Veeky Forums, I hate to ask this but why is getting a girl impossible for some guys ?

Not necessarily girls on average are pretty short you just need to be taller than them

>I suck at making convo's and I've been acting like a douchebag in general
>why can't I get a girl?

It's a mystery, OP.

face

money

being over 6"0

most will be taller with heels on.

Because you believe it's difficult and that you have to do some shit to impress a woman for her to be attracted to you.

Treat her like a human being, not a means to an end, a walking vagina, a trophy, a source of validation for your wounded ego. Just be fucking NORMAL! (REEEEEEEEE)

Most guys try to get women as a source of validation as a person/male. They sense that crap and it majorly turns them off.

If you aren't fun to be around, then they don't want you. Google TRP RED

Well I'm 5'2 that's not much of a bump in height, and my bfs 6' ft tall

FEAR on the guys part

Bumping out of interest
I'm rapidly getting natty Veeky Forums plus Veeky Forumsshionable but my biggest hurdle is being /soc/iable and sometimes I wonder if I'm just perma fucked, like if there is any way out or is this it and no matter what I do game over

Post related scares the shit out of me, 19, never had a girlfriend, never kissed, still a virgin

Unironically this is why I quit WoW, people would look at my achievements and feats of strength (new account) and wouldn't want to play with me.

Same exact situation happens in real life with women.

I've given up and just play single player now (games and life)

>I'm rapidly getting natty Veeky Forums plus Veeky Forumsshionable but my biggest hurdle is being /soc/iable and sometimes I wonder if I'm just perma fucked, like if there is any way out

If you want to get better at socializing and talking to women you have to socialize and talk to women.

It blows my mind how many guys here think their problems are going to be solved by lifting.

If you want to get good at something .... DO THE THING!
Are you going out every friday and saturday night and approaching women? Why the fuck not?

You're still young. Just keep making gains and maintain low body fat and take care of your face and hair

I was in your position, kissless virgin at 19. Now I'm 21 and have been with 3 women, and have a gf. It's not that bad for you desu senpai

normie advice.

You're telling someone who has literally never had experience with females to "just go out bro". Women will literally shit all over him from his inexperience and he'll end up feeling worse.
He can't just obtain 20+ years of experiencing socializing with the opposite sex over-night.

It's literally FACE, FRAME and HEIGHT. Unless you have at least 2/3 of those things you're fucked.

Wait, you're not a depressed helpless faggot trying to study women like a fucking textbook? What are you doing here?

Not OP but
Where do I approach women when I'm 19.
I usually get a girlfriend from my group of friends every once in a while.
Also, live in a small town

No because its summer and all the college students have scattered to the wind
>what about bars and clubs
Cant get in because not 21

I'm in a really shitty age limbo zone

I do all that, still worried
I sure hope so
I've read/ am going to read all of these

how to win friends and influence people, the definitive book of body language, talk language, a billion wicked thoughts

I'm also taking notes on all of them and memorizing the shit out of them

Will any of these even be worth anything or am I throwing eggs at a brick wall socially speaking?

That's a really good analogy.

How else is he going to get experience you numb nuts? He is 19. He has time

To shitpost like everyone else.
Isn't that what everyone does?

Also I don't know if these are good signs or if I am just being autismal for getting my hopes up but twice now I have asked girls for advice with my form on gym machines, I kept in mind the whole they aren't gods thing they are just people, and it just so happens that I really did need advice and they were the closest people so I asked and they helped

Both of them touched me on the arms and shoulders while saying to do X, I can't tell if those are really good signs or if they were just helping or both

Also I really did take their advice and now my form is good

Start small, like chatting 1 on 1 to women at a dog park or something.

Not going straight to the fucking club full of raging normies who will eat OP up like a fucking ant.

>Women will literally shit all over him
So what? "Failure" is just a learning experience. You'll learn more from a night of getting BTFDO by chicks than you will from reading books for a fucking month.

You can read that shit during the week. Weekend is prime time for gaming.

