When did you stop believing the "military is fit" meme?

When did you stop believing the "military is fit" meme?

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military is fit
fit doesnt mean built or shredded

military is about functional athletic ability - they want you to have just enough strength to lift your equipment, and then be able to do a ton of fucking cardio with it on your back.

usually the field troops dont have time to lift so the people who stay behind have more time to gym and ultimately get bigger

Strong and fit arent the same. Have u seen what they feed the soldiers? Ive seen fit people get fat from joining

being big or strong is completely useless in modern battle. they train your endurance so you can walk for weeks with shit on your back and do occasional sprints without being exhausted. that's about it for "military fit".

When I joined and saw all they did organized was half-assed crossfit that got people hurt, with no concept of proper recovery, progression, or an actual diet that sustains combat capability.

I got flabby in boot camp because military fitness is a joke. Got my gains back in A-school though.

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You won't be able to 'properly recover' when Muhammad is shooting at you user.

Please elaborate. Do you mean MREs?

He means DIFAC food...it's garbage. And on post, it's either that or fast food for barracks personnel.

Training for maximum capability rarely means training exactly how you would fight due to risk involved. If you get injured in training, you're not gonna fight at all.

The only part of the military that actually gets somewhat strong/ripped from their training is special forces, and thats usually because they're on a shitload of gear and drugs.

Pretty much this yeah

Rah. What MOS

Hooyah actually. Sonar technician submarines.

When i joined i weighed about 120lb. You need to lift your body weight a lot so the leaner you are the better.

Otter mode guys are best suited for military life. 1RMs mean nothing, it's all about being able to run and carry shit around all day long.

Lmao such a HUGE misconception of military personnel.

First of all, the guy in OP's pic is a boot and will most likely remain a dyel manlet for the rest of his life.

Don't get me wrong, though, several troops end up stronger and bigger throughout their enlistment. They just don't all end up like fukkin zyzz brah.

I'm pretty dyel but got laid plenty because bitches would get wet whenever they heard me say the word "Marine"

All women are whores.

Perma bulking until basic then 8 month tech school.

How did you keep your gains?

It's just like the normal world, but there's a bunch of Greek gyms around. Regular Armey physical training is to help keep you at a baseline of fitness, not to make you some superior athlete. You still need to lift regularly just like normal life because only doing physical training will have you look like any other dyel around.

>military fitness is a joke
What does this even mean?

Bar for entry is actually pretty low

What are the standards

Only fit people are combat swimmers and jet pilots.

What are you taking about? Unless you're out there in the shittiest of fobs then nearly every base you'll be on has some form of gym. We all got jacked on our deployments.

You mean you all jacked off each other on deployment.

>militarycuck

You'd join the navy for that.

only spec ops have high standards but its mostly cardio

airforce regular enlisted :

13:30 mile and a half
50 push ups 1 minute
50 sit ups 1 minute

there are points and a minimum, so if you get the bare min run time of 1330 you have to max out pushups/situps at like 70 each to barely pass


or you can run a 9 minute 1.5 miles and do about 30 pushups / 35 sit ups

Why would being a big muscular shredded cunt make you a better soldier? The scariest soldiers are the little unassuming guys that can walk for three days at a time with full gear and still be able to shoot straight. Endurance is far more important than raw strength. The mental aspects are a whole other matter,, but the body of an Olympic lifter of body builder would be ill suited for modern combat.

yup, thanks to guns muscle has diminishing returns for combat usefulness. Back in the days of hand to hand combat more strength meant you could crush/slash/stab harder but these days as long as you can steady a rifle in between bouts of intense cardio you're good for combat. Lots of the more "operator" types get shredded anyways though

Yep, just gotta be "real".

>Tfw have to do my mandatory military service next week or go to jail for 2 years
>Tfw im so scared of losing my gains to insane cardio and low resistance/high rep training

Hearty kek

What country?

Just go to jail and get jacked juse not raped

Estonia

It lasts for 11 months

Thats not that bad i guess

>11 months
I could do that on my head You'll be fine

while i was in...have you seen those navy chiefs? holy fuck...

11 months will destroy my 2 years of work, although I've been very persistent on getting into Valga recruitment camp bc they atleast should have a nice gym there. I dont know how much time Id have to actually go there

You'll be alright, your gains should be ok

Beats jail at least

Damn I even tried to flunk my fucking physical examination by pretending to have all sorts of fucked up knees and lower back. The doc st8 up told me to stop being a pusyy and sent me to the mental examination. Tried my best to act autistic as hell but the examiner thought I was still fit for service.

