>tfw you decide to look into Roger Scruton after seeing him constantly being used as a source to back up Peterson's (mis)reading of PoMo, and you learn that he is known for Traditionalist Conservatism, and writing articles in favor of smoking, without disclosing that he was on a £50k annual salary from JTI the tobacco company You really can't make this shit up.
Post favorite fuck ups from Peterson and his drones ITT
>In the essay, "Sexual morality and the liberal consensus" (1989), Scruton argues that homosexuality is a perversion because the body of the homosexual's lover belongs to the same category as his own. Scruton argued further that gays have no children and consequently no interest in creating a socially stable future. He therefore considered it justified to "instil in our children feelings of revulsion" towards homosexuality
Dylan King
>Clean your room >Beware the heretic, the unclean, the postmarxomaterialists >there is 60 minutes in an hour >don't eat at Mcdonalds everyday That'd be 20 dollars, donate to my pathreon
Ryder Ward
what are you, a communist?
Ryder Ramirez
OP said to post his fuck ups
Austin Russell
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Hudson Thomas
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Matthew Taylor
JP is a boomer whose departure from this world with his retarded boomer ideologies is long-overdue.
Nolan Brown
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Aiden Reyes
Scruton changed his mind on homosexuality IIRC
Robert Lewis
thats a good bucko
Brayden Parker
got a source for that also i post this in every peterson thread but nobody ever gives me a (you): his name is petey pete he's the king of the rhumba beat
Samuel Bell
what I think you do
Brandon Anderson
play the 2nd best MW game?
Charles Sanders
I know, but still writing garbage like that should be indefensible. That he was knighted is a fucking travesty.
Jaxon Baker
Wikipedia. Like hints at, I cherry picked the quote in , as it does say he later retracted it.
Anthony Carter
Implying the Petersonfags are not the fedoras.
Caleb Morris
Go cry about it on tumblr
Xavier Lewis
what we must do is to get these centrist-cucks to our side
Jonathan Wilson
>be Jordan Peterson >raise children to be depressed >gets his daughter pills before shes turned double figures >somehow a bunch of latch onto him as he's somehow supposed to help them
Evan Campbell
support freedom of speech have a neat and tidy room
Sebastian Bailey
But they hate us commies because somehow they think socialism is worse than fascism, it's going to be a difficult task.
Owen Murphy
if communists denounce the SJW movement then they're basically halfway to getting petey pete's audience already basically just be nazbol
Nathan Evans
when he plays his maracas he goes chick-chicky-boom chick-chicky-boom
Grayson Robinson
>clean your room truly one of the modern intellectual juggernauts
Jonathan Morris
Some of us do, to a degree. I believe in freedom from oppression, but not completely in the direction it's headed.
Gabriel Turner
spooky
Elijah Barnes
>peterson refers to thing X person Y said >person Y also said thing Z >peterson btfo! why do people act as if this makes any sense?
Gavin Gray
scary
Hunter Allen
It's not anything to do with what Peterson said per se, but when these are the people used to defend his ramblings, it does say something
Ethan Martinez
>but when these are the people used to defend his ramblings, it does say something how exactly does it say something and what exactly is it saying? people can disagree with each other on most things but if someone says something that I agree with I'll refer to them to support my positions. that isn't somehow a bad thing
Jose Ward
idiot
Nathan Diaz
>its a "leftypol shitposting thread" episode
Lucas Campbell
Peter Scruton is a conservative loony with all the style of a hash brown, yet he's the go-to guy to defend Peterson's unsubstantiated claims.
My point is, why are there not masses of more credible philosophers standing up for Peterson's readings?
Of course you can cite whoever you want to back up your claims, and just as obviously I am going to judge the credentials of the source in my valuation of it.
Bentley Cruz
>muh opreshun!
Christian Cruz
source? Big if turd
Samuel Green
I would make an exception for you
Evan Williams
not really, its just a cheap cop out because you have no argument against what he actually said.