>what about bars and clubs
>Cant get in because not 21

So go to the area where all the bars and clubs are and talk to women on the street. If you live in a shitty town then take the train downtown. Like do you actually want to get better at this shit, or just bitch about it on Veeky Forums? Be honest with yourself. How bad do you want it?

I wanna get better man but I don't think girls are gonna respond very positively if some guy tries tot talk to them on the sidewalk at night time

You're essentially telling OP to apply for Mythic raiding guild for main key raid spot when he isn't even level capped and has never raided before in his life.

If he is ripped enough. Drunk people won't care.
Dog park implys that he has a pet. Give options for a 19 year old.
Overall, good advice. Start small

Anyone?

Because in your mind you are a fucking creep trying to prey on women and take something from them. Your beliefs are ass backwards. You need to believe you're a valuable guy, than women WANT to talk to you, that you bring value and fun to your interactions, that you will make their night BETTER. Fix your fucking beliefs brother. And get out there and fucking pound the pavement.

Here's my advice from a guys who recently got into a relationship 9 months or so ago...

Be interesting. Go out and do things and explore your passions and begin invest in them. Girls/Women like a man who has gone places/done things. For me, it was as simple as being into hiking and having traveled to a lot of nearby locations.

Don't be desperate/overbearing. Nothing is more of a turnoff to a woman than a man who is trying to move too fast(unless its obvious you're just gonna hook-up...). It's OK to miss "signals" and what not but try not to be a TOTAL goober.

Being attractive helps a lot obviously but don't think you're out of the race because you don't have a chiseled jaw. A lot of woman are WAY more insecure than men.

And lastly, don't be afraid to take a chance. When I was in the late teens/early 20's(24 now) I missed A LOT of opportunities because I was too afraid of rejection.

How come no one has recommended SimplePickup on YT?

Great stuff imo

Not OP but would like advice for this I'm in a dry spell for about a month and I want to change that

I'm telling OP to go to his raid even though he's in greens and blues. He'll probably fuck up and wipe the raid a few times but if they see he's putting in a legitimate effort and has a good attitude they'll toss a few epics his way, and he'll be more prepared for the next raid and the next and the next until he's up there, toe to toe with the big boys.

Stop giving good advice, faggot. We'd rather listen to WoW references than practical tips.

OP just listen to this advice. You'll improve way better than complaining or reading a book.

>Don't be desperate/overbearing. Nothing is more of a turnoff to a woman than a man who is trying to move too fast(unless its obvious you're just gonna hook-up...). It's OK to miss "signals" and what not but try not to be a TOTAL goober.

That's something I think about sometimes, I know I'm not perfect with my interactions, I know occasionally a little bit of marinara sauce leaks out and I always wonder if that alone fucks me

Like will girls overlook it if you do everything else right or is that it your done? '

My general plan to make it is to keep doing the Veeky Forums Veeky Forums /soc/ shit and once the semester starts join a bunch of clubs and rush a bunch of frats

If I could get into a frat I'm basically guaranteed to make it socially and girl wise

If I don't then I dont know

I dunno man. Small town is tough. You can't even try different tactics because everyone knows each other I'd imagine. Can you take a train or bus into the downtown for the weekend?
Malls are OK. Festivals and other day events are ok. Street game on friday/saturday night is pretty good. I actually really like the street because I don't drink when I game and hate paying cover for clubs.

Stop making /fit a more non-normie place. It's the only normie place on Veeky Forums

I wish I knew some guys like you and the others ITT but in real life so that I could have some guidance and shit

Instead I'm totally on my own lone wolf style
I think the frat guys would be that for me but they are so fucking hard to impress

Social gains are like physical gains.

You aren't going to walk into the gym for the first time and rep 2pl8 on bench. You have to start small and work hard. You need to be consistent with your training and have a good diet. Just like you aren't going to walk into a bar and start picking up 8/10s if you have never held hands with a girl before.