The fucking NATO general physical test norms are a meme

lol you shouldve drank cough syrup or somethin before the mental examination

At least u tried kek

Worse option would've been to actually be diagnosed as schizophrenic and sent to a mental institution

Why the hell does military still use crunches to measure strenght? Look literally a meme exercise

About the same time I stopped believing the "military can fight" meme

US military is a meme. I saw some of your troops stationed in Ämari, they were mostly overweight and manlets. "But that's airforce for ya". No. The cavalry niggers were also short af and old as shit

> implying I'm a burger

I dont know, most of the standards are outdated and retarded af

Their just unspecialized meatheads. If you saw the standard sniper commandos or delta operator (delta force are the real muscle, they do the dirty work) are kept at I REALLY think you'd eat your words. Delta operators are the direct fighters for executive orders, etc. Marines are also a much higher standard, infantry are plebs. The average US infantry man: 20,000 dollars of gear
Average Chinese soldier: 1,400 USD of equipment
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force

> can't get homophones straight
> calling other people meatheads
That's a pretty rickety glass house you got there.

>His country spends that much on military
>Military that you will never utilize
>Could invest it in socialism and medical insurance
>Both president candidates are retarded
>2 party system (""""""democracy"""""")

I really cant tell if USA is serious or just a meme

No you are retarded

>relying on being a grammar nazi
>not realizing the fallacy of "too much money in military means lack of training".
America #1, trump for president bitches!!!

>socialism
Even when Lennon did it right it was still fucked. Socialism does not work, even "on paper". You know what works? A system built from the ground up, aka a republic. A true republic does not exist at this point, America is a fascist oligarchy. America will rule over the world again soon enough, China will collapse or reach an apex because of its government. A republic should a large group of acedmia's from all fields and parties representing the people, doing group votes. Large group of college educated acedmia's>Sheep with no plan of action.

Seems like I shut up everybody pretty well, huh?

Yeah the bernouts and 'LOL COMMUNISM IS COOL ILL KEEP MY COMFY LIFE AND JUST GET MONEY YAY' people piss me off

>Large group of college educated acedmia's
Seems like a great plan if you want to make sweden look alpha as fuck.

Says the eurofag who gets cuck by muslims and country looks to America for support

No mane only less than 500 niggers in my country. USA never helped us, sold us out at the end of WW2 and broke their word

CTT2 here, sup Navy bro

what you are describing is an aristocracy. the problem starts when the people making decisions start working in their own interest (and they will) because that's how you get an oligarrchy or monarchy

Finn here. If your military is anything like ours, it depends on what you're trained as.

I was a military police for 9 months, lost my gains because of getting ill, not getting enough nourishment (granted this was partially my fault for not buying all that tinned tuna for camping) and lots of cardio and no time for gym.

However, if you're a driver...

Beach volleyball maximum gains.

We had one girl in our DEP who was on her 15 day and couldn't do a single pushup. Fuckin ridiculous, I'd love to see what they do to her at Lackland

tell me why trump build a wall again ?

recon indoc i did for 3rd out in oki a number of years ago

Day 1, Morning.
Tread water for 30 mins. Any signs of panic or fatigue, you're out. Lost a third of the indoc platoon right there.
Swin qaul. 1st class minimum.
More treading water and swimming laps holding a brick.

Day 1, After noon chow. We were told to eat light.
Two back to back PFT's. First had to be 270 or higher, second had to be minimum 225 or so.
Tower jumps and rappeling. Obstacle course runs for time.

Day 1, After evening chow.
Hump, 10 miles or so.

Day 2, Morning.
Mogadishu miles. Shit sucked hard. Jogging pace with full combat gear, all your CIF gear on your back and a SAW.

Day 2, After noon chow. Told to eat light.
Beach run and ocean swim. Ran back to the pool to do flipper shit and small boat shit.

Day 2, Evening.
Grappling. Sucked hard because if you got tired and stopped fighting they'd kick you in the thighs until you started fighting again.

Day 3, Morning.
Another PFT, another swim qual, another hike with weapons. Legs were a world of pain from getting drilled in the thighs the night before during grappling.
Final board screening, stand before 3rd Recon CO, 1st Sgt, Company Gunny and assorted team leaders.

The gaps in time were filled with fuck-fuck games, getting smoked and weapons maintenance.

Only six of us made it. We started with over fifty.

that's because you need the craptons of energy in the field.

When I got in and saw overweight females and dyel males fucking everywhere. Got treated like a god in training, thankfully my shop is full of like-minded Individuals and almost everyone lifts.

When I learned that their PT standards are shit like "50 pushups" "run a 5k in half an hour" "100 crunches in a minute" and other stuff I can do when I'm out of shape.

I'm sure the more hardcore guys like seals or whatever have higher standards though.

military is pretty much being a cardiobunny all day.

I went fully barely ottermode while in the military. If you want aesthetic gains, military is a dumb idea and I don't understand why anybody would see it differently.

Right after MOS/AFSC training.

Great deal of overweight and skinnyfat NCOs and Airmen running around on every base.