Nicholas Young
>Peter Scruton is a conservative loony with all the style of a hash brown, yet he's the go-to guy to defend Peterson's unsubstantiated claims. you're repeating the same thing I first said. why does what he has said about other topics matter in a discussion about what he has said about the thing peterson is referring to him about? his conservatism has nothing to do with what he has said about pomo. and calling his claims unsubstantiated is silly in a discussion about who peterson is using to substantiate his claims. you haven't pointed out anything what what he said about pomo, just called what he said about conservatism loony. >My point is, why are there not masses of more credible philosophers standing up for Peterson's readings? who knows, but whether or not its a good reading has nothing to do with how many people are saying it >I am going to judge the credentials of the source in my valuation of it. why judge who says it over what is said? it seems like you haven't even moved to assessing what he says and have been stuck on who it is that is saying it
or the op post was just vague. it says to discuss peterson fuck ups and that scruton was used as a source to back up his readings. if op was trying to say that other people were using him as a source then he wasn't being clear
Gabriel Walker
Could you explain where the arguments used by Scruton that Peterson used are wrong? Or is it the case that because you dislike Scruton everything he ever said is wrong?
Asher Bennett
apparently peterson never used arguments by scruton according to op was jut vague and meant to be bashing peterson fans for using scruton's arguments
Jeremiah Evans
>Or is it the case that because you dislike Scruton everything he ever said is wrong? It's this one
Caleb Butler
Anyone link his debate with Sam Harris fo me? I only seem to find reactions of it on youtube
Easton Allen
Wait isn't he right? What reason do gays have to ensure a good society when they will have nothing to pass that society on to?
Jack Johnson
Ethics?
Matthew Cooper
All fucking "youtube intellectuals" need to stop immediately.
Angel Richardson
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Camden Bennett
>denounce SJWs in favor of right-wing SJWs
Why not just denounce both?
John Thompson
how many kids u got bruv
Charles Evans
There is literally nothing wrong with smoking nor does that have anything to do with based Scruton
Ian Baker
If you had read the thread before chimping out you would have caught on and not made an idiot of yourself.
The Scruton quote in question: >"On Postmodernism," by Roger Scruton "There are philosophers who have repudiated the goal of truth -- Nietzsche, for example, who argued that there are no truths, only interpretations. But you need only ask yourself whether what Nietzsche says is true, to realize how paradoxical it is. (If it is true, then it is false! -- an instance of the so-called 'liar' paradox.) Likewise, the French philosopher Michel Foucault repeatedly argues as though the 'truth' of an epoch has no authority outside of the power-structure that endorses it. There is no trans-historical truth about the human condition. But again, we should ask ourselves whether that last statement is true: for if it is true, it is false. There has arisen among modernist philosophers a certain paradoxism which has served to put them out of communication with those of their contemporaries who are merely modern. A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is "merely relative," is asking you not to believe him. So don't. -- Roger Scruton, Modern Philosophy: An Introduction and Survey (Penguin Press, 1995), pp. 5-6.
Pls tell me what trans-historical truth you Modernists ascribe to?
Brody Sanchez
I actually agree. There's no real reason to care about what happens after you die unless you have kids. I sure as fuck don't care, i'm not even gay i just don't want to breed.
Brody Rogers
I don't want to breed either (and me and the gf has had an abortion because neither of us wanted to), but I still try hard to make the world a better place by volunteering for the Red Cross and being involved in local politics. You don't need spawn of your own or plans for it, to want to leave the world a better place than you found it.
Cameron Morgan
Why?
Adam Ward
Because I feel sorry for the human race, and want to alleviate its suffering. Of course also the reason why I'm a socialist.
Aaron Robinson
Reminder that literally the only reason /leftypol/ cares about Jordan Peterson is because /pol/ likes him. Imagine being so obsessed with /pol/ that your worldview is essentially "I'm for whatever I think /pol/ isn't".
inb4 asshurt /leftypol/ faggots, go start another thread about how much superior you are to /pol/ and/or the alt-right you obsessed liberals
David Carter
>thinking that a father has control over daughter depression >thinking that society pushing women out of the home isn't making them depressed >thinking that women in their best child bearing years should be earning meaningless degrees and whoring around
Benjamin Brooks
/pol/ doesn't like him anymore, grandpa. Ever since he denounced the alt-right as dangerous ideologues they have turned on him.