Start small. Go to a cafe and chat with the waitress or waiter while they take your order, smile at people as you go about your day, or give someone a compliment.

wow dude that sucks. once you turn 21 things will get way easier. are you in college now? talk to girls. ask them about homework and whatnot. i remember asking a girl for help on a problem and she not only asked my name but also emailed me asking to pick up papers for her. girls are just as thirsty as dudes. give them opportunities to hit you up and you'll be fine. don't pursue it, just put it out there so they can.

as for when you're 21 its gonna be great. literally one offhand comment about how the DJ is dope to some random chick and boom you're gonna fuck that girl. they eat that shit up. "Yo this DJ is dope, huh?" works every time. bars are a similar story. don't try that fucking "can I buy you a drink cuz I'm a beta and can only demonstrate value by showing you I have money and am incapable of unique thought." it doesn't work. sit next to her, buy yourself a drink. look around and comment on the age of the crowd "young crowd, huh?" works every fucking time. lounges and higher end bars are a fucking joke. as a 21 year old (assuming you have the money to post up in one of these places) you will be like fucking royalty. every dude there will be 40+ and those 25-30yr old women will be on the prowl. catch their eye. they will come over, no doubt. works every fucking time.

lifes gonna be sweet, man. just fucking kill it.

It's a good sign that they're touching you, but don't go all autismo and bring them the painting you made of them. Just keep doing what you're doing and racking up these minor victories. Then when you feel it's right ask a girl if she's single. If she makes a weird face or tells you she has a bf abort the mission, but if she tells you she's single and gives a cheeky smile you're in like flynn.

>If I could get into a frat I'm basically guaranteed to make it socially and girl wise

I think you're thinking about it wrong dude. Do you want to weasel your way into a situation where you will be able to latch onto scraps of pussy by luck, or do you legitimately want to improve your social skills and skills with women? Really think about it. If you focus on the process and practice then you will set yourself up for lifelong success. If you are just looking to get into a situation where you will get lucky then you are going to stay the same needy guy.

Use social media like every socially retarded fucker, this shit is so common girls will almost think you are a fucking weirdo if you talk to them in a bar instead of on instagram or tinder

I want the 2nd one but I feel like getting into a frat would make the 2nd one so much easier because I'd be surrounded by guys who live breath and eat it

Plus they could help me and shit

Thanks for the advice.
Trains are going to a major city which is 2 hours
All of the buses end at 6pm on weekends and weekdays 10:30pm
Festivals and events only happen every 3-4 months.
Only thing to do in my town is to go to mall, get invited to house party and eat at restaurants (highest obesity rate because of it, at least we get tested for new food products by chain stores, taco bell captain crunch donut hole)
I'll probably just keep expanding my group of friends until college starts again.
Where do I pick up at malls though, not used to it.
Being on a dry spell sucks

Listen to this guy, he's not bullshitting you. Add in that people with the right inborn gifts (genetics or predisposition to enjoy the process or whatever) are at a natural advantage, and if you let that put you off from trying then you deserve to fail anyway. "Boo hoo, that guy's genetics help him get gains faster than me, so rather than being the best I can be I'll just stay home and get fat." Take what you have and make it better.

When's the next Life expansion pack coming out so that I can get on everyone's level? ;_;

Anyone else?

What do I say to him I talk to them?

Some guys don't try enough. Me for example.

>Will any of these even be worth anything or am I throwing eggs at a brick wall socially speaking?
It's like learning a foreign language, you can sit and learn grammar and vocab all you want but the only way to make solid progress is to SPEAK to people in that language.

Women are just human beings, I used to be super awkward around almost everyone because I was kind of a sheltered kid, my mum and dad would do literally everything for me and basically talk for me on my behalf at restaurants the the like. It wasn't until I went to college that I was forced to act like a normal(not normie) human being and interact with people.

Ultimately, in order to speak to people(including grills) all you need is confidence, and the knowledge that they're not waiting for you to fuck up. They're just interacting with you in the same way that you might do with anyone else.

Just be casual and say "Hi' next time you see either of them and just say "I'm XXXX by the way, I didn't get a chance to introduce myself(if you haven't done this already". If you have, just say Hi and strike up a small conversation(Holiday weekend, etc...) and try and gauge their reaction/body language.

If they keep talking to you and are actively trying to keep the conversation going, that's a good sign. If not, just say "Thanks again, have a nice workout" and just move on.