Ehhh the biggest pogs are generally the most yoked. Not saying that infantry etc. is small.

t.manlet

Am I the only one that thinks this should be basic infantry training?
Why send 100 soft fuckers over, when you can send 10 combat ready and hardened men to do the job?

boot faggot

The United States fiscal system is a house of cards. Google "petrodollar"

cus this isnt 300

>not wanting the best fighting force the world could provide
>not wanting combat supremacy troops
>thinking everyone has a right to fight for our country
>lacks standards, especially in fitness
>compares modern day warriors to manlets of years ago
Failed b8 m8

hurr fellas lets take 10 men instead of 100

you think dividing ur army force by 10 will save u from the chinese?

if were assuming theres 320million people living in the us and they all joined the army
and only 10% made it
32 million

and now a fucking billion chinese
100million

u think 32billion well trained hardened men could take on a billion fucking chinese

murica didnt even win the vietnam war

Haha, get fucked manlet.
It isn't actually that bad. Depends on where you're going to serve. I did my conscription a couple of years back in Kuperjanov and it's just alot of cardio and mental games.
If you're semi-fit, then you're gouing to make it. The people who were above average in strenght or bodybuilding, had difficulties, because of the cardio or because the training wasn't intense enough. Ottermode is probalby the best.

Anyway, 11 months, so I would recommend getting your C or D license and becoming a driver. I did NCO course and that was just a total let down.

Also, during basic you don't have gym privilege, so you're just stuck with cardio and body weight excercies. After basic you can go to the gym and based on your Battallion/company/platoon, you will either have alot of time to spend there or nothing at all.

my brother is 1-187 11b and i destroy him in everything. but also have a 18a buddy who destroys me in everything.

>inflamed youngster proceeds to protest
1. Mistake, we do not fight in straight lines anymore.
All modern successful military tactics are guerrilla warfare to some degree.
Shock and Awe, Raids, Blitzkrieg, etc.You don't need a fuckton of people for that.

2.Mistake, 1:1 in modern engagements.
You are saying that chinese crap from the 80's is just as good
as modern US military equipment.
It's not. And if we specialize every combat troop instead of fluffing numbers,
The cost of troop upkeep will diminish as
specialized training and equipment goes up.
Imagine every infantry was, at a minimum, trained to Army Ranger qualifications and given
similar equipment.

>Murica didn't win the Vietnam war meme
The Vietnamese died in a ratio of 5:1
We could have stayed and murdered the entire country if we wanted to.
We didn't lose, we left because communism is a lost cause.

damn nigga chill

i was just trying to bait

Don't be embarrassed.

This. I know plenty of skinnyfats who went through basic and did their tours and look like regular people.

Doesn't mean to be shredded, but it does mean to have the stamina and WILLPOWER to endure stupid shit.

People forget that word a lot when it comes to being fit, same deal with quitting a vice. Willpower.

been there for BMT, if she couldn't do a single push up in DEP then there's no way in hell she graduated. you need to pass a bare minimum to graduate.

My brother in law is National Guard and was on track for Rangers (don't know why he stopped) and he has bigger arms now than when he enlisted, but he also does manual labor outside his military shit. Aside from the arms, he looks the same as he did 5 years ago

I'm in the infantry most dudes are DYEL as fuck but can run forever and bang out push ups and sit ups like nothing. That's really all they care about is your pt score. If you wanna get big that's on your own time but we go out to the field for like 4 months out of the year spread throughout the year like we're going to ntc twice this year so that's 2 months of no gym or doing anything really plus random week or 2 week long training

Should i join the canadian reserves? Reserve in general confuses me, You are a a part time soldier? Like you get non of the benefits of being a soldier but you can still be called out?

Well, basically everyone in my family have served in the military, (I probably will too depending on how poorly my career aspirations turn out.) and basically, they just make you run A LOT and do a lot of body weight core exercises for the time you're in boot camp.

If you're kinda fat you will lose weight, stand taller, and have a hollow look in your eye (Like my brother.) after doing LOTS of cardio, but if you go into it reasonably fit it's apparently a joke. Of course, nobody goes into it fit, and the people who are obviously physically capable generally get asked to go into a more difficult track like spec ops unless they're just straight up retarded or something. Obviously that doesn't apply to officers or people who are going to be using technical skills (Like everyone in my family because we're not retarded.). They'll just have a super easy time in general.

So fit means built? Idiot.

STS what a fucking fag. Go play grab ass with all your other sonar turds.

the mental examination is a joke, and you can fuck up future job opportunities if they label you as unstable. Best option is to get as many papers about any issues you might have and bitch about it, after 4-5 examinations they'll let you go cuz it's not worth the trouble.

>Manlet

Im 6'3 niggerlord

Ironically enough it's easiest to get ripped serving on an SSBN (ballistic missile sub) because of how much downtime there is.

Most of my friends who went to basic said they got in worse shape there because it's designed so that Fatty McRetard who somehow got a waiver for his tremendous bodyweight can pass.

FUCK phaggot drivers !

yours truly, HAJJ jääkäri

well my mate went into the military with 74 kilos and now weights around 82kg. before he got into the army, he could barely put size on eventho he lifted like a madcunt and doesn't lift now.

Because war is a numbers game. A bullet kills a fit fucker just as quick as a fat slob. Also 100 guys can occupy an area with a far greater tactical significance than 10 guys can.