steroids aren't THAT magic. you can't just gain weight out of thin air/no calories because you're pinning. you're going to have to eat some goddamn food.

you look like you don't have your diet on point at all and I'd be surprised if your routine was. start by fixing that shit before wasting your money on roids.

>tons of complete fucking idiots like OP who don't know anything about steroids have ran cycles with no AI on hand and no PCT because "steroids are magic" and they're still alive and kicking, not on TRT

Hey i'm not expert man but that's what I've understood from browsing /fraud/ and r/steroids.

Seems once you commit to blasting and cruising you're gone for good and will need to stay on for life.

not really. it's the same process as coming off a regular cycle, you PCT. people do it all the time, even regular guys on real ass, doctor prescribed TRT who decide they want to have kids

What about becoming infertile from like 5 years of blasting and cruising?

I'm no scientist and I don't have research to back it up but I reckon once you do like 4-5 heavy tren blasts along with other compounds your body CANNOT be fine after that...

Would you care if one of the assholes you know died? What about the nice guy you know? Something to think about who you wanna be

>137 5'8"
>5 years of working out
I seriously hope you're meming. If not actually start working out seriously if you want to get big and get women. Also lifting and doing test won't make you not autistic

I have no raw data saved on this device, just STD tests but all of my health markets are fine after 2 years of blasting and cruising, having used most known compounds.

Sperm count isn't really reduced on any compound aside from tren, and at its worst tren really just fucks motility; again this is all personal.

There's no concrete evidence to support AAS permanently shutting you down. People who argue to stay on for life are arguing that even just 100-250m test is a better and healthier alternative than enduring andropause in later years.

The closest you'll find to scientific data on recovery is Scalys study on PCT.

>People who argue to stay on for life are arguing that even just 100-250m test is a better and healthier alternative than enduring andropause in later years

Interesting.

So are you then saying that roiding is completely safe in those regards? That was my only real concern before beginning to B&C because I was just concerned with not being able to stay on for the rest of my life for whatever reasons it might be ( sources shutting down, laws changing, becoming homeless, etc etc).

always keep pct around so if shit hits the fan you can get off obviously, as long as you do that you are fine

There's no telling. What is safe for me may not be for you.

All m health markers are fine at 500mg test so I can cruise there, but things get fucked when I stay on tren for too long.

I'm also a fairly special case; I have "good genetics" for roiding. I tolerate a lot of hormone well and get practically no sides.

I will say it's a for life commitment because you won't want to come off. There's no reason to hop on if you don't make money off your body, which I do.

True. That's a bigger relief then.

>I will say it's a for life commitment because you won't want to come off

Oh i'm fine with that, I was just concerned that right now I might be fine to blast tren and go crazy but maybe 20 years down the road laws, sources, any number of things can COMPLETELY change.

>There's no reason to hop on if you don't make money off your body, which I do

I want to become superhuman.

Man, you are short, skinny and balding. Also a huge pussy.

The gorgeous girls you are aiming for just aren't in your league. Settle for your own kind or stop whining and crying.

And gosh, stop watching porn. You say that you are a nice and good person, don't you appreciate the same in women? Instead of just pretty face. Having tons of muscle just won't make any difference if your looks and personality isn't appealing on the women you are aiming for.

Pic related, it's OP.

That's a pretty bad reason but I was initially the same. I'd be lying otherwise. My girl thinks it'll kill me and I do sometimes want to come off, but I make good money from looking the way I do and I want to be bigger.

Priorities.

I just want to be bigger than everyone else.

I'm trying to do that in every faucet of my life. I'm trying to get richer than everyone else, I'm trying to get smarter than everyone else.

Unfortunately there is no Tren-equivalent for getting rich or getting smart.

It sounds like you've got some insecurity issues to deal with

Roids alone won't fix them

is it really an issue to want to be the best?

No but judging from that post and others you seem to have some issues

Don't turn into Rich Piana

>No but judging from that post and others you seem to have some issues

Which other posts? I'm not OP btw, I just saw a place to interject my questions and used it.

Get you test levels checked man. You dont necessarily need D-bol and tren to make good gains and have a better mood. 500mg test-e would remedy any deficiency and grant you some nice gains with minimal sides if any.

But ive never cycled anything so I cant say I really know what im talking about.

> what is ice cream
No, but i'd rather do drugs and fuck myself up because i cant gain weight.

Roiding was the best decision I ever made.

Life is just great on test. Don't blast often and take care of diet and cardio. My blood tests have never come back with worrying results.

Maybe I'm just in denail justifying it to myself. But honestly it doesn't feel that way. I've done a hell of a lot of research and spend a lot of time ensuring I'm not putting myself in unnecessary danger, and the benefits FAR outweigh the negatives.

Confidence in each area of life feeds confidence in others and exponentially increases success in each area.

how much do you spend per year?
where do you get it from?

I guess you want to look like this when you get older...

>implying other males of that age look even close to that good.

Not to mention that picture was when he had to be sedentary due to surgery. He looks way better than that nowadays.

If you're balding and 137lbs at 5'8 I think you need a reality check on how attractive you seem to insist you are.

137lbs at 5'8 is full blown concentration camp tier. I'm 5'8 and 174lbs and my bodyfat is reasonable, midway through a long term bulk, probably in the 13-16% range.

And even then, I've got a long way to go. To reach natty potential levels I'd need to be around 190lbs at the same bodyweight.

You're more than 50 fucking pounds lighter and insist you're attractive, it just doesn't add up buddy. You're either skinny fat, or just plain skinny.

Women don't get wet as November for guys like that.

Steroids wont fix all your problems when you haven't even tried to work out in the first place.

Try looking in other places for girls
If fucking is the only thing you think can make you happy go take LSD at a club and fuck a whore

Everything about the way you think is wrong. You are completely inwardly focused, first of all. You don't seem to care about what you can give to other people, only what you can get. You think way too much about how attractive you are or aren't. You are insecure and desperate, and you think you can't live without a girlfriend. Find a purpose and let a girl come along for the ride.

There are a lot of girls in college, but that doesn't mean you can never come into contact with them again. Quit putting so much pressure on yourself because it makes you needy and too scared to talk to girls at all.

Human communication is barely verbal, I guarantee that girls see right through you. You cannot avoid communicating what you are thinking, remember that. You need to think in terms of abundance and not scarcity.

Read some books.