Key is not to come off as desperate.

>I suck at making convo's and I've been acting like a douchebag in general, because nobody likes nice guys

You're a fucking tool mate. All the girls can probably smell your autism and see how much of a dumb fucking poser you are.

Literally kill yourself.

OP, desire cannot be negotiated. Read this: therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/

therationalmale.com/2011/08/23/schedules-of-mating/

you have been lied to about women your entire life

tfw I havent seen them sine or if I have I haven recognized them

Also I was asking about the whole "what does it mean that they touched my arms and shoulders" thing

not him but fuck off your not helping

Same here OP. I don't understand the missing link that makes certain guys get the girls

Oh sorry. Don't think TOO much about the touching. It likely means they're comfortable around you(good sign). If I were you I would say afterwards the whole "hey I didn't get a chance to introduce myself yada yada..." and see how it goes.

Keep it casual.

Maybe you are just ugly.

Your face makes up literally 80% if not more of attraction.
And you are judged in the first 20 seconds someone sees you.

If you never had many girls show interest in you, you probably are ugly.

You have to put yourself out there constantly. Learned that recently, some friends will go out of their way to talk to girls, any girl they find attractive. They get laid more than I do even though they look like shit, because eventually someone will say yes. Even if they have to look like creeps to 99 girls, 1 in 100 wont walk away disgusted.

However hard you think getting laid will be, that's how hard it will be. Fear is your main enemy; it will cause you to drop spaghetti or (worse yet) do nothing.

Apart from practice, using social media, dressing yourself well and generally not being autistic, you must simply get used to it. Then you will relax and women will actually see you for who you are, instead of some nerd attempting a fake ass pickup act. Take heart though, because you have several factors in your favor that are easy to forget:

- Women don't place as much emphasis on looks as you do. She isn't thinking of you as "x out of 10" like you are with her. She's basically deciding if she "likes" you, which is based on tons of factors, which do include your looks, but none of these factors are make-or-break unless she's a total bitch. So whatever your weakness, you can work around it.

- There are lots of women in the world, even in smaller towns, and if even a small fraction would like you if they got to know you, you'll get more pussy than you can handle. Numbers are in your favor, IF you make a large number of attempts.

- Women are looking for dick too, as has been pointed out. But in a sense they're even more incompetent at doing so than we are - because they take a passive role and wait for you to come to them (which is sort of what permavirgin men tend to do - wait and see what comes their way, instead of acting). Keep this knowledge in mind: women have basically zero game, and they're just hoping they'll get attention. Give them some.

- Conversation is not that hard to make. It seems like its hard to talk to girls because you're nervous and you think you have to say the right thing. But you don't, you just have to be friendly and responsive. Just talk to her like she's an old friend and you have no interest in fucking, and you'll find the conversation comes easily.

Good Luck.

money

money

money

You attract girls by being better than their father. That's it.

>dressing yourself well
Question on this. I'm about to come into some excess school money, and was thinking about using some of it to buy some new clothes. However, I'd hate to buy new clothes only to have them not fit by next year when I have more gainz to show.

Should I hold off until later (I should be getting the same amount of money next semester and next year) or will I not put on enough mass in a year's time for it to matter?

this is the correct answer
the red pill theory

honestly man, you just have to unashamedly be yourself. don't put on any sort of act. dont use canned lines. just be yourself for yourself and that will create attraction. be down to earth. be a little weird, but confident about it. not fucking creepy weird. be self-deprecating, insightful, funny, and genuine.

get Veeky Forums and dress well and be this cool, genuine person. you don't have to be a douche. dont be a beta nice guy throwing out compliments and rushing to help girls in any way you can. but you can be nice to an extent. some playful teasing is cool. standing up for your beliefs, especially when she disagrees is also cool. just dont be a dick about it.

i dunno, thats what the last 8 years have taught me and i've gone from considering the possibility of dying a virgin to fucking numerous broads.

What if yourself is a neckbeard nasty faggot?