Chase Kelly
/pol doesn't like Peterson because he isn't racist
Carson Young
He is, he just doesn't dare to condone acting out on it
Luke Williams
Regardless the only reason he's brought up here is because of his relationship with /pol/ (however brief).
Ryder King
It's not
Brody Edwards
Fuck Peterson. She should quit her teaching job and live off her Patreon money if she had any decency. How her university hasn't told her to sort herself out or find a new job I don't understand.
Hunter Lopez
Empathy?
Cameron Gomez
Reminds me of /pol/s relationship with SJWs
Blake Carter
Peterson is ok I guess, the problem are his fanboys, telling them to clean their rooms is fitting
Cameron Phillips
A few grammatical errors in that post, user, but its quite all right. Certainly nothing to get worked up over, like the transdoshans sometimes do. Have a wonderful day!
Parker Russell
I've seen people on /pol/ be in favor of abolishing net neutrality literally only because it's the opposite of what reddit wants
Jackson Cooper
>both extremes are dumb Who'da thunk it
Isaiah Turner
>be anti-postmod youtube man >go full postmod in your first debate, redefining truth in a way that suits your religious views
The only good thing Sam Harris did in years was host that debate, so I could see how bat Peterson is.
Asher Sullivan
>>>/reddit/
James Torres
But he's right.
Justin Butler
I want leftypol to leave
Logan Martin
Wait, here I was hasty He's partially right, because he thinks we should instill in children feelings of disgust towards homosexuals. There's no need to do that, it comes naturally to everyone, even homophilic men, you just need to stop indoctrinating them that it's ok, even great, to be gay.
Mason Watson
May i direct you tumblr good sir, with you and the rest of your 52 memegenders?
Cooper Lopez
No.
*tips beret*
Adam Watson
*dodges*
Caleb Ramirez
Daddy!
Easton Thomas
>>you learn that he is known for Traditionalist Conservatism, and writing articles in favor of smoking, without disclosing that he was on a £50k annual salary from JTI the tobacco company What a meanie weenie.
Hudson Davis
I checked there Reddit page the other day, it was full of white nationalist propaganda. There was even some MAGA fags at a Peterson Q&A asking why "theleftcantmemeXD".
Nathan Adams
>/leftypol/ cares about Jordan Peterson is because /pol/ likes him.
David Smith
i just can't comprehend how this guy is actually seen as modern philosopher by some. all he can do is talk about psychology (which, granted he is definitely better at) and repeat philosophers that fundamentally disagree with him. i can't manage to think of a single original thing he's come up with.
Chase Diaz
G-guys my bedroom isn't clean, should I be worried?
White nationalist propaganda!!!!! OMG shut it down, can't have any of that evil stuff anywhere, ant it definitely represents Peterson 100%
Tyler Fisher
Peter, Roger, James, something. I couldn't be fucked to google him again.
Yes, I think he's a disingenious reactionary who should have retired 50 years ago.
Asher Cook
while /pol/ has recently started hating him because he came out and shat on the alt-right, the user is still right that the only reason leftypol hates Peterson is because of contrarianism. Im willing to bet most who hate him have never read anything he has written or listened to any of his lectures
Ethan Taylor
And you have a single fact to back them up?
John Ross
I hate him because he's an intellectually dishonest cunt and his followers the absolute worst kind of people. Of course identity politics can be cancer, and I understand from psychologist friends that what he writes about Jung is somewhat interesting.
That doesn't mean I'm going to jump aboard his pandering shit train.
Carter Russell
I have never read/watched anything by him, but doesn't he usually give nice, wholesome advice? Clean your room, eat your veggies, study hard, etc. Why the hate?
Robert Bailey
to be fair his fanbase actually benefits from hearing those messages