Just because some obese guys get gfs doesn't mean they all do, I know tons of fat guys who are permasingle. They just never go outside though so you don't notice how many of them there are

>They just never go outside though so you don't notice how many of them there are

basically this

theres literally millions of shut-in men, everytime i go out its like 30% men, 70% women.

asocial neckbeard with no hygiene/ambition/drive for life is a symptom of a mental illness.

it's something you fall into bruh.

At school or whatever you at just greet most of the dudes around you every day. "How are you" and what not or just short shit like sup or hi. Sooner or later one or two dude will make small talk and shit. And sooner or later you will meet a bro. Leech friends off your bro. Most likely your bro will have friend similar to him so you should bond quite easily. If your bro have female friend hang out with her more and shit. If no female then make bros with in the group and leech friend of him. Repeat bro leech till you get gf. Or repeat the whole thing from the beginning to make new group of friends. If you repeat enough of those you may have enough experience to go meet girls by your self and no longer leech friends off your bro. Good luck !

Stop "acting" and just be a genuine person.

Even if you manage to pull while being a phony piece of shit (see: PUA bullshit) all you'll pull is another broken person who defines their worth by getting fucked.

Excellent analogy

Made me very depressed

>people STILL think it's about money

I hate this meme so fucking much.

There's goldiggers out there. You don't want them. Women just expect you to have your basic shit together. It's like being at a strip club and getting fake love, if that's what you think it is that's what you'll get.

There's an algorithm to it. I've seen a lot of deadbeats get really good hook ups, so it can't be money.

except the analogy fails to point out the majority of people are shit at relationships.

like the majority of raiders are shit at the game, have no understanding, and are quickly gkicked.

there's little difference between someone who has been in a relationship and somebody who has not been in a relationship.

just masturbate yourself to a high enough level that you can solo the old raids. You get things in the wrong order, but at least you get them :^)

It has to do with resisting the natural expression of your emotions and personality. Some of the biggest phonies are shut ins because they rationalize everything and live life by beliefs and mind, instead of feeling and heart.

>tfw a girl likes you

>last time a girl liked me was in middle school
>I'm 19

How fucked am I?

>I've been acting like a douchebag in general, because nobody likes nice guys (especially not girls).

You unbelievable retard. Girls like muscular rich douchebags because they're rich and/or muscular, DESPITE being douchebags, not because they're douchebags.

So you've been miserable, dyel AND a douchebag and you still wonder why nobody likes you.

>not because they're douchebags.
No because douchebags are confident

Avg height of gril is like 5'8" or something. Maybe more. If you're not perceptably taller then you're fucked.

Like 5'11 ???

Last time a girl liked me was....
n-never(mind)

well... here goes nothing.

what you are doing right now is overthinking it. I know that this is what we generally do, I am just giving the cancer a name. it is a good sign that you weren't too repulsive for them to touch you, but they probably didn't get all wet from getting asked about proper form and were just helping. the problem is that you are so caught up in "I can't talk to wimmin halp" that you overthink the simplest interaction with females.

I have to agree with the majority of sensible posts in the thread that the desperation kissless virgins reek of is their true problem. it acts as a blockade on their mind to function properly so they enter manual walking mode every time they see an even remotely attractive female human. it also makes them needy on every level: they need validation, they need intimacy, guidance, etc. even if you manage to contain the spaghetti, women (and men for that matter) smell that shit. men won't care as much, simply because you are no threat to them and still treat you okay if you are somehow useful or a nice person in general. women have no reason - literally zero reason - to waste even a second with people acting that way. I can try and elaborate or attempt to word a way out of the dilemma, but this would be my analysis to both the guy I responded to and OP.

At least you still have Maki.

ive acted like that and gotten girls, and then lost girls just as quickly cause of that.

what i learned is to be somewhere in the middle, not really an asshole, not really a pushover, just a friendly dude who likes to have fun and tease girls and friends lightheartedly.

aka normal

the greatest part is i dont have to wake up and pretend to be anyone, who i am comes naturally and effortlessly, like it should and can be for everyone else.

Go partying or clubbing. That's how I do it.

Like every single other weeb who watched Love Live

Exactly.

60% game
20% gainz
20